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| 03 May 2008 14:03:13 |
| jo gazab |
| Are there juggling-videos of historic value? |
Imagine someone who doesn't know anything about juggling and its cultural conditions asks you for some juggling videos in order to get an overview about juggling and its development (18xx - today). Which videos would you show that person? As there are tons of good juggling videos out there, I'm interested in finding out if there are any that one should have seen absolutely. You know, which ones are the essentials that still will be watched in 50 years or so because of their content. I know it's hard, but please try to mention up to 20 videos (not more!) that you think are important. Let's see where it gets us... have fun, thank you Jo -- ----== posted via www.jugglingdb.com ==---- |
| 03 May 2008 07:35:54 |
| Ed Provencher |
| Re: Are there juggling-videos of historic value? |
On May 3, 11:03=A0pm, karl-der-dinosaur...@gmx.de.nospam.com (jo gazab) wrote: > Imagine someone who doesn't know anything about juggling and its cultural > conditions asks you for some juggling videos in order to get an overview > about juggling and its development (18xx - today). Which videos would you > show that person? > > As there are tons of good juggling videos out there, I'm interested in > finding out if there are any that one should have seen absolutely. You > know, which ones are the essentials that still will be watched in 50 years= > or so because of their content. I know it's hard, but please try to > mention up to 20 videos (not more!) that you think are important. Let's > see where it gets us... > have fun, thank you > Jo > > -- > ----=3D=3D posted viawww.jugglingdb.com=3D=3D---- Siteswaps, The DVD Thomas Dietz 1-10 (I count these as one video, more like one series that should take a single spot on the list) |
| 03 May 2008 07:40:34 |
| Ed Provencher |
| Re: Are there juggling-videos of historic value? |
On May 3, 11:35=A0pm, Ed Provencher <eddie_provenc...@hotmail.com > wrote: > On May 3, 11:03=A0pm, karl-der-dinosaur...@gmx.de.nospam.com (jo gazab) > wrote: > > > > > > > Imagine someone who doesn't know anything about juggling and its cultura= l > > conditions asks you for some juggling videos in order to get an overview= > > about juggling and its development (18xx - today). Which videos would yo= u > > show that person? > > > As there are tons of good juggling videos out there, I'm interested in > > finding out if there are any that one should have seen absolutely. You > > know, which ones are the essentials that still will be watched in 50 yea= rs > > or so because of their content. I know it's hard, but please try to > > mention up to 20 videos (not more!) that you think are important. Let's > > see where it gets us... > > have fun, thank you > > Jo > > > -- > > ----=3D=3D posted viawww.jugglingdb.com=3D=3D---- > > Siteswaps, The DVD > Thomas Dietz 1-10 (I count these as one video, more like one series > that should take a single spot on the list)- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - I'll add Ohako to my list. |
| 03 May 2008 14:49:53 |
| Dreamjuggler |
| Re: Are there juggling-videos of historic value? |
I would recommend a book from Carl- Heinz Ziethen...;-). -- ----== posted via www.jugglingdb.com ==---- |
| 03 May 2008 17:19:13 |
| Reuben |
| Re: Are there juggling-videos of historic value? |
jo gazab wrote: > > Imagine someone who doesn't know anything about juggling and its cultural > conditions asks you for some juggling videos in order to get an overview > about juggling and its development (18xx - today). Which videos would you > show that person? > > As there are tons of good juggling videos out there, I'm interested in > finding out if there are any that one should have seen absolutely. You > know, which ones are the essentials that still will be watched in 50 years > or so because of their content. I know it's hard, but please try to > mention up to 20 videos (not more!) that you think are important. Let's > see where it gets us... > have fun, thank you > Jo > Alright, I'll have a try: http://www.ministryofmanipulation.com/blog/category/juggling-throw-catch/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkP-TW2RHuw http://www.juggling.tv/vaults/view_video.php?viewkey=c5d489242e60ebcbaf98 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jv6f26RNLqY&NR=1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2smpLHV91EE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsKzSt4zOHo&mode=related&search= http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzMddlTZcJI http://juggler.com/freevideo/DanHolzman3ball.php http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5MByebAnyo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VeB7quFcM8 Sorry, only 10 here. I have about 300 favourites, but I wasn't sure how many fit these criteria. As for the first link, the Ministry of Manipulation, it's worth looking through their archive - there are hundreds of unbelievable juggling videos in it. Thanks, Reuben -- ----== posted via www.jugglingdb.com ==---- |
