06 Feb 2006 19:53:39
astro
what percentage of Americans can juggle?

can anyone make a good guess, or estimate, how many Americans can
qualify 3 balls? 5 balls? is this percentage about the same for the
rest of the world?

-astro



07 Feb 2006 05:17:28
CosmicJuggler
Re: what percentage of Americans can juggle?

astro wrote:
> can anyone make a good guess, or estimate, how many Americans can
> qualify 3 balls? 5 balls? is this percentage about the same for the
> rest of the world?

I get asked this all the time, and I think I can take a crack at it:

I think many people can qualify 3 balls, if they pick them up and start
trying with an hour. But counting it raw, I'd say that maybe 1 out of 50
people can juggle 3 balls to a qualify. Solid, the number drops to about
1 out of 100. 4 balls is substantially harder. And of everyone I know
who can juggle 3 balls solid, maybe 1 out of 20 of those can do a solid 4
ball fountain. So that gives us (at most), 1 out of 2000 people in the US
that can do a 4 ball fountain. I'd say this is an overestimate, and is
probably closer to 1 out of 5000.

5 balls is the holy grail of juggling, and only the most diciplined and
determined jugglers ever get to juggling 5 balls, as it again
exponentially harder than 4 balls.

I'd say there are less than 2000 people in the whole world who do a solid
5 ball cascade. And that's being generous. The number of solid 5 ball
jugglers is probably less than a 1000.



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07 Feb 2006 06:51:56
Max Price
Re: what percentage of Americans can juggle?

Max wrote:

i think it would be less then 1 out of 5000 that can juggle 5 balls. but i
also would think that there are more then 2000 people who can juggle a
solid 5 ball pattern, arn't there like 1,500 people who go to juggling
festivals in europe. I would think it would be less then 1 out of 5000
people who can juggle 5 balls because it is like saying that around 8
people can juggle 5 balls at a yankies or mariners game.
-max

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07 Feb 2006 11:30:54
Little Paul
Re: what percentage of Americans can juggle?

On 2006-02-07, astro <astrojgglr@yahoo.com > wrote:
> can anyone make a good guess, or estimate, how many Americans can
> qualify 3 balls? 5 balls?

Ask Bill Giduz - Every year, he asks a couple of hundred freshmen
students if they can juggle and draws some stats based on that.

The most recent results I can find are for 2001:
http://www.jugglingdb.com/news/article.php?id=%3CB7A1EF0A.70BC%giduz@bellsouth.net%3E

but that thread helpfully contains data for the 10 years previous to
that, which (if you wanted to) you could probably draw a graph of.

> is this percentage about the same for the
> rest of the world?

Some parts of it are probably broadly similar (Eg the UK, France,
Germany, Australia etc) some parts are most likely very diferent. I
would suspect that if you averaged out the entire population of the
planet, the average number of people who can juggle would be much lower
than in America.

-Paul


07 Feb 2006 11:40:09
Jay Linn
Re: what percentage of Americans can juggle?

CosmicJuggler wrote:

<snip >

> 5 balls is the holy grail of juggling, and only the most diciplined and
> determined jugglers ever get to juggling 5 balls, as it again
> exponentially harder than 4 balls.

Tell that to Jason!

... but wear a flameproof suit and a hard hat when you do.

> I'd say there are less than 2000 people in the whole world who do a solid
> 5 ball cascade. And that's being generous. The number of solid 5 ball
> jugglers is probably less than a 1000.

I reckon you're out by a country mile. Lots more people have qualified
5 balls, and many have it 'solid', whatever your particular benchmark
for that is.

Two decades ago, Soviet Russia had a network of circus schools
training jugglers to a high technical standard, many of whom would have
achieved a 'solid' five balls. I bet there must be many thousands that
have 5 balls solid, even accounting for those that will have died or
allowed their skills to lapse.

There are also circus schools training thousands of students in
Europe, China, North and South America, and elsewhere. Obviously, only
some students will get 5 solid, but that still mounts up to a big stack
of 5 ball jugglers.

--
Jay Linn

Yodaese makes my head hurt. Wise it sounds is meant to. But bollocks in
a different order it is.


