Vintage Surfing Decals check out this website

29 Apr 2008 11:54:01

tboneatlanta

http://vintagesurfingdecals.shutterfly.com

password is "surfing"

I've got my entire collection of over 300 vintage surfing decals on
this site, and I make high quality repros from the original vintage
artwork. Maybe you've seen some of my decals on old surf wagons and
vintage woodies already. These are die-cut to shape and everything,
just like the originals. Some of these decals are worth well into the
hundreds of dollars, even if you were lucky enough to locate some of
them at all. I'm here to help you decorate your old surf wagon without
having to go to medical school or law school first in order to afford
it.
My repros are only $4 each, and if you get 20 or more there's a price
break. Go drop in, take a look and let me know what you think.

29 Apr 2008 21:16:51

Tony Malasadas

Re: Vintage Surfing Decals check out this website

"tboneatlanta" wrote:
> password is "surfing"
>

It doesn't work

--x--
Tony

29 Apr 2008 14:48:19

Andy

Re: Vintage Surfing Decals check out this website

On Apr 29, 1:54=A0pm, tboneatlanta <tboneatla...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> http://vintagesurfingdecals.shutterfly.com
>
> password is =A0"surfing"
>
> =A0 =A0I've got my entire collection of over 300 vintage surfing decals on=

> this site, and I make high quality repros from the original vintage
> artwork. Maybe you've seen some of my decals on old surf wagons and
> vintage woodies already. These are die-cut to shape and everything,
> just like the originals. Some of these decals are worth well into the
> hundreds of dollars, even if you were lucky enough to locate some of
> them at all. I'm here to help you decorate your old surf wagon without
> having to go to medical school or law school first in order to afford
> it.
> My repros are only $4 each, and if you get 20 or more there's a price
> break. Go drop in, take a look and let me know what you think.

I think there may be some Copyright issues.

Andy

29 Apr 2008 23:31:24

Tony Malasadas

Re: Vintage Surfing Decals check out this website

Repeated login attempts with IE didn't work.
I was successful using Firefox.

Like Andy said, you are probably violating the copyright
of many people. Just a quick f'rinstance:
John Severson
Greg Noll
Bruce Brown
Hap Jacobs
Renny Yater
Lance Carson
and Rick Griffin.

Does Rick Griffin's widow, Ida, get a percentage of
those knockoff decals of his artwork?
If she doesn't, you're a low-life.

--x--
Tony

29 Apr 2008 16:44:03

Bill Andrews

Re: Vintage Surfing Decals check out this website

I spotted MORE than one of your decals that I can guarantee you do not
have the rights to reproduce for sale in any way, shape, or form.

I ain't an attorney, so I'm forwarding this to some of my surfing
friends who are.

These guys are very aware of the trademarks, intellectual properties,
etc., that you have stolen.

If I didn't know this industry as well as I do, I'd probably say
something like: "I can't believe you ripped us off!"

- BUT -

You certainly are not the first, nor, I'm sure, the last to do so.

The surf industry is full of copycats etc., in fact, there are very
few unique ideas in the industry, so to copy is to be right in step
with the rest of idiots.

Bill Andrews

On Apr 29, 11:54=A0am, tboneatlanta <tboneatla...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> http://vintagesurfingdecals.shutterfly.com
>
> password is =A0"surfing"
>
> =A0 =A0I've got my entire collection of over 300 vintage surfing decals on=

> this site, and I make high quality repros from the original vintage
> artwork. Maybe you've seen some of my decals on old surf wagons and
> vintage woodies already. These are die-cut to shape and everything,
> just like the originals. Some of these decals are worth well into the
> hundreds of dollars, even if you were lucky enough to locate some of
> them at all. I'm here to help you decorate your old surf wagon without
> having to go to medical school or law school first in order to afford
> it.
> My repros are only $4 each, and if you get 20 or more there's a price
> break. Go drop in, take a look and let me know what you think.

29 Apr 2008 20:30:13

gpsman

Re: Vintage Surfing Decals check out this website

On Apr 29, 5:48 pm, Andy <anegative_entr...@hotmail.com > wrote:
>
> I think there may be some Copyright issues.