| 03 May 2008 18:26:49 |
| jimifun |
| Re: Are there juggling-videos of historic value? |
jo gazab wrote: > > Imagine someone who doesn't know anything about juggling and its cultural > conditions asks you for some juggling videos in order to get an overview > about juggling and its development (18xx - today). Which videos would you > show that person? > > As there are tons of good juggling videos out there, I'm interested in > finding out if there are any that one should have seen absolutely. You > know, which ones are the essentials that still will be watched in 50 years > or so because of their content. I know it's hard, but please try to > mention up to 20 videos (not more!) that you think are important. Let's > see where it gets us... > have fun, thank you > Jo > vova galchenko last day in penza. i think it is one of the most important juggling videos out there. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YetkjGEA4Vs -- ----== posted via www.jugglingdb.com ==---- |
| 03 May 2008 18:48:10 |
| Adrian Pole |
| Re: Are there juggling-videos of historic value? |
jo gazab wrote: > > Imagine someone who doesn't know anything about juggling and its cultural > conditions asks you for some juggling videos in order to get an overview > about juggling and its development (18xx - today). Which videos would you > show that person? > > As there are tons of good juggling videos out there, I'm interested in > finding out if there are any that one should have seen absolutely. You > know, which ones are the essentials that still will be watched in 50 years > or so because of their content. I know it's hard, but please try to > mention up to 20 videos (not more!) that you think are important. Let's > see where it gets us... > have fun, thank you > Jo > Francis Brunn on the Edd Sullivan show, I think it was sullivan any way. Sergei Ignatov 1991 IJA Kris Kremo on that black and white TV show 9-1 nordic objects Anthony Gatto-kooza press conference -- ----== posted via www.jugglingdb.com ==---- |
| 03 May 2008 19:17:35 |
| GLF00 |
| Re: Are there juggling-videos of historic value? |
I'd list the Jay Gilligan DVDs. His stuff is so new, experimental and different that a couple hundred years in the future people will probably look at them and say "oh, that's where this technique/idea originated". Also, the MRL (Manipulation Research Laboratory) DVD. As far as I know that was the first time anyone has held an experimental laboratory like that. And probably the Sean Mckinney DVDs. Sean was so different and cutting edge that I doubt his stuff will ever cease to inspire. -- ----== posted via www.jugglingdb.com ==---- |
| 04 May 2008 22:05:46 |
| jo gazab |
| Re: Are there juggling-videos of historic value? |
Thank you for posting! That's a beginnig at least... All you other guys who have read this and not yet posted: Come on! There are at least two or three videos you could sum up here. All posts highly appreciated! regards, Jo -- ----== posted via www.jugglingdb.com ==---- |
| 04 May 2008 22:34:59 |
| Leo.Kh. |
| Re: Are there juggling-videos of historic value? |
jo gazab wrote: > > Imagine someone who doesn't know anything about juggling and its cultural > conditions asks you for some juggling videos in order to get an overview > about juggling and its development (18xx - today). Which videos would you > show that person? > > As there are tons of good juggling videos out there, I'm interested in > finding out if there are any that one should have seen absolutely. You > know, which ones are the essentials that still will be watched in 50 years > or so because of their content. I know it's hard, but please try to > mention up to 20 videos (not more!) that you think are important. Let's > see where it gets us... > have fun, thank you > Jo > I did a post on the french forum Jongle.net with a selection of links and a short description of historical videos you can find on the web. http://www.jongle.net/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=19778 All of these jugglers are mentioned on the JIS hall of fame. As for the recent videos I would say : all of the Peapot videos, the Gandinis' ones (mediacircus) as well as Bouncing in Paris and the VSNB manipulation series. You may not like some of this, however I think no one would deny its historical interest. -- ----== posted via www.jugglingdb.com ==---- |
| 05 May 2008 04:04:18 |
| danielcoyne |
| Re: Are there juggling-videos of historic value? |
How about Viktor Kee's act in Dralion: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uznAQaPIVT4 -- ----== posted via www.jugglingdb.com ==---- |