08 Feb 2006 01:22:09
Kong King
Re: what percentage of Americans can juggle?


"Max Price" <maxthedude2003@yahoo.com.nospam > wrote in message
news:43e8438c$0$1175$bed64819@news.gradwell.net...
> Max wrote:
>
> i think it would be less then 1 out of 5000 that can juggle 5 balls. but i
> also would think that there are more then 2000 people who can juggle a
> solid 5 ball pattern, arn't there like 1,500 people who go to juggling
> festivals in europe.

3000+
But they don't all juggle 5 balls.




08 Feb 2006 01:25:17
Kong King
Re: what percentage of Americans can juggle?


"astro" <astrojgglr@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1139284419.330235.313670@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> can anyone make a good guess, or estimate, how many Americans can
> qualify 3 balls? 5 balls? is this percentage about the same for the
> rest of the world?
>

Let me guess. You're from America ?
And you're paranoid that you might not be the best at everything ?!
Well don't worry, you're not.

Oh, and Tonga has the most jugglers per capita.




07 Feb 2006 12:46:56
xfirebladex
Re: what percentage of Americans can juggle?

Kong King wrote:
> "astro" <astrojgglr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1139284419.330235.313670@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > can anyone make a good guess, or estimate, how many Americans can
> > qualify 3 balls? 5 balls? is this percentage about the same for the
> > rest of the world?
> >
>
> Let me guess. You're from America ?
> And you're paranoid that you might not be the best at everything ?!
> Well don't worry, you're not.

Ah, touché, strike that one.

> Oh, and Tonga has the most jugglers per capita.

Interesting, did not know that. How did that survey go around?
Just goes to show, that facts can be used to prove anything you want.

Chiok

www.gravityvomit.co.uk
(you won't get electrocuted if you pee on the third rail)

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07 Feb 2006 14:09:54
Guy G
Re: what percentage of Americans can juggle?

xfirebladex wrote:
> Kong King wrote:
>> "astro" <astrojgglr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1139284419.330235.313670@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>>> can anyone make a good guess, or estimate, how many Americans can
>>> qualify 3 balls? 5 balls? is this percentage about the same for the
>>> rest of the world?
>>>
>> Let me guess. You're from America ?
>> And you're paranoid that you might not be the best at everything ?!
>> Well don't worry, you're not.
>
> Ah, touché, strike that one.
>
>> Oh, and Tonga has the most jugglers per capita.
>
> Interesting, did not know that. How did that survey go around?
> Just goes to show, that facts can be used to prove anything you want.
>
> Chiok

I imagine that it was a guess, based on the fact that most young girls
shower some kind of nut as a game. There have been some posts on it in
the past, but frankly, I'm too lazy to find them for you.
Guy


07 Feb 2006 14:23:46
Little Paul
Re: what percentage of Americans can juggle?

On 2006-02-07, Guy G <guy.griffiths@rdg.nospam.ac.uk > wrote:
>
> I imagine that it was a guess, based on the fact that most young girls
> shower some kind of nut as a game.

I thought that was less common than it used to be? I'm sure I read
something about it falling out of favour and that it's seen as something
old people used to play - a bit like hoop rolling.

-Paul


07 Feb 2006 15:26:08
Guy G
Re: what percentage of Americans can juggle?

Little Paul wrote:
> On 2006-02-07, Guy G <guy.griffiths@rdg.nospam.ac.uk> wrote:
>> I imagine that it was a guess, based on the fact that most young girls
>> shower some kind of nut as a game.
>
> I thought that was less common than it used to be? I'm sure I read
> something about it falling out of favour and that it's seen as something
> old people used to play - a bit like hoop rolling.
>
> -Paul

Hmm, possibly. It rings a bell now that you say it, but frankly I'm
more suggestible than [insert witty stereotype for suggestibility here],
so it could just be that. I'm still too lazy to look it up though.


