social desire

06 May 2008 02:34:24

brianpdailey

social desire

What do you all think about performers being valued or devalued based on
gender presentation?

I was prompted to write this after reading the new 'Juggling Crib' comic,
but i hope this to be a seperate
discussion on what perspective or experiences some of you might have on
this topic. I have a few things
to share that I'm sure are very limited so I really hope to open it up to
everybody (particullarly those who
may have unique experiences or perspectives to share).

Just a recently I saw a show where I woman performer got a super great
reception. She had a nice
routine, but I think people were really celebrating her in terms of her
sexyness. Maybe I was jealous,
but I realy felt that If I had done her routine, in the way she had done
it, that it would not have been very
well liked at all (by the same audience). I am not saying it was a bad
routine, or that there is anything
wrong with any one acting sexy on stage. But I wonder if audiences are
missing out on women who may
not to play it up.

Fun fact: I have been called 'a faggot' more times when I have been
juggling than when I have not (even
if you count junior high-school [that's 11 to 13 yrs or grades 7-8 in the
u.s.])!

Sorry this is conceptually messy and probably full of typos. -brian

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06 May 2008 03:38:56

Bekah.Smith

Re: social desire

brianpdailey wrote:
>
>
> What do you all think about performers being valued or devalued based on
> gender presentation?
>
> I was prompted to write this after reading the new 'Juggling Crib' comic,
> but i hope this to be a seperate
> discussion on what perspective or experiences some of you might have on
> this topic. I have a few things
> to share that I'm sure are very limited so I really hope to open it up to
> everybody (particullarly those who
> may have unique experiences or perspectives to share).
>
> Just a recently I saw a show where I woman performer got a super great
> reception. She had a nice
> routine, but I think people were really celebrating her in terms of her
> sexyness. Maybe I was jealous,
> but I realy felt that If I had done her routine, in the way she had done
> it, that it would not have been very
> well liked at all (by the same audience). I am not saying it was a bad
> routine, or that there is anything
> wrong with any one acting sexy on stage. But I wonder if audiences are
> missing out on women who may
> not to play it up.
>
> Fun fact: I have been called 'a faggot' more times when I have been
> juggling than when I have not (even
> if you count junior high-school [that's 11 to 13 yrs or grades 7-8 in the
> u.s.])!
>
> Sorry this is conceptually messy and probably full of typos. -brian
>

The point of performing is to entertain people. And it sounds like that
female performer just really knew her audience and knew what they wanted
to see. I definitely think that there is a tendency for male and female
jugglers to be viewed differently on stage...but it's certainly not always
the case, nor do I see it as a bad thing.

It may have just been her style as well. I'm guessing that she probably
incorporated some amount of dance in her act...which is supposed to draw
the audience's attention to your body. So it makes sense that they
noticed and appreciated it more than they would if she had done a
technical juggling show. I'm certain that any man or woman who found a
very certain style (whether it be incorporating elements of dance, music,
stylistic knee-slapping, or whatever) that really fit their character on
stage, they would be just as well received as she was.

I wonder if these heckling comments I've heard recently are relevant to
the discussion? Perhaps they'll actually go against what I just said,
since my juggling doesn't have any particularly "sexy" qualities, yet
random drivers still seem to notice more than just the tricks I'm doing...

While working on 5 balls in a friend's yard: "Juggle that shit, baby!"
While unicycling to work: "Oh yeah, I'll give you something to ride..."

- Bekah

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06 May 2008 04:33:49

ultimatewannabe

Re: social desire

brianpdailey wrote:
>
>
> What do you all think about performers being valued or devalued based on
> gender presentation?
>
> I was prompted to write this after reading the new 'Juggling Crib' comic,
> but i hope this to be a seperate
> discussion on what perspective or experiences some of you might have on
> this topic. I have a few things
> to share that I'm sure are very limited so I really hope to open it up to
> everybody (particullarly those who
> may have unique experiences or perspectives to share).
>
> Just a recently I saw a show where I woman performer got a super great
> reception. She had a nice
> routine, but I think people were really celebrating her in terms of her
> sexyness. Maybe I was jealous,
> but I realy felt that If I had done her routine, in the way she had done
> it, that it would not have been very
> well liked at all (by the same audience). I am not saying it was a bad
> routine, or that there is anything
> wrong with any one acting sexy on stage. But I wonder if audiences are
> missing out on women who may
> not to play it up.
>
> Fun fact: I have been called 'a faggot' more times when I have been
> juggling than when I have not (even
> if you count junior high-school [that's 11 to 13 yrs or grades 7-8 in the
> u.s.])!
>
> Sorry this is conceptually messy and probably full of typos. -brian
>

Audiences are stupid, really really stupid. Try to think of the people in
the audiences as fourth graders who are really excited to have just heard
about sex. This is assumption will account for most audience behavior.