U n b e l i e v a b l e
-----

- gpsman

30 Apr 2008 17:23:56

Feigel

Re: Vintage Surfing Decals check out this website

[Default] On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 23:31:24 GMT, "Tony Malasadas"
<tonybaloney@addyisphoney.net > made a point of writing:

>Repeated login attempts with IE didn't work.
>I was successful using Firefox.
>
>Like Andy said, you are probably violating the copyright
>of many people. Just a quick f'rinstance:
>John Severson
>Greg Noll
>Bruce Brown
>Hap Jacobs
>Renny Yater
>Lance Carson
>and Rick Griffin.
>
>Does Rick Griffin's widow, Ida, get a percentage of
>those knockoff decals of his artwork?
>If she doesn't, you're a low-life.
>
>--x--
>Tony

Christ! Add to your list:

Hobie
Dewey Weber's family
The Greek (Bob Bolen)
Billabong
Con Colburn's family
Corky Carroll
Ernie Tanka's family
Tom Flaherty's family
Gidget herself
Larry Felker
Hansen
Lightning Bolt
The Moselle brothers
Pat Curren
Wardy
Rick
Morey-Pope
Zuma Jay
Robert August
Sonny Vardeman
Val Surf
Hansen
Birdwell
Windansea Surf Club
and, last but not least
Larry Stevenson and his family (Makaha Skateboards)

This guy better have permission to reproduce those images ... or a
damn good lawyer.

--

"One thing I like about surfing, you don't have to win to be a winner." - Terry "Tubesteak" Tracey

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Wax-up and drop-in on Surfing's Golden Years: http://www.surfwriter.net
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

30 Apr 2008 08:48:26

Bill Andrews

Re: Vintage Surfing Decals check out this website

"This guy" I can guarantee, does not have permission to reproduce the
most of the images, much less the permission to sell them!

The legal wheels are already turning in La Jolla for the cease and
desist letters.

If anyone / company deserves to get paid for their contribution to the
surf / skate world it's Stevenson.

If he had received even $0.01 for every kick-tail skateboard sold, he
would not have lived his last years the way that he did.

Bill Andrews
http://adaywithba.com/

On Apr 29, 10:23=A0pm, Feigel <b...@surfwriter.net.not > wrote:
> [Default] On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 23:31:24 GMT, "Tony Malasadas"
> <tonybalo...@addyisphoney.net> made a point of writing:
>
>
>
>
>
> >Repeated login attempts with IE didn't work.
> >I was successful using Firefox.
>
> >Like Andy said, you are probably violating the copyright
> >of many people. Just a quick f'rinstance:
> >John Severson
> >Greg Noll
> >Bruce Brown
> >Hap Jacobs
> >Renny Yater
> >Lance Carson
> >and Rick Griffin.
>
> >Does Rick Griffin's widow, Ida, =A0get a percentage of
> >those knockoff decals of his artwork?
> >If she doesn't, you're a low-life.
>
> >--x--
> >Tony
>
> Christ! Add to your list:
>
> Hobie
> Dewey Weber's family
> The Greek (Bob Bolen)
> Billabong
> Con Colburn's family
> Corky Carroll
> Ernie Tanka's family
> Tom Flaherty's family
> Gidget herself
> Larry Felker
> Hansen
> Lightning Bolt
> The Moselle brothers
> Pat Curren
> Wardy
> Rick
> Morey-Pope
> Zuma Jay
> Robert August
> Sonny Vardeman
> Val Surf
> Hansen
> Birdwell
> Windansea Surf Club
> and, last but not least
> Larry Stevenson and his family (Makaha Skateboards)
>
> This guy better have permission to reproduce those images ... or a
> damn good lawyer.
>
> --
>
> "One thing I like about surfing, you don't have to win to be a winner." - =
Terry "Tubesteak" Tracey
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Wax-up and drop-in on Surfing's Golden Years:http://www.surfwriter.net
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

01 May 2008 08:43:41

Feigel

Re: Vintage Surfing Decals check out this website

[Default] On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 08:48:26 -0700 (PDT), Bill Andrews
<adaywithba@gmail.com > made a point of writing:

>If anyone / company deserves to get paid for their contribution to the
>surf / skate world it's Stevenson.
>
>If he had received even $0.01 for every kick-tail skateboard sold, he
>would not have lived his last years the way that he did.

Well said, Bill. Couldn't agree with you more.

Larry was the first to come up with the ideas and develop them, the
first to get ripped off by the imitators... and the last to benefit
from his own inventions.

