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| 01 May 2008 06:02:56 |
| Barry Porch |
| red tip |
Has anyone ever put a red tip on there pellet gun to get around all that paper work? I just went to try to register and it's 62.50 just for fingerprints. I never shoot in town or for that matter where anyone would see me. I have a |
| 01 May 2008 14:15:48 |
| ray |
| Re: red tip |
On Thu, 01 May 2008 06:02:56 +0000, Barry Porch wrote: > Has anyone ever put a red tip on there pellet gun to get around all that > paper work? I just went to try to register and it's 62.50 just for > fingerprints. I never shoot in town or for that matter where anyone > would see me. I have a I don't understand whereof you speak. I would assume you are not in the U.S.? Perhaps you could explain a little. thanks |
| 01 May 2008 14:24:04 |
| Bert Hyman |
| Re: red tip |
ray@zianet.com (ray) wrote in news:67u1kjF2q6bscU3@mid.individual.net: > On Thu, 01 May 2008 06:02:56 +0000, Barry Porch wrote: > >> Has anyone ever put a red tip on there pellet gun to get around all >> that paper work? I just went to try to register and it's 62.50 >> just for fingerprints. I never shoot in town or for that matter >> where anyone would see me. I have a > > I don't understand whereof you speak. I would assume you are not in > the U.S.? He's apparently in New Jersey, which is just as bad. > Perhaps you could explain a little. -- Bert Hyman | St. Paul, MN | bert@iphouse.com |
| 01 May 2008 15:59:43 |
| ray |
| Re: red tip |
On Thu, 01 May 2008 14:24:04 +0000, Bert Hyman wrote: > ray@zianet.com (ray) wrote in news:67u1kjF2q6bscU3@mid.individual.net: > >> On Thu, 01 May 2008 06:02:56 +0000, Barry Porch wrote: >> >>> Has anyone ever put a red tip on there pellet gun to get around all >>> that paper work? I just went to try to register and it's 62.50 just >>> for fingerprints. I never shoot in town or for that matter where >>> anyone would see me. I have a >> >> I don't understand whereof you speak. I would assume you are not in the >> U.S.? > > He's apparently in New Jersey, which is just as bad. > >> Perhaps you could explain a little. Please forgive my ignorance, but that still doesn't tell me what a 'red tip' is or what it does - I'm curious. |
| 01 May 2008 16:53:37 |
| Bert Hyman |
| Re: red tip |
ray@zianet.com (ray) wrote in news:67u7neF2p6k7tU1@mid.individual.net: > On Thu, 01 May 2008 14:24:04 +0000, Bert Hyman wrote: > >> ray@zianet.com (ray) wrote in >> news:67u1kjF2q6bscU3@mid.individual.net: >> >>> On Thu, 01 May 2008 06:02:56 +0000, Barry Porch wrote: >>> >>>> Has anyone ever put a red tip on there pellet gun to get around >>>> all that paper work? I just went to try to register and it's >>>> 62.50 just for fingerprints. I never shoot in town or for that >>>> matter where anyone would see me. I have a >>> >>> I don't understand whereof you speak. I would assume you are not >>> in the U.S.? >> >> He's apparently in New Jersey, which is just as bad. >> >>> Perhaps you could explain a little. > > Please forgive my ignorance, but that still doesn't tell me what a > 'red tip' is or what it does - I'm curious. New Jersey requires a permit to buy and own air guns, and the OP was complaining about the process and its costs. Presuamably, he's thinking that by making his pellet gun look like a toy, he can somehow avoid this. -- Bert Hyman | St. Paul, MN | bert@iphouse.com |
| 01 May 2008 18:41:04 |
| ray |
| Re: red tip |
On Thu, 01 May 2008 16:53:37 +0000, Bert Hyman wrote: > ray@zianet.com (ray) wrote in news:67u7neF2p6k7tU1@mid.individual.net: > >> On Thu, 01 May 2008 14:24:04 +0000, Bert Hyman wrote: >> >>> ray@zianet.com (ray) wrote in >>> news:67u1kjF2q6bscU3@mid.individual.net: >>> >>>> On Thu, 01 May 2008 06:02:56 +0000, Barry Porch wrote: >>>> >>>>> Has anyone ever put a red tip on there pellet gun to get around all >>>>> that paper work? I just went to try to register and it's 62.50 just >>>>> for fingerprints. I never shoot in town or for that matter where >>>>> anyone would see me. I have a >>>> >>>> I don't understand whereof you speak. I would assume you are not in >>>> the U.S.? >>> >>> He's apparently in New Jersey, which is just as bad. >>> >>>> Perhaps you could explain a little. >> >> Please forgive my ignorance, but that still doesn't tell me what a 'red >> tip' is or what it does - I'm curious. > > New Jersey requires a permit to buy and own air guns, and the OP was > complaining about the process and its costs. > > Presuamably, he's thinking that by making his pellet gun look like a > toy, he can somehow avoid this. I see - thanks for the info. |
| 01 May 2008 15:17:45 |
| Ernie Willson |
| Re: red tip |