Something about being in an audience makes you want to act dumb. I was
just in an audience this weekend and a female performer was asking for
"strong volunteers." I jumped up and yanked my shirt off as fast as I
could. Of course that was a stupid thing to do but I knew the performer a
bit and I knew she was a good performer and she did come up with "No,
you're too skinny, sit down." which was very funny.

My point is that an audience of any kind is exceptionally low brow.

Even in the WJF you'll hear performers bitch about audiences clapping for
the easy tricks more than the hard ones.

If you are juggling for audiences and want to do hard things and get
recognition for it, you're in for a very miserable life. Juggle for you
and then you can recognize yourself for any accomplishments you value.

Mike

Fun Fact: I've been called a faggot more times for using a bright pink
bathtowel and trying to start sword fights in the shower than any other
situation.

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06 May 2008 04:36:25

ultimatewannabe

Re: social desire

Bekah.Smith wrote:
>
> While working on 5 balls in a friend's yard: "Juggle that shit, baby!"
> While unicycling to work: "Oh yeah, I'll give you something to ride..."
>
> - Bekah
>

Men are pigs. I'm sure they go off on much worse tangents you don't hear
about. They think it's funny and it amuses them in the same sort of way
your juggling/unicycling amuses you. It is also revolting but I can't
imagine it changing anytime soon.

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06 May 2008 08:41:31

Steven Ragatz

Re: social desire

ultimatewannabe wrote:
>
> Audiences are stupid, really really stupid. Try to think of the people in
> the audiences as fourth graders who are really excited to have just heard
> about sex. This is assumption will account for most audience behavior.

This is just about the most arrogant and ego-centric thing I've seen
written on rec.juggling.

If you are performing, and think this about your audience, do everyone a
favor and get the fuck off of the stage.

Steven Ragatz

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06 May 2008 10:45:26

lynne

Re: social desire

brianpdailey wrote:
>
>
> What do you all think about performers being valued or devalued based on
> gender presentation?

There aren't any neutral presentations. Some performers play up to their
native gender stereotypes others not so strongly. It can be done well or
otherwise but the quality of a performance doesn't depend on it. There
are just, traditionally, fewer recognised stage roles for women to choose
from should they want to adopt one of those standard characters.

> I was prompted to write this after reading the new 'Juggling Crib' comic,

the pages of which, as far as I'm concerned, should remain stuck together
after the kids have (metaphorically?) wanked over them.

> but i hope this to be a seperate
> discussion on what perspective or experiences some of you might have on
> this topic.

Oh, alright then.

> I have a few things
> to share that I'm sure are very limited so I really hope to open it up to
> everybody (particullarly those who
> may have unique experiences or perspectives to share).
>
> Just a recently I saw a show where I woman performer got a super great
> reception. She had a nice
> routine, but I think people were really celebrating her in terms of her
> sexyness. Maybe I was jealous,
> but I realy felt that If I had done her routine, in the way she had done
> it, that it would not have been very
> well liked at all (by the same audience). I am not saying it was a bad
> routine, or that there is anything
> wrong with any one acting sexy on stage. But I wonder if audiences are
> missing out on women who may
> not to play it up.

There is some unwritten agreement between an audience and a performer -
one doesn't work without the other. It may not be groundbreaking stuff
but there will always be a market for the "get a takeaway, watch a movie"
kind of show.

It is a mark of the 'better than average' performer that they can
push/pull/persuade an audience into accepting/enjoying more than the
expected.

There are many and varied reasons why this skill is rarer with women than
men and I'm sure others will be quite happy to suggest these if they care
to use their imaginations.