--

"One thing I like about surfing, you don't have to win to be a winner." - Terry "Tubesteak" Tracey

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Wax-up and drop-in on Surfing's Golden Years: http://www.surfwriter.net
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

01 May 2008 05:43:31

tboneatlanta

Re: Vintage Surfing Decals check out this website

it should have been clarified that there are some decals in my
collection that I will not make copies of, due to the fact that I have
researched and/or have been given information that they are active
copyrighted logos, or contains artwork from companies that are still
in business and making product. Therefore, my repros would be cutting
into their bottom line, which I'm not here to do. I don't want to hurt
anyone in any way, and I should have clarified that in my post. Here
are some that come to mind that are on my shutterfly page for viewing,
but I will not reproduce: Dewey Weber, Hot Curl, Rick Griffin's
cartoon art, Bing, Hobie, Sonny Vardeman, the blue Mahaka skateboards
logo, Val, Birdwell, and maybe a couple of others that I'm not
thinking about right off the top of my head. The rest of this stuff,
to the best of my knowledge and research, is what we in the graphic
arts community call "trade art", or graphics that were produced for
advertising purposes or "throwaway" art for an event or for
promotional purposes, etc., and therefore was never copyrighted in the
first place. People in the paper collectibles business call this stuff
"ephemera". It's now considered in the "public domain". I run another
website as well, where I make art prints out of vintage postcards from
beach towns, for people who have beach property, restaurants, hotels,
etc. All of this stuff is now public domain artwork. I've been forced
to do more legal research on this issue than the normal guy on the
street would, because I've been contacted by various magazine
publishers, etc. who wanted to write about me, but needed to verify
this stuff before writing about it. Anyone can legally reproduce this
stuff, whether or not you have a personal objection to doing so. Some
art galleries and art shows prefer to not allow me to display my
prints at their shows or shops because, while they acknowledge the
legality of it, they personally don't consider it "my art" and would
prefer to stay away from it. Which they have a perfect right to do so,
and I never complain about it. Modern graphic arts technology has
enabled us to do a lot of things with this old artwork that weren't
possible just a few years ago, and it is understandable that there is
some grey area there that some people have strong opinions about.
We have all been acclimated to an assumption nowadays that
everything we see is copyrighted by someone, but people back in the
60's didn't think about it that way at all. Who would have thought
back in the mid 60's that any of this stuff would ever be collectible,
and worth hundreds of dollars 40 years down the road? Nobody.
Here's an example right off the top of my head that I'll use: Promo
posters of surf movies. If I were to make a repro of a surf movie
poster of an old Severson movie playing at a high school in southern
California, and the poster said something about a $100 free Hobie
surfboard giveaway at the bottom of the poster, a lot of people would
assume that since Severson's name appears on the poster that it must
be copyrighted and belongs to him, or maybe since Hobie's name appears
on it, part of it must belong to him- but legally, that's not
necessarily the case at all. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. This was an
event sign, most likely designed and printed by some trade artist
working for a commercial printer, and it's highly likely that it was
never copyrighted in the first place- and even in the unlikely event
that it was, the copyright was likely never maintained and kept up to
date. And to say that it's hurting Severson or anybody else would
hinge on the assumption that these posters are currently being
produced by someone and currently for sale in some commercial
environment with royalties going to someone (neither of which is the
case) so unless you're sitting on an old original poster, waiting to
cash in on it for several hundred dollars, you should care less that
someone's out there making an $18 repro of it for their surf room. If
Severson has DVD's of his surf movies for sale somewhere, and I were
to pirate copies of the DVD and sell them, now you've got a legal
argument that will hold some water. But we're not talking about that.
A lot of the big players like surfwarez.com are starting to see the
opportunities in this as well, and they're selling repros of some of
their decals and posters. On a side note, I can tell you from personal
experience that the doctors and lawyers who want these originals are
still willing to pony up the big bucks for them. My repros are going
to a completely different group of people- regular surfers who just
want to decorate their old surf wagons with some cool stickers. These
guys have old VW vans that are worth less money than some of the
waterslide decals stuck on them.
There are two very distinct camps on this repro issue: people who
love it and people who hate it. I'm not going to get into a flame war
with any of you, but obviously there are a couple of guys here on this
forum who fall into the latter camp, with these comments like "don't
you think so-and-so's widow could use the money?". The bottom line is,
if you're looking at this from a legal standpoint, if you're a Hobie
or a Dewey Weber or a Bing, still out there producing stuff, and my
decals compete against that, I don't need to be making repros of their
stuff. That's common sense. No argument there. But a repro (for
example) of a waterslide decal from the 1964 Makaha Surfing
Championship, or a "Help Stamp Out Hodads" decal, at $4, when the
original is so rare that it's worth over $400, use some common sense.
This hurts no one. It's artwork that never held any copyright
protection in the first place. Anyone that can show any indication
that any of this stuff I have in my collection is still under active
copyright law is free to contact me at any time and I will not make
any repros of their artwork (as is my current policy with several of
the decals in my collection already).
I am a graphic artist, and I collect vintage printed ephemera. I love
the coast and surfing and fishing and swimming and everything having
to do with it. It's a personal hobby and passion of mine. As far as my
personal convictions go, I have a deep respect and admiration for
surfing's rich history, heritage, and surfing poineers, and at least
in my own mind I'm trying to keep it alive and preserve it. Surfing
was really special back in the 60's. America was different then.
Surfing has changed in a lot of ways. In many ways, for the worse. So
try to lighten up a little. And maybe get a decal or two for your old
surf wagon and go catch a wave this morning and thank God for another
beautiful sunrise.