07 Feb 2006 15:32:39
Tommy Drake
Re: what percentage of Americans can juggle?

I would put 3 ball qualifiers at 1 in 10 people. You have to remember that there are a lot of naturally co-ordinated or athletic
people out there who can do a 3 ball cascade but simply don't. If you ask these people if they can juggle they would probably say
'no' or 'a little', but if you gave them 3 balls they would get 10 catches on the first try and could probably manage 30 within an
hour.
When I worked my theme park show I would average about 800 total audience members a day and I would always get at least 1 or 2 young
people (high-school or college age) to ask me how to do 4 balls. That means that 2 out of every 800 people who go to a theme park
and decide to see the juggling show are able to juggle 3 balls well enough that they have tried 4, but aren't naturally talented or
committed enough to juggling to figure it out on their own and are outgoing enough and have enough free time to stick around after
the show to ask the entertainer for tips.
Now, in all of my years and for all of my crowds only 1 person has come up to me after the show to say 'I can get 5 going, but 6 is
a nightmare, any tips?'. Keep in mind, I don't stick around to talk after every show, so there might have been quite a few 5 ballers
looking for me that never found me. Not to mention the numerous 5 ballers with soicial anxiety disorder who were afraid to introduce
themselves after the show. Now that I think about it, I have met a lot more jugglers since Paxil went on the market.
-tommy




07 Feb 2006 11:11:29
adremeaux
Re: what percentage of Americans can juggle?


Kong King wrote:
> Oh, and Tonga has the most jugglers per capita.


Err, no. Don't know where you got that stat. Yes, it is a cultural
past-time there, but at this point it has gotten pretty rare.

Now, they could very well still have the most, but there is no way
anyone will ever really be able to know that, and pulling stats out
your ass like that just gives people the complete wrong impression of
something they likely know little about (I hadn't even heard of it
before rec.juggling posts... I was lucky enough to spend a week there
last summer). I certainly haven't seen "can you juggle?" on the
American census, and, if Tonga even *had* something like a census, it
certainly wouldn't have a question the equivalent of "can you play
hop-scotch." It's a game over there, not a sport or a skill.

-andy



07 Feb 2006 14:10:41
adremeaux
Re: what percentage of Americans can juggle?


Little Paul wrote:
> On 2006-02-07, Guy G <guy.griffiths@rdg.nospam.ac.uk> wrote:
> >
> > I imagine that it was a guess, based on the fact that most young girls
> > shower some kind of nut as a game.
>
> I thought that was less common than it used to be? I'm sure I read
> something about it falling out of favour and that it's seen as something
> old people used to play - a bit like hoop rolling.
>
> -Paul

Yes, it has. I don't really know how common it used to be, as I was
never there, but asking around quite a bit a little over a year ago,
relatively few did it, and none did more than four.

Here are a couple pictures, in case anyone is curious:
http://www.pbase.com/dremeaux/image/33335798
http://www.pbase.com/dremeaux/image/33335780
http://www.pbase.com/dremeaux/image/33350677

-andy



08 Feb 2006 11:19:54
Kong King
Re: what percentage of Americans can juggle?


"adremeaux" <adremeaux@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1139339489.153887.199700@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> Kong King wrote:
>> Oh, and Tonga has the most jugglers per capita.
>
>
> Err, no. Don't know where you got that stat. Yes, it is a cultural
> past-time there, but at this point it has gotten pretty rare.
>

www.juggling.org/~conway/cohen/
http://www.juggling.org/museum/ethnography/tonga.html
www.pacificnavigator.com/tonga/abouttonga/sports.html

Go figure.







07 Feb 2006 20:17:25
adremeaux
Re: what percentage of Americans can juggle?


Kong King wrote:
> "adremeaux" <adremeaux@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1139339489.153887.199700@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Kong King wrote:
> >> Oh, and Tonga has the most jugglers per capita.
> >
> >
> > Err, no. Don't know where you got that stat. Yes, it is a cultural
> > past-time there, but at this point it has gotten pretty rare.
> >
>
> www.juggling.org/~conway/cohen/
> http://www.juggling.org/museum/ethnography/tonga.html
> www.pacificnavigator.com/tonga/abouttonga/sports.html
>
> Go figure.

Yeah, I've read those articles. I've been to the country, read lots
about it, and spoken to many Tongans first hand about it. I've watched
what is left of the players of their game. Keep in mind that article 18
years old now. Do you think American kids are still playing the same
schoolyard games now they were playing 20 years ago? Very doubtful.
Believe it or not, even extremely remote, unwesternized countries like
Tonga still feel the effects of globalization, and thus culture in a
place thats almost 99% native still is fading at a rapid rate in favor
of being more like the rest of the world (they have access to american
movies and tv... that's all it takes, really). There is also a huge
stress on getting good grades and making it to university abroad to
represent their country in their people in the global economy. Things
like that don't foster many bored hours in the yard playing with nuts.