>
> Fun fact: I have been called 'a faggot' more times when I have been
> juggling than when I have not...

Ha, I've been mistaken for a bloke simply for being tall (sure my
'friends' will tell me if there are other reasons :).

Lynne

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06 May 2008 11:30:32

ijuggle42

Re: social desire

ultimatewannabe wrote:
>
> Bekah.Smith wrote:
> >
> > While working on 5 balls in a friend's yard: "Juggle that shit, baby!"
> > While unicycling to work: "Oh yeah, I'll give you something to ride..."
> >
> > - Bekah
> >
>
> Men are pigs. I'm sure they go off on much worse tangents you don't hear
> about. They think it's funny and it amuses them in the same sort of way
> your juggling/unicycling amuses you. It is also revolting but I can't
> imagine it changing anytime soon.

> And all women are a pleasure to be around, barrel of laughs…..

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06 May 2008 12:00:23

Le_lemGo

Re: social desire

06 May 2008 12:37:03

catiecat

Re: social desire

Le_lemGo wrote:
>
> lynne wrote:
> >
> > brianpdailey wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > What do you all think about performers being valued or devalued based on
> > > gender presentation?
> >
> > There aren't any neutral presentations. Some performers play up to their
> > native gender stereotypes others not so strongly. It can be done well or
> > otherwise but the quality of a performance doesn't depend on it. There
> > are just, traditionally, fewer recognised stage roles for women to choose
> > from should they want to adopt one of those standard characters.
>
> And there are much fewer 'balls' jokes women can make....
>
> lemGo
>

You just have to make them about other people's balls ;).

Cate--not particularly proud to sign her name under that post...

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06 May 2008 12:59:22

catiecat

Re: social desire

lynne wrote:
>
> brianpdailey wrote:
> >
> >
> > What do you all think about performers being valued or devalued based on
> > gender presentation?
>
> There aren't any neutral presentations. Some performers play up to their
> native gender stereotypes others not so strongly. It can be done well or
> otherwise but the quality of a performance doesn't depend on it. There
> are just, traditionally, fewer recognised stage roles for women to choose
> from should they want to adopt one of those standard characters.
>
> > I was prompted to write this after reading the new 'Juggling Crib' comic,
>
> the pages of which, as far as I'm concerned, should remain stuck together
> after the kids have (metaphorically?) wanked over them.
>
> > but i hope this to be a seperate
> > discussion on what perspective or experiences some of you might have on
> > this topic.
>
> Oh, alright then.
>
> > I have a few things
> > to share that I'm sure are very limited so I really hope to open it up to
> > everybody (particullarly those who
> > may have unique experiences or perspectives to share).
> >
> > Just a recently I saw a show where I woman performer got a super great
> > reception. She had a nice
> > routine, but I think people were really celebrating her in terms of her
> > sexyness. Maybe I was jealous,
> > but I realy felt that If I had done her routine, in the way she had done
> > it, that it would not have been very
> > well liked at all (by the same audience). I am not saying it was a bad
> > routine, or that there is anything
> > wrong with any one acting sexy on stage. But I wonder if audiences are
> > missing out on women who may
> > not to play it up.
>
> There is some unwritten agreement between an audience and a performer -
> one doesn't work without the other. It may not be groundbreaking stuff
> but there will always be a market for the "get a takeaway, watch a movie"
> kind of show.
>
> It is a mark of the 'better than average' performer that they can
> push/pull/persuade an audience into accepting/enjoying more than the
> expected.
>
> There are many and varied reasons why this skill is rarer with women than
> men and I'm sure others will be quite happy to suggest these if they care
> to use their imaginations.
>
> >
> > Fun fact: I have been called 'a faggot' more times when I have been
> > juggling than when I have not...
>
> Ha, I've been mistaken for a bloke simply for being tall (sure my
> 'friends' will tell me if there are other reasons :).
>
>
> Lynne
>
>
>

My act is not very sexy, but I still think it's beautiful. Sexy isn't
really my character or my body type so that's not what I use in my act.
People say that my act is beautiful, they say that it's really feminine,
but I've never heard anyone say it's sexy. Maybe I've stumbled onto--or
created--one of those rare none sexual stage roles you're talking about
but honestly it's just not a quality that I have to sell... I'm not upset
or bothered by other women who do, it's just it's not what I have to offer
when I'm on stage. I have other tools available to me when I'm creating an
act so I use them instead.