01 May 2008 05:58:29

gpsman

Re: Vintage Surfing Decals check out this website

On May 1, 8:43 am, tboneatlanta <tboneatla...@yahoo.com > wrote:
>
> <some is> artwork that never held any copyright
> protection in the first place.

Duh.

Try "creating" something yourself sometime, then get back to us.

http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ22.html
-----

- gpsman

01 May 2008 09:48:39

Turby

Re: Vintage Surfing Decals check out this website

On Thu, 1 May 2008 05:43:31 -0700 (PDT), tboneatlanta
<tboneatlanta@yahoo.com > wrote:

>it should have been clarified

A nice attempt at rationalizing your ripoffs, but it doesn't work.
You're still committing a crime, both legally and morally.

--
Turby the Turbosurfer

01 May 2008 11:12:15

Tom Tweed

Re: Vintage Surfing Decals check out this website

On Thu, 1 May 2008 05:43:31 -0700 (PDT), tboneatlanta
<tboneatlanta@yahoo.com > wrote:

>This hurts no one. It's artwork that never held any copyright
>protection in the first place. Anyone that can show any indication
>that any of this stuff I have in my collection is still under active
>copyright law is free to contact me at any time and I will not make
>any repros of their artwork (as is my current policy with several of
>the decals in my collection already).

Then please take the WindanSea Surf Club sticker off your site
and quit reproducing it. I can tell you for a fact that it is
still under active copyright and trademark by the club,
originally by Chuck Hasley in 1962 and renewed by the WSC board
of directors in 2002. I was involved in the process and can have
our lawyers send you documentation if necessary, but would
actually prefer to send one of our larger members to find you
and kick your "ephemeral" ass instead, if you do not cease and
desist immediately.

Thank you,
TT
---------------------------------
Tom Tweed
La Jolla, CA, USA
"I have never been into Fashion, but I am totally into Style."
-- Kurt "da Mellow Cat" Ledterman
---------------------------------

01 May 2008 11:22:15

Mike Sullivan

Re: Vintage Surfing Decals check out this website

"tboneatlanta" <tboneatlanta@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:05ee0058-2ade-438d-b95e-178a81d45aad@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> it should have been clarified that there are some decals in my
> collection that I will not make copies of, due to the fact that I have

You do get kudos for bringing a bit of
excitement to AS this week.

Nothing like an ass kicking!

01 May 2008 13:47:07

Andy

Re: Vintage Surfing Decals check out this website

On May 1, 7:43=A0am, tboneatlanta <tboneatla...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> it should have been clarified that there are some decals in my
> collection that I will not make copies of, due to the fact that I have
> researched and/or have been given information that they are active
> copyrighted logos, or contains artwork from companies that are still
> in business and making product.

This comes right from your shutterfly acct.

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h299/entropy_2006/dork.jpg

Nowhere, I mean nowhere do you state that only a couple of those knock
offs are for sale. And in your original post you did not mention that
"some" were copyrighted and could not sell them.

Shit; the Powel and Peralta sticker has the fucking copyright number
right on it.

oh wait that was one of the strange ones that were not for sale...
right

snip
> I have a deep respect and admiration for
> surfing's rich history, heritage, and surfing poineers, and at least
> in my own mind I'm trying to keep it alive and preserve it.

and look I made a buck off someone elses work!

Have you met Alvin?