Here in the police state of NJ we need a firearms ID card to be out with an air gun or BB gun. These are considered firearm under NJ law. The state cannot make NJ citizens register their long guns, so for harassment we get a requirement for a Firearms ID card. The card is free but the fingerprinting etc costs in excess of $60.00. Under the law you are required to be granted your card in (IIRC) thirty days if nothing bad turns up in your background check. That fact notwithstanding, getting a card usually takes at least six months. The card lets you have a firearm (long gun) in your possession when you are out and about with proper reason. I once saw a guy indicted (in NJ) for having an empty Daisy Red Rider BB gun locked in his auto trunk. He didn't have a Firearms ID card. BB pistols and pellet pistols are considered identically to "real" pistols in NJ law. Possession a pistol when out and about in NJ requires a permit to carry (even for a BB pistol). EJ in NJ ray wrote: > On Thu, 01 May 2008 16:53:37 +0000, Bert Hyman wrote: > >> ray@zianet.com (ray) wrote in news:67u7neF2p6k7tU1@mid.individual.net: >> >>> On Thu, 01 May 2008 14:24:04 +0000, Bert Hyman wrote: >>> >>>> ray@zianet.com (ray) wrote in >>>> news:67u1kjF2q6bscU3@mid.individual.net: >>>> >>>>> On Thu, 01 May 2008 06:02:56 +0000, Barry Porch wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Has anyone ever put a red tip on there pellet gun to get around all >>>>>> that paper work? I just went to try to register and it's 62.50 just >>>>>> for fingerprints. I never shoot in town or for that matter where >>>>>> anyone would see me. I have a >>>>> I don't understand whereof you speak. I would assume you are not in >>>>> the U.S.? >>>> He's apparently in New Jersey, which is just as bad. >>>> >>>>> Perhaps you could explain a little. >>> Please forgive my ignorance, but that still doesn't tell me what a 'red >>> tip' is or what it does - I'm curious. >> New Jersey requires a permit to buy and own air guns, and the OP was >> complaining about the process and its costs. >> >> Presuamably, he's thinking that by making his pellet gun look like a >> toy, he can somehow avoid this. > > I see - thanks for the info. |
| 01 May 2008 21:56:26 |
| ray |
| Re: red tip |
On Thu, 01 May 2008 15:17:45 -0400, Ernie Willson wrote: > Here in the police state of NJ we need a firearms ID card to be out with > an air gun or BB gun. These are considered firearm under NJ law. The > state cannot make NJ citizens register their long guns, so for > harassment we get a requirement for a Firearms ID card. The card is free > but the fingerprinting etc costs in excess of $60.00. Under the law you > are required to be granted your card in (IIRC) thirty days if nothing > bad turns up in your background check. That fact notwithstanding, > getting a card usually takes at least six months. The card lets you have > a firearm (long gun) in your possession when you are out and about with > proper reason. > > I once saw a guy indicted (in NJ) for having an empty Daisy Red Rider BB > gun locked in his auto trunk. He didn't have a Firearms ID card. > > BB pistols and pellet pistols are considered identically to "real" > pistols in NJ law. Possession a pistol when out and about in NJ requires > a permit to carry (even for a BB pistol). > > > EJ in NJ Thanks for the explanation - I had no idea. BTW - I'm in Idaho and have spent my entire life in the west except the time I was in the Navy during Vietnam. > > ray wrote: >> On Thu, 01 May 2008 16:53:37 +0000, Bert Hyman wrote: >> >>> ray@zianet.com (ray) wrote in news:67u7neF2p6k7tU1@mid.individual.net: >>> >>>> On Thu, 01 May 2008 14:24:04 +0000, Bert Hyman wrote: >>>> >>>>> ray@zianet.com (ray) wrote in >>>>> news:67u1kjF2q6bscU3@mid.individual.net: >>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, 01 May 2008 06:02:56 +0000, Barry Porch wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Has anyone ever put a red tip on there pellet gun to get around >>>>>>> all that paper work? I just went to try to register and it's >>>>>>> 62.50 just for fingerprints. I never shoot in town or for that >>>>>>> matter where anyone would see me. I have a >>>>>> I don't understand whereof you speak. I would assume you are not in >>>>>> the U.S.? >>>>> He's apparently in New Jersey, which is just as bad. >>>>> >>>>>> Perhaps you could explain a little. >>>> Please forgive my ignorance, but that still doesn't tell me what a >>>> 'red tip' is or what it does - I'm curious. >>> New Jersey requires a permit to buy and own air guns, and the OP was >>> complaining about the process and its costs. >>> >>> Presuamably, he's thinking that by making his pellet gun look like a >>> toy, he can somehow avoid this. >> >> I see - thanks for the info. |
| 01 May 2008 20:16:34 |
| Ernie Willson |
| Re: red tip |