| 05 May 2008 07:45:05 |
| Azrelle |
| Re: Are there juggling-videos of historic value? |
jo gazab wrote: > > Imagine someone who doesn't know anything about juggling and its cultural > conditions asks you for some juggling videos in order to get an overview > about juggling and its development (18xx - today). Which videos would you > show that person? There's still a torrent available of historical juggling footage which covers a wide range of styles and dates. I am however stuck behind a firewall at work and cannot access a link. I'm sure someone else who downloaded it will chip in though. I think originally it was http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3619647but it might not be that exact file anymore. As for anything from the 19th Century you'd be better off looking at books and old photos. A particularly good book is 4000 Years of Juggling by Karl-Heinz Ziethen, but it's pretty hard to get hold of a copy. __ Az -- ----== posted via www.jugglingdb.com ==---- |
| 06 May 2008 00:19:23 |
| The Void |
| Re: Are there juggling-videos of historic value? |
jo gazab wrote: > > Imagine someone who doesn't know anything about juggling and its cultural > conditions asks you for some juggling videos in order to get an overview > about juggling and its development (18xx - today). Which videos would you > show that person? > > As there are tons of good juggling videos out there, I'm interested in > finding out if there are any that one should have seen absolutely. You > know, which ones are the essentials that still will be watched in 50 years > or so because of their content. I know it's hard, but please try to > mention up to 20 videos (not more!) that you think are important. Let's > see where it gets us... > have fun, thank you Do you have a reason for asking, aside from curiosity? What is your list? Paul Cinquevalli Earliest known footage of a famous juggler http://www.juggling.tv/vaults/view_video.php?viewkey=e77f13a6d184dbf1232f The Great Everhart Originator(?) of Hoop Rolling as a vaudeville act http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deSNrWb-0i0 (...which has now died out following the retirement of Bob Bramson http://www.juggling.tv/vaults/view_video.php?viewkey=56fc8a4d2a519803d51b) WC Fields Classic vaudevillian comedy 'tramp' juggler http://www.juggling.tv/vaults/view_video.php?viewkey=d36f5c4359f4ae7bd7ba Enrico Rastelli Very famous juggler in 1930s, skill level still rarely matched today. http://www.juggling.tv/vaults/view_video.php?viewkey=78b84f3d5d92f4faa000 Rebla Dry, sarcastic comedy juggler http://www.juggling.tv/vaults/view_video.php?viewkey=a9969845dfe4146c5660 (cf Rob Murray http://www.juggling.tv/vaults/view_video.php?viewkey=0ef399b63a72d0e4ab57 - his protege. A good example of how skills/routines live on beyond their creators) Bobby May http://www.jugglingdb.com/videos/index.php?performer=7&text=Bobby+May Combining style and technique in new ways in the 30s & 40s Francis Brunn Dance influences, combination tricks http://www.juggling.tv/vaults/view_video.php?viewkey=b43402106c575658472f Anthony Gatto Child prodigy http://www.juggling.tv/vaults/view_video.php?viewkey=28e489b44e954ec0b9bc Bruce Sarafian Numbers trendsetter http://www.juggling.tv/vaults/view_video.php?viewkey=3b03ae6d3f8540cd6362 Kiss/Biljauer/Ignatov/Anatoli & Victor Crazy Russian skills http://www.juggling.tv/vaults/view_video.php?viewkey=fcba7cda0cf54a2e802f http://www.juggling.tv/vaults/view_video.php?viewkey=066b82ab86dff8a46af6 http://www.juggling.tv/vaults/view_video.php?viewkey=c0c690931222ff4467bb http://www.juggling.tv/vaults/view_video.php?viewkey=af9573aa5dff913df997 Kris Kremo 3 object specialist from performing dynasty http://www.juggling.tv/vaults/view_video.php?viewkey=abcb736ab9a754ffb617 Wintergarten Gandinis Theatricality, presentation, passing, use of music http://www.juggling.tv/vaults/view_video.php?viewkey=68e1840a1324e839230d Wirus That contacty thing http://www.juggling.tv/vaults/view_video.php?viewkey=1abacba7dbde04f761c3 Sakari Scandinavian club skills, combining elements of swing and 'manipulation' http://www.juggling.tv/vaults/view_video.php?viewkey=9337587f6ab6397699af The "Internet Video" genre http://www.juggling.tv/vaults/view_video.php?viewkey=185b84a4cf7aa51f2950 and its parody http://www.juggling.tv/vaults/view_video.php?viewkey=1e6d8cd7b905f4e1bf72 The Void ................ Who restrained himself from putting in a Bungay video as an example of a "convention video" -- ----== posted via www.jugglingdb.com ==---- |
| 06 May 2008 00:25:10 |
| The Void |
| Re: Are there juggling-videos of historic value? |