01 May 2008 13:56:58

Andy

Re: Vintage Surfing Decals check out this website

On May 1, 1:12=A0pm, Tom Tweed <ttw...@san.rr.com > wrote:
>
> Then please =A0take the WindanSea Surf Club sticker off your site
> and quit reproducing it. =A0I can tell you for a fact that it is
> still under active copyright and trademark by the club,
> originally by Chuck Hasley in 1962 and renewed by the WSC board
> of directors in 2002. =A0I was involved in the process and can have
> our lawyers send you documentation if necessary, but would
> actually prefer to send one of our larger =A0members to find you
> and kick your "ephemeral" ass instead, =A0if you do not cease and
> desist immediately.
>
> Thank you,
> TT
> ---------------------------------
> Tom Tweed =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0
> La Jolla, CA, USA =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0
> "I have never been into Fashion, but I am totally into Style."
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 -- Kurt "da Mellow Cat" Ledterman =A0
> ---------------------------------

http://www.shutterfly.com/help/terms.jsp

Customer Service
ATTN: Copyright Protection
Shutterfly, Inc.
3180 Corporate Place
Hayward, CA 94545

Fax: (650) 654-1299
Email: copyright@shutterfly.com

Give these guys a ring.
Looks like he is opening up Shutterfly to legal action.

Hmmmm,

Andy

01 May 2008 13:57:41

Turby

Re: Vintage Surfing Decals check out this website

On Thu, 01 May 2008 11:12:15 -0700, Tom Tweed <ttweed@san.rr.com >
wrote:

>On Thu, 1 May 2008 05:43:31 -0700 (PDT), tboneatlanta
><tboneatlanta@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>This hurts no one. It's artwork that never held any copyright
>>protection in the first place. Anyone that can show any indication
>>that any of this stuff I have in my collection is still under active
>>copyright law is free to contact me at any time and I will not make
>>any repros of their artwork (as is my current policy with several of
>>the decals in my collection already).
>
>Then please take the WindanSea Surf Club sticker off your site
>and quit reproducing it. I can tell you for a fact that it is
>still under active copyright and trademark by the club,
>originally by Chuck Hasley in 1962 and renewed by the WSC board
>of directors in 2002. I was involved in the process and can have
>our lawyers send you documentation if necessary, but would
>actually prefer to send one of our larger members to find you
>and kick your "ephemeral" ass instead, if you do not cease and
>desist immediately.

"One"? Hell, send a whole team. Make it a contest. Kick Tbone's ass
and win a bunch of artwork.

--
Turby the Turbosurfer

01 May 2008 22:00:59

Tony Malasadas

Re: Vintage Surfing Decals check out this website

"tboneatlanta" wrote:
> it should have been clarified that there are some decals in my
> collection that I will not make copies of,
>

There is no mention of that in the galleries. I guess you forgot to
differentiate that. Why do I get the feeling that if someone wanted
a 'repro' of *any* of those images, you'd be willing to sell them?

> Here's an example right off the top of my head that I'll use: Promo
> posters of surf movies. If I were to make a repro of a surf movie
> poster of an old Severson movie...
> And to say that it's hurting Severson or anybody else would
> hinge on the assumption that these posters are currently being
> produced by someone and currently for sale in some commercial
> environment
>

The posters for all of Severson's films were his own, original
artwork. The sole exception being the poster for his last film,
Pacific Vibrations. Griffin did the art for that one.
If you'd bother to look at Sevo's website, you'd see that he's
still selling prints of all his old film posters. So, you certainly
DO NOT have the right to reproduce any of them.
http://www.surferart.com

> There are two very distinct camps on this repro issue: people who
> love it and people who hate it. I'm not going to get into a flame war
> with any of you, but obviously there are a couple of guys here on this
> forum who fall into the latter camp, with these comments like "don't
> you think so-and-so's widow could use the money?".
>

That's not what I said, you fuckin kook. With a few exceptions, like
his work for Surfer Mag and Greg Noll, Ida Griffin owns the rights
to Rick's work. I attended the Griffin show in Laguna Beach, last
year. They did not allow anyone to photograph the pieces on exhibit.
Why? Copyright. I was told this by one of the museum's directors.
So, it's not about whether Ida needs the money. It's about you
selling what's not rightfully yours.

> ....a repro (for example) of a waterslide decal from the 1964 Makaha Surfing
> Championship, or a "Help Stamp Out Hodads" decal, at $4, when the
> original is so rare that it's worth over $400, use some common sense.
> This hurts no one.
>

No one said otherwise. Feigel, Andrews, and myself all listed names
and art that are very much still in use by their rightful owners. It's one
thing to make reproductions of corny old generic images. It's a whole
different issue when you are selling unauthorized copies of someone
else's property.

Your long-winded, yet weak, justification simply shows that you're
a fucking kook, and a douchebag. You're as bad as Tom Sena, the asshole
who is importing Chinese boards with defunct labels like Canyon, Challenger,
Natural Progression, and Surfboards Australia. Except, your market is yuppie
"lifestyle" surfers, instead of clueless newbies.

I really hope the boys from the WSC pay you a visit. I hope someone tapes it.

--x--
Tony