Ray, Take care to see that things never get as bad in Idaho as they are here. EJ in NJ ray wrote: > On Thu, 01 May 2008 15:17:45 -0400, Ernie Willson wrote: > >> Here in the police state of NJ we need a firearms ID card to be out with >> an air gun or BB gun. These are considered firearm under NJ law. The >> state cannot make NJ citizens register their long guns, so for >> harassment we get a requirement for a Firearms ID card. The card is free >> but the fingerprinting etc costs in excess of $60.00. Under the law you >> are required to be granted your card in (IIRC) thirty days if nothing >> bad turns up in your background check. That fact notwithstanding, >> getting a card usually takes at least six months. The card lets you have >> a firearm (long gun) in your possession when you are out and about with >> proper reason. >> >> I once saw a guy indicted (in NJ) for having an empty Daisy Red Rider BB >> gun locked in his auto trunk. He didn't have a Firearms ID card. >> >> BB pistols and pellet pistols are considered identically to "real" >> pistols in NJ law. Possession a pistol when out and about in NJ requires >> a permit to carry (even for a BB pistol). >> >> >> EJ in NJ > > Thanks for the explanation - I had no idea. BTW - I'm in Idaho and have > spent my entire life in the west except the time I was in the Navy during > Vietnam. > > >> ray wrote: >>> On Thu, 01 May 2008 16:53:37 +0000, Bert Hyman wrote: >>> >>>> ray@zianet.com (ray) wrote in news:67u7neF2p6k7tU1@mid.individual.net: >>>> >>>>> On Thu, 01 May 2008 14:24:04 +0000, Bert Hyman wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> ray@zianet.com (ray) wrote in >>>>>> news:67u1kjF2q6bscU3@mid.individual.net: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, 01 May 2008 06:02:56 +0000, Barry Porch wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Has anyone ever put a red tip on there pellet gun to get around >>>>>>>> all that paper work? I just went to try to register and it's >>>>>>>> 62.50 just for fingerprints. I never shoot in town or for that >>>>>>>> matter where anyone would see me. I have a >>>>>>> I don't understand whereof you speak. I would assume you are not in >>>>>>> the U.S.? >>>>>> He's apparently in New Jersey, which is just as bad. >>>>>> >>>>>>> Perhaps you could explain a little. >>>>> Please forgive my ignorance, but that still doesn't tell me what a >>>>> 'red tip' is or what it does - I'm curious. >>>> New Jersey requires a permit to buy and own air guns, and the OP was >>>> complaining about the process and its costs. >>>> >>>> Presuamably, he's thinking that by making his pellet gun look like a >>>> toy, he can somehow avoid this. >>> I see - thanks for the info. > |
| 02 May 2008 12:37:37 |
| sideshowhaas@netscape.net |
| Re: red tip |
"... Here in the police state of NJ" Among the reasons I moved to New York. |
| 02 May 2008 20:59:32 |
| Barry Porch |
| Re: red tip |
Let me further explain. I am 62. My backbone is gradually disolving and sooner or later will be in a wheel chair all the time. Because of this I take quite a lot of medications. I also have a pacemaker, and several other problems, but I take several types of codine based medicine. They will not grant me a liscense because I am basically sick, although my mind is clear, etc. I just thought that if I could add some color to my pistol and rifle, no one would question what I am doing or if I am "legal". I love to shoot and it gives me a chance (excuse) to go outside once in a while. I basically sit in the back of my Yukon open the doors and plink, never animals. I have a strong need to be legal, but I seem to be in a catch 22, I just didn't know if anyone else had tried the red tip solution. All airsoft guns, have a red tip which makes them a toy instead ( as if they couldn't put an eye out too). Anyway, I guess there really is no answer and I'll just do what I do. You can see all of these guns at PyramidAir. Notice red on tip of airsoft guns. I didn't even know if I could register in another state or get a permit on line (like a college diploma). Thanks for at least thinking about this for me. I am so anal that I only shoot lead free pellets. By the way I have an alpa rifle and a Beretta FS92. On Fri, 2 May 2008 12:37:37 -0700 (PDT), "sideshowhaas@netscape.net" <sideshowhaas@netscape.net > wrote: >"... Here in the police state of NJ" > >Among the reasons I moved to New York. |
| 02 May 2008 21:36:08 |
| ray |
| Re: red tip |