Azrelle wrote: > > Imagine someone who doesn't know anything about juggling and its cultural > > conditions asks you for some juggling videos in order to get an overview > > about juggling and its development (18xx - today). Which videos would you > > show that person? > > There's still a torrent available of historical juggling footage which > covers a wide range of styles and dates. I am however stuck behind a > firewall at work and cannot access a link. I'm sure someone else who > downloaded it will chip in though. I think originally it was > http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3619647but it might not be that exact file > anymore. All of which are online individually here: http://www.juggling.tv/vaults/search_result.php?search_id=old+school The Void ............... Homework creditor -- ----== posted via www.jugglingdb.com ==---- |
| 06 May 2008 11:49:12 |
| Little Paul |
| Re: Are there juggling-videos of historic value? |
On 2008-05-03, Reuben <reubenharry+juggling@gmail.com.nospam.com > wrote: > > Alright, I'll have a try: > > http://www.ministryofmanipulation.com/blog/category/juggling-throw-catch/ > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkP-TW2RHuw > > http://www.juggling.tv/vaults/view_video.php?viewkey=c5d489242e60ebcbaf98 > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jv6f26RNLqY&NR=1 > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2smpLHV91EE > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsKzSt4zOHo&mode=related&search= > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzMddlTZcJI > > http://juggler.com/freevideo/DanHolzman3ball.php > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5MByebAnyo > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VeB7quFcM8 needs less description.[1] -Paul [1] You may be able to recognise a youtube video from looking at the url, but the rest of us are human. Do us a favour and annotate the list. |
| 06 May 2008 11:52:29 |
| Little Paul |
| Re: Are there juggling-videos of historic value? |
On 2008-05-03, jo gazab <karl-der-dinosaurier@gmx.de.nospam.com > wrote: > Imagine someone who doesn't know anything about juggling and its cultural > conditions asks you for some juggling videos in order to get an overview > about juggling and its development (18xx - today). Which videos would you > show that person? I've spent the last couple of days mentally formulating a list, and then come in to work today to find that between them void and ady have pretty much posted it. They've mostly hit videos of people who have made a real impact in the juggling world - the sort of performers who are responsible for major innovations - and if someone was interested in "juggling and its development (18xx - today)" then they'd make a great starting point. -Paul -- paulseward.com - a photo a day for 2008 100jugglers.org - 100 pieces of signed juggling promotional material |
| 06 May 2008 12:14:02 |
| jo gazab |
| Re: Are there juggling-videos of historic value? |
> Do you have a reason for asking, aside from curiosity? > What is your list? It's mostly curiosity I think. Aside from this, I'm doing a juggling workshop at a school this week and decided to show the children some videos so they can see what juggling can be/feel like. Finally, I hadn't much time for the videos today, only a couple of minutes, so I showed them David Cain's '36 Types Of Juggling' and one of the Thomas Dietz videos, both different and suitable for beginners I think. As for me, I've not made such a list yet. But it certainly would contain footage of Rastelli, Brunn, Kiss, Biljauer, Kremo, Ignatov, McKinney, Gatto, the Peapot guys, Jerome Thomas, Michael Moschen, Michael Menes, The Gandinis, Barak Reuven, Michael Karas, Thomas Dietz, Stefan Sing, the swedish gang, Wes Peden and some others I've forgotten right here... there would be some convention-videos in it because there you get a good feeling for the juggling-atmosphere of today I think. cheers, Jo -- ----== posted via www.jugglingdb.com ==---- |
| 06 May 2008 05:35:33 |
| Andrew John Conway |
| Re: Are there juggling-videos of historic value? |
> The Great Everhart > Originator(?) of Hoop Rolling as a vaudeville acthttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deSNrWb-0i0 > (...which has now died out following the retirement of Bob Bramsonhttp://www.juggling.tv/vaults/view_video.php?viewkey=56fc8a4d2a519803...) Carter Brown of Lazer Vaudeville still does a hoop rolling act. Andrew |
| 06 May 2008 12:43:48 |
| The Void |
| Re: Are there juggling-videos of historic value? |
Andrew John Conway wrote: > > The Great Everhart > > Originator(?) of Hoop Rolling as a vaudeville acthttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deSNrWb-0i0 > > (...which has now died out following the retirement of Bob Bramsonhttp://www.juggling.tv/vaults/view_video.php?viewkey=56fc8a4d2a519803...) > > Carter Brown of Lazer Vaudeville still does a hoop rolling act. I'm glad to be corrected - thanks. Even if they can't spell 'laser'. ;-) The Void ............... Bat flatterer -- ----== posted via www.jugglingdb.com ==---- |