Cate--feeling like she's not really added anything to this thread...

--Would anyone who saw my act in Montreal this weekend care to comment on
the sexual or nonsexual nature of my act? As the performer, I don't really
have good perspective.

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06 May 2008 13:04:43

lynne

Re: social desire

Le_lemGo wrote:
>
> And there are much fewer 'balls' jokes women can make....
>
> lemGo
>
Testicles are funny enough in their own right without my feeling the need
to make predictable gags about them.

Lynne
not above making predictable gags about most things

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06 May 2008 13:57:54

Bekah.Smith

Re: social desire

Le_lemGo wrote:
>
> lynne wrote:
> >
> > brianpdailey wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > What do you all think about performers being valued or devalued based on
> > > gender presentation?
> >
> > There aren't any neutral presentations. Some performers play up to their
> > native gender stereotypes others not so strongly. It can be done well or
> > otherwise but the quality of a performance doesn't depend on it. There
> > are just, traditionally, fewer recognised stage roles for women to choose
> > from should they want to adopt one of those standard characters.
>
> And there are much fewer 'balls' jokes women can make....
>
> lemGo
>

Oh I don't know about that. The "more balls than you" line works really
well coming from a female performer.

Bekah - Always proud to discuss testicles

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06 May 2008 14:13:17

Bekah.Smith

Re: social desire

> >
> > Men are pigs. I'm sure they go off on much worse tangents you don't hear
> > about. They think it's funny and it amuses them in the same sort of way
> > your juggling/unicycling amuses you. It is also revolting but I can't
> > imagine it changing anytime soon.
>
>
> > And all women are a pleasure to be around, barrel of laughs…..
>
>
>

An excellent point...women do/say some pretty nasty things as well.

How about another tangent for this thread: How different is a
predominantly female audience from one that's mostly made up of men? If
your average Joe Schmo likes to see sexy juggling in a performance, what
do women tend to enjoy? Would they want to see a man juggling sexily?
Are they put off by a female whose performance comes off this way, or do
they appreciate it as much as the men do?

Bekah

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06 May 2008 14:18:16

Little Paul

Re: social desire

On 2008-05-06, Bekah.Smith <smith.bekah@gmail.com.nospam.com > wrote:
>
> How about another tangent for this thread: How different is a
> predominantly female audience from one that's mostly made up of men? If
> your average Joe Schmo likes to see sexy juggling in a performance, what
> do women tend to enjoy? Would they want to see a man juggling sexily?

Hmm. Something strange happened then. I skim read that paragraph and
was convinced it contained the phrase "cup of tea" - which on closer
examination - it clearly doesn't.