On Fri, 02 May 2008 20:59:32 +0000, Barry Porch wrote: > Let me further explain. I am 62. My backbone is gradually disolving > and sooner or later will be in a wheel chair all the time. Because of > this I take quite a lot of medications. I also have a pacemaker, and > several other problems, but I take several types of codine based > medicine. They will not grant me a liscense because I am basically > sick, although my mind is clear, etc. I just thought that if I could > add some color to my pistol and rifle, no one would question what I am > doing or if I am "legal". I love to shoot and it gives me a chance > (excuse) to go outside once in a while. I basically sit in the back of > my Yukon open the doors and plink, never animals. I have a strong need > to be legal, but I seem to be in a catch 22, I just didn't know if > anyone else had tried the red tip solution. All airsoft guns, have a > red tip which makes them a toy instead ( as if they couldn't put an eye > out too). Anyway, I guess there really is no answer and I'll just do > what I do. You can see all of these guns at PyramidAir. Notice red on > tip of airsoft guns. I didn't even know if I could register in another > state or get a permit on line (like a college diploma). Thanks for at > least thinking about this for me. I am so anal that I only shoot lead > free pellets. By the way I have an alpa rifle and a Beretta FS92. Thanks for the information. I can appreciate your situation. BTW - just got a RWS 52 for doing some field target - took it out today to do some sighting (had done some preliminary work in the basement earlier in the week). So, anyway, on the first shot I'm concentrating so hard on what I'm doing that I didn't even check how far I was from the scope - so the recoil catches me above the eyebrow and starts bleeding like crazy. So off to the emergency room for five stitches. Well, at least I had the elevation good at 10 yards, but was still an inch and a half left - I just hope it was me instead of the scope! I spent about half an hour the other night trying to get the cross range adjusted. > > > > > > > > On Fri, 2 May 2008 12:37:37 -0700 (PDT), "sideshowhaas@netscape.net" > <sideshowhaas@netscape.net> wrote: > >>"... Here in the police state of NJ" >> >>Among the reasons I moved to New York. |
| 02 May 2008 22:43:00 |
| Bert Hyman |
| Re: red tip |
In news:138b56dc-ab3a-4e78-9bd0-c0a80759fedb@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com "sideshowhaas@netscape.net" <sideshowhaas@netscape.net > wrote: > "... Here in the police state of NJ" > > Among the reasons I moved to New York. It's hard to imagine a situation so bad that it's better in New York. -- Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN bert@iphouse.com |
| 03 May 2008 10:24:38 |
| Barry Porch |
| Re: red tip |
Well I am glad I at least gave us something to talk about. I think that what I will end up doing is buying a cheap airsoft pistol and rifle, they if approached I can hide the other guns and be inocent with the two legal guns. The whold thing is really (democratic). Why can't people live there lives and make a few decisions on their own. On 02 May 2008 22:43:00 GMT, Bert Hyman <bert@iphouse.com > wrote: >In >news:138b56dc-ab3a-4e78-9bd0-c0a80759fedb@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com >"sideshowhaas@netscape.net" <sideshowhaas@netscape.net> wrote: > >> "... Here in the police state of NJ" >> >> Among the reasons I moved to New York. > >It's hard to imagine a situation so bad that it's better in New York. |
| 06 May 2008 10:01:16 |
| Giles Ayling |
| Re: red tip |
I am writing from the UK, so forgive me if what I am about to say makes no sense with your Laws inthe US. I would have thought you could 1) Ask you wife/buddy/partner to get a permit, so that the guns where being transported legally, and also if stoped they could be responsible for the guns. ( I hate to think what the legal system might do if they caught you 2) Find someone with some land, and plink on their land, and leave the weapon with them when you finished your session. As I said above, I dont know if this works with your legal system Giles "Barry Porch" <barry.porch@verizon.net > wrote in message news:o5fo14dbvelujmut2plrp2ak3st9rnif0r@4ax.com... > Well I am glad I at least gave us something to talk about. I think > that what I will end up doing is buying a cheap airsoft pistol and > rifle, they if approached I can hide the other guns and be inocent > with the two legal guns. The whold thing is really (democratic). Why > can't people live there lives and make a few decisions on their own. > > > On 02 May 2008 22:43:00 GMT, Bert Hyman <bert@iphouse.com> wrote: > >>In >>news:138b56dc-ab3a-4e78-9bd0-c0a80759fedb@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com >>"sideshowhaas@netscape.net" <sideshowhaas@netscape.net> wrote: >> >>> "... Here in the police state of NJ" >>> >>> Among the reasons I moved to New York. >> >>It's hard to imagine a situation so bad that it's better in New York. |