On a slightly more sour note, I'd also like to note that nowhere in
those two articles (the last one doesn't work) does it say "Tonga has
the most jugglers per capita." You just assume that because an 18 year
old article says that almost every schoolgirl in Tonga juggles, that
that must be the most in the world. If you had said "it seems that..."
I wouldn't have given you much of a hard time at all. I'm always happy
to talk about Tonga though; it's a wonderful country full of great
people and I hope to do peace corps there one day.

-andy
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09 Feb 2006 00:24:00
Kong King
Re: what percentage of Americans can juggle?


"adremeaux" <adremeaux@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1139372245.044138.312210@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
> Kong King wrote:
>> "adremeaux" <adremeaux@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1139339489.153887.199700@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> >
>> > Kong King wrote:
>> >> Oh, and Tonga has the most jugglers per capita.
>> >
>> >
>> > Err, no. Don't know where you got that stat. Yes, it is a cultural
>> > past-time there, but at this point it has gotten pretty rare.
>> >
>>
>> www.juggling.org/~conway/cohen/
>> http://www.juggling.org/museum/ethnography/tonga.html
>> www.pacificnavigator.com/tonga/abouttonga/sports.html
>>
>> Go figure.
>
> Yeah, I've read those articles. I've been to the country, read lots
> about it, and spoken to many Tongans first hand about it. I've watched
> what is left of the players of their game. Keep in mind that article 18
> years old now. Do you think American kids are still playing the same
> schoolyard games now they were playing 20 years ago? Very doubtful.

Hopscotch, jumprope, tag, ball games, ...
No, you're probably right.
(cough)

> Believe it or not, even extremely remote, unwesternized countries like
> Tonga still feel the effects of globalization,

Please don't patronise me, or Tonga.


and thus culture in a
> place thats almost 99% native still is fading at a rapid rate in favor
> of being more like the rest of the world (they have access to american
> movies and tv... that's all it takes, really). There is also a huge
> stress on getting good grades and making it to university abroad to
> represent their country in their people in the global economy. Things
> like that don't foster many bored hours in the yard playing with nuts.
>
>
> On a slightly more sour note, I'd also like to note that nowhere in
> those two articles (the last one doesn't work) does it say "Tonga has
> the most jugglers per capita." You just assume that because an 18 year
> old article says that almost every schoolgirl in Tonga juggles, that
> that must be the most in the world. If you had said "it seems that..."
> I wouldn't have given you much of a hard time at all.


Pff. I was only trolling. You need to get out more.
BUT ...
If almost every schoolgirl juggled 18 years ago, they are mostly still alive
and can still juggle.
Certainly more per capita than any other country, and better 'statistics'
than any other shown here.
I rest my case.



I'm always happy
> to talk about Tonga though; it's a wonderful country full of great
> people and I hope to do peace corps there one day.

Peace Corps ? In Tonga ?
The Friendly Isles !?




08 Feb 2006 10:02:44
adremeaux
Re: what percentage of Americans can juggle?


Colin E. wrote:
> adremeaux wrote:
> > Kong King wrote:
> > > www.juggling.org/~conway/cohen/
> > > http://www.juggling.org/museum/ethnography/tonga.html
> > > www.pacificnavigator.com/tonga/abouttonga/sports.html
> > >
> > > Go figure.
> >
> > Yeah, I've read those articles. I've been to the country, read lots
> > about it, and spoken to many Tongans first hand about it. I've watched
> > what is left of the players of their game.
>
> Out of interest, Was it hard for you to find Tongans who still practice
> jugging? Was it just members of the older generation?
>

Yeah... I certainly saw no evidence of practicing. In a cultural event
we attended, there was a brief segment of a girl doing 3 on stage (and
is the one doing 4 in the picture I posted above), but it took much
prodding and explanation to even get that, and there were a good 10
girls of her age there that couldn't do it at all.