-Paul
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06 May 2008 14:58:43

krista

Re: social desire

catiecat wrote:
>
> lynne wrote:
> >
> > brianpdailey wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > What do you all think about performers being valued or devalued based on
> > > gender presentation?
> >
> > There aren't any neutral presentations. Some performers play up to their
> > native gender stereotypes others not so strongly. It can be done well or
> > otherwise but the quality of a performance doesn't depend on it. There
> > are just, traditionally, fewer recognised stage roles for women to choose
> > from should they want to adopt one of those standard characters.
> >
> > > I was prompted to write this after reading the new 'Juggling Crib' comic,
> >
> > the pages of which, as far as I'm concerned, should remain stuck together
> > after the kids have (metaphorically?) wanked over them.
> >
> > > but i hope this to be a seperate
> > > discussion on what perspective or experiences some of you might have on
> > > this topic.
> >
> > Oh, alright then.
> >
> > > I have a few things
> > > to share that I'm sure are very limited so I really hope to open it up to
> > > everybody (particullarly those who
> > > may have unique experiences or perspectives to share).
> > >
> > > Just a recently I saw a show where I woman performer got a super great
> > > reception. She had a nice
> > > routine, but I think people were really celebrating her in terms of her
> > > sexyness. Maybe I was jealous,
> > > but I realy felt that If I had done her routine, in the way she had done
> > > it, that it would not have been very
> > > well liked at all (by the same audience). I am not saying it was a bad
> > > routine, or that there is anything
> > > wrong with any one acting sexy on stage. But I wonder if audiences are
> > > missing out on women who may
> > > not to play it up.
> >
> > There is some unwritten agreement between an audience and a performer -
> > one doesn't work without the other. It may not be groundbreaking stuff
> > but there will always be a market for the "get a takeaway, watch a movie"
> > kind of show.
> >
> > It is a mark of the 'better than average' performer that they can
> > push/pull/persuade an audience into accepting/enjoying more than the
> > expected.
> >
> > There are many and varied reasons why this skill is rarer with women than
> > men and I'm sure others will be quite happy to suggest these if they care
> > to use their imaginations.
> >
> > >
> > > Fun fact: I have been called 'a faggot' more times when I have been
> > > juggling than when I have not...
> >
> > Ha, I've been mistaken for a bloke simply for being tall (sure my
> > 'friends' will tell me if there are other reasons :).
> >
> >
> > Lynne
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> My act is not very sexy, but I still think it's beautiful. Sexy isn't
> really my character or my body type so that's not what I use in my act.
> People say that my act is beautiful, they say that it's really feminine,
> but I've never heard anyone say it's sexy. Maybe I've stumbled onto--or
> created--one of those rare none sexual stage roles you're talking about
> but honestly it's just not a quality that I have to sell... I'm not upset
> or bothered by other women who do, it's just it's not what I have to offer
> when I'm on stage. I have other tools available to me when I'm creating an
> act so I use them instead.
>
>
> Cate--feeling like she's not really added anything to this thread...
>
> --Would anyone who saw my act in Montreal this weekend care to comment on
> the sexual or nonsexual nature of my act? As the performer, I don't really
> have good perspective.
>

I saw your act in Montreal, and it is very beautiful. It's elegant and
powerful, but I didn't see it as
sexual, and it is a terrific act. There is a way to accomplish wonderful
things on stage as a female
performer with all the grace and femininity in the world without putting
sex into it. But then again, I
may not be as good a judge as to what is and isn't sexy to men. I think
some men no matter what will
find a way to make anything sexual if given the opportunity, but I think a
general audience is
intelligent enough to make the distinction between an act that is sexual
and one that isn't.

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06 May 2008 15:03:41

Little Paul

Re: social desire

On 2008-05-06, brianpdailey <brianpdailey@gmail.com.nospam.com > wrote:
>
> Just a recently I saw a show where I woman performer got a super great
> reception. She had a nice routine, but I think people were really
> celebrating her in terms of her sexyness. Maybe I was jealous,
> but I realy felt that If I had done her routine, in the way she had done
> it, that it would not have been very well liked at all (by the same audience).

I think for me it hinges on the performers intention.

I think that appearance is an important factor to consider when building
an act. If a woman is "sexy"[1] then I think she'd be a fool not to take
that into account when constructing her act. Likewise if a man is of
large build and has obvious muscles, it would be foolish for him to ignore
that fact when constructing his routine.

So from that point of view, I don't think there's anything wrong with
the situation you describe - if the perfomer sets out to convey a "sexy"
performance - and succeeds - marvelous! - Her appearance is part of the
package, part of the routine. If you don't have the body required to
emulate that success, then taking on the rest of the routine is a
waste of time as it wouldn't suit *you*

However

I have seen plenty of performances where the performers body is what
carries the act. I don't think that's the audiences fault, I think
that's the performer being lazy and relying on their body to wow the
audience. These acts do get reasonable responses, but can rarely
carry off a repeat viewing.

I'm as guilty as the next man of the "phwoar!" response to a performer
(albeit to different performers) although I am careful to seperate
the performer from the performance. I like to think I'd give an ugly
performer a standing ovation for a credible performance, but I'm not
likely to give an attractive performer a standing ovation for a poor
performance.

> Fun fact: I have been called 'a faggot' more times when I have been
> juggling than when I have not (even
> if you count junior high-school [that's 11 to 13 yrs or grades 7-8 in the
> u.s.])!

Odd. I've been called many things[2] although to my knowledge "faggot"
isn't one of them. And the only time where a stranger has openly
questioned my sexuality on the street was when some twat in a car
shouted "do you like it pink or brown" as he tried to mount the
pavement to run me over.