It certainly wasn't hard to get a classroom of children to stop doing
schoolwork for 15 minutes and come play (juggle) with us outside, but
out of the 25 or so kids, only 5 of them could do it, and only two of
those were doing 3 (the others did two). I found no other jugglers
there, though I certainly won't claim to ask everyone I saw. I asked a
good amount though, and I guess was slightly dissappointed that there
wasn't as much juggling as the referenced articles had made me think
there would be, which is why I've gotten worked up about people placing
outrageous claims and placing Tongans in some legendary status. Yes, I
am sure there are still people on the island(s) that can do 5, 6, maybe
even 7 nut shower, but they are few are far between, and the practice
certainly doesn't seem what it used to be.

> You described how modern culture was having an impact on the younger
> generation. I was wondering how great this impact has been.

Tonga is surely feeling the effects of global culture, though in terms
of style, attitude -- you know the things you asscociate with the
younger generation -- I don't think much has really changed at all. At
this point its more how their normal day to day activities have been
effected by technology, the demands of education, and the knowledge of
a "greater" world out there. 50 years ago, though Tongans I'm sure were
aware there was lots more outside their island, none ever saw it and
had little knowledge of it and it meant very little in their life.
Today, they are exposed to it every day, and driven towards it by their
elders for the promises it brings. Hell, children are now being taught
both English and Tongan from a very young age, and your average 10 y/o
will speak english much better than some random 40 y/o you pull off the
street (who probably won't speak a word). It is both happy and sad, as
it is good to see polynesia coming into the world in a more global
scale, as they are a wonderful and unique people, but never fun to see
rich culture dwindel.


-andy



09 Feb 2006 07:26:17
Jason Kollum
Re: what percentage of Americans can juggle?

At various shows I've done, I have some people who came up to me and
asked me to try, and could do a very shaky 3 ball qualify with horrible
form, ie straight arms instead of scooping motion, while intensly
concentrating on the pattern, as opposed to casually juggling. I'm
sure there are others who could juggle 3 who just didn't come up to me
and ask me if they could try. I've met some people who have worked on
4 balls before, who asked me what the proper way to learn was, because
they were never able to do it.

I've never met a random audience member or bystander nearby who could
juggle 5. I've been asked how one goes about juggling 5, but never
have seen a "non-juggler" who taught himself 5.

Jason



09 Feb 2006 07:26:20
Jason Kollum
Re: what percentage of Americans can juggle?

At various shows I've done, I have some people who came up to me and
asked me to try, and could do a very shaky 3 ball qualify with horrible
form, ie straight arms instead of scooping motion, while intensly
concentrating on the pattern, as opposed to casually juggling. I'm
sure there are others who could juggle 3 who just didn't come up to me
and ask me if they could try. I've met some people who have worked on
4 balls before, who asked me what the proper way to learn was, because
they were never able to do it.

I've never met a random audience member or bystander nearby who could
juggle 5. I've been asked how one goes about juggling 5, but never
have seen a "non-juggler" who taught himself 5.

Jason



09 Feb 2006 10:54:10
dazzling
Re: what percentage of Americans can juggle?


"Jason Kollum" <jdkollum@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1139498777.081521.109090@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> At various shows I've done, I have some people who came up to me and
> asked me to try, and could do a very shaky 3 ball qualify with horrible
> form, ie straight arms instead of scooping motion, while intensly
> concentrating on the pattern, as opposed to casually juggling. I'm
> sure there are others who could juggle 3 who just didn't come up to me
> and ask me if they could try. I've met some people who have worked on
> 4 balls before, who asked me what the proper way to learn was, because
> they were never able to do it.
>
> I've never met a random audience member or bystander nearby who could
> juggle 5. I've been asked how one goes about juggling 5, but never
> have seen a "non-juggler" who taught himself 5.
>
> Jason

I have a cousin Jennifer Mills, who is an excellent athlete, say that one
day she juggled up to 4 but she had trouble doing 5, she could only keep 5
going for about 10 throws. When she demonstrated Jen was doing perfect 3,
and 4 showers! Her 5 was not good and she could not achieve the 10 throws
for me but, it was a one and only try thing! Very awesome. she did not
understand the cascade.

Steve Mills
>




09 Feb 2006 18:22:26
Martin Frost me at invalid sta
Re: what percentage of Americans can juggle?

"Jason Kollum" <jdkollum@yahoo.com > writes:

> At various shows I've done, I have some people who came up to me and
> asked me to try, and could do a very shaky 3 ball qualify with horrible
> form, ie straight arms instead of scooping motion, while intensly
> concentrating on the pattern, as opposed to casually juggling. I'm
> sure there are others who could juggle 3 who just didn't come up to me
> and ask me if they could try. I've met some people who have worked on
> 4 balls before, who asked me what the proper way to learn was, because
> they were never able to do it.
>
> I've never met a random audience member or bystander nearby who could
> juggle 5.

Even at a juggling festival? (;-)

> I've been asked how one goes about juggling 5, but never
> have seen a "non-juggler" who taught himself 5.

What's a "non-juggler"? If you mean someone who can't juggle, well,
of course you haven't seen such a person who could juggle 5! As soon
as someone has taught himself or herself 5, he or she is certainly not
a non-juggler (and before that when they can do 4 or 3)!

Martin


10 Feb 2006 09:30:18
Jason Kollum
Re: what percentage of Americans can juggle?

As far as "non-juggler" I'm thinking of people who can juggle, ie who
know how to but don't ever do it. I think of jugglers being those who
juggle all the time for pleasure/business. I'm just thinking of the
two differently.



10 Feb 2006 09:30:22
Jason Kollum
Re: what percentage of Americans can juggle?

As far as "non-juggler" I'm thinking of people who can juggle, ie who
know how to but don't ever do it. I think of jugglers being those who
juggle all the time for pleasure/business. I'm just thinking of the
two differently.



10 Feb 2006 11:15:14
adremeaux
Re: what percentage of Americans can juggle?


Jason Kollum wrote:
> As far as "non-juggler" I'm thinking of people who can juggle, ie who
> know how to but don't ever do it. I think of jugglers being those who
> juggle all the time for pleasure/business. I'm just thinking of the
> two differently.

I think all this double posting is just an excuse to raise your post
count.

-andy



10 Feb 2006 11:15:29
adremeaux
Re: what percentage of Americans can juggle?


Jason Kollum wrote:
> As far as "non-juggler" I'm thinking of people who can juggle, ie who
> know how to but don't ever do it. I think of jugglers being those who
> juggle all the time for pleasure/business. I'm just thinking of the
> two differently.

I think all this double posting is just an excuse to raise your post
count.

-andy



10 Feb 2006 11:21:20
Jason Kollum
Re: what percentage of Americans can juggle?

I'm not doing it. I don't know wny its double posting. If I really
wanted to raise my post count, I'd respond to every post on
rec.juggling, not just double post. So, if this post that you're
reading now posts twice, I'll blame it on the google interface.

Jason


adremeaux wrote:
> Jason Kollum wrote:
> > As far as "non-juggler" I'm thinking of people who can juggle, ie who
> > know how to but don't ever do it. I think of jugglers being those who
> > juggle all the time for pleasure/business. I'm just thinking of the
> > two differently.
>
> I think all this double posting is just an excuse to raise your post
> count.
>
> -andy



10 Feb 2006 11:21:28
Jason Kollum
Re: what percentage of Americans can juggle?

I'm not doing it. I don't know wny its double posting. If I really
wanted to raise my post count, I'd respond to every post on
rec.juggling, not just double post. So, if this post that you're
reading now posts twice, I'll blame it on the google interface.

Jason


adremeaux wrote:
> Jason Kollum wrote:
> > As far as "non-juggler" I'm thinking of people who can juggle, ie who
> > know how to but don't ever do it. I think of jugglers being those who
> > juggle all the time for pleasure/business. I'm just thinking of the
> > two differently.
>
> I think all this double posting is just an excuse to raise your post
> count.
>
> -andy



10 Feb 2006 19:55:14
Rory Parle
Re: what percentage of Americans can juggle?

Jason Kollum wrote:
> I'm not doing it. I don't know wny its double posting. If I really
> wanted to raise my post count, I'd respond to every post on
> rec.juggling, not just double post. So, if this post that you're
> reading now posts twice, I'll blame it on the google interface.
>
> Jason
>
>
> adremeaux wrote:
>> Jason Kollum wrote:
>>> As far as "non-juggler" I'm thinking of people who can juggle, ie who
>>> know how to but don't ever do it. I think of jugglers being those who
>>> juggle all the time for pleasure/business. I'm just thinking of the
>>> two differently.
>> I think all this double posting is just an excuse to raise your post
>> count.
>>
>> -andy
>

Presumably you'll blame you top-posting on the Google interface also?

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