I'm just lucky I guess.

-Paul
[1] in a conventional sense that appeals to a wide range of drooling hetros

[2] lets see. bum bandit, chutney ferret, shirt lifter, arse rammer,
fart trapper, shit knocker, rider of the chocolate speedway, uphill
gardener, poof, gayer, knobjockey, queen, starfish trooper, arsetronaut,
helium heels and of course lumberjack.

06 May 2008 15:33:02

Bekah.Smith

Re: social desire

>
> [2] lets see. bum bandit, chutney ferret, shirt lifter, arse rammer,
> fart trapper, shit knocker, rider of the chocolate speedway, uphill
> gardener, poof, gayer, knobjockey, queen, starfish trooper, arsetronaut,
> helium heels and of course lumberjack.
>
>

Hehehe...these made me giggle almost as much as "private parts."

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06 May 2008 15:47:22

Bekah.Smith

Re: social desire

> My act is not very sexy, but I still think it's beautiful. Sexy isn't
> really my character or my body type so that's not what I use in my act.
> People say that my act is beautiful, they say that it's really feminine,
> but I've never heard anyone say it's sexy. Maybe I've stumbled onto--or
> created--one of those rare none sexual stage roles you're talking about
> but honestly it's just not a quality that I have to sell... I'm not upset
> or bothered by other women who do, it's just it's not what I have to offer
> when I'm on stage. I have other tools available to me when I'm creating an
> act so I use them instead.
>
>
> Cate--feeling like she's not really added anything to this thread...
>
> --Would anyone who saw my act in Montreal this weekend care to comment on
> the sexual or nonsexual nature of my act? As the performer, I don't really
> have good perspective.
>

I can't comment on your act since I wasn't there to see it, but I do
recall a friend who commented "Those are some sexy handstands!" after
watching one of your YouTube videos. I don't mean for him to seem like a
dirty, perverted pig or anything...if anything he's the polar opposite.
My point is that if your act doesn't come across as "sexy" to the
audience, it's not because the potential isn't there. So the fact that
you can draw the audience's attention away from their instinctive focus on
sex and give them a beautiful display of skill really says something about
your act.

Bekah

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06 May 2008 19:37:04

jani

Re: social desire

Little Paul wrote:

> [2] lets see. bum bandit, chutney ferret, shirt lifter, arse rammer,
> fart trapper, shit knocker, rider of the chocolate speedway, uphill
> gardener, poof, gayer, knobjockey, queen, starfish trooper, arsetronaut,
> helium heels and of course lumberjack.

"Arsetronaut" is brilliant. Possibly because in my mind, it is said in
the voice of Clive Tucker (who apparently changed his name to Jed Thomas
later):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCSIwevuF1c

Who said r.j. isn't educational?

jani, ARSE!

06 May 2008 17:12:22

lynne

Re: social desire

Little Paul wrote:

>...I've been called many things[2] although to my knowledge "faggot"
> isn't one of them...
>
> I'm just lucky I guess.
>
> -Paul

Faggot! :P

Not so lucky now eh, sweetie.

Lynne
one of *those* days

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06 May 2008 23:29:34

Philippe

Re: social desire

In my opinion, performers need to respect the audience, and as a result
I'd like to think that the audience will respect the performers. This is
how it works for me anyway. Sometimes you have to win your audience, but
at the end if your attitude is right, then the audience will relax and
enjoy what you are presenting....

Philippe The Juggler

Steven Ragatz wrote:
>
> ultimatewannabe wrote:
> >
> > Audiences are stupid, really really stupid. Try to think of the people in
> > the audiences as fourth graders who are really excited to have just heard
> > about sex. This is assumption will account for most audience behavior.
>
> This is just about the most arrogant and ego-centric thing I've seen
> written on rec.juggling.
>
> If you are performing, and think this about your audience, do everyone a
> favor and get the fuck off of the stage.
>
> Steven Ragatz
>
>

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07 May 2008 01:19:17

Emman

Re: social desire

> --Would anyone who saw my act in Montreal this weekend care to comment on
> the sexual or nonsexual nature of my act? As the performer, I don't really
> have good perspective.
>

It's just damn amazing if you ask me.

Emman
Who saw Cate's act last weekend.

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