02 Sep 2003 11:50:01
Kirk Lawson
Bodhidarma was a black man - Ancient Afrikan Origins of the Martial Arts

This was also posted to the [Exoticweapons] list.

Bet you didn't know that the fabled First Emperor of China AND Bodhidarma were
both black men.

:P

Peace favor your sword (IH)
--
"In these modern times, many men are wounded for not having weapons or knowledge
of their use."
-Achille Marozzo, 1536
--
"...it's the nature of the media and the participants. A herd of martial artists
gets together and a fight breaks out; quelle surprise."
-Chas Speaking of rec.martial-arts

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Original Subject:
[Exoticweapons] Ancient Afrikan Origins of the Martial Arts (Essay)

Ancient Afrikan Origins
of the
Martial Arts

Most of us, including those who are students of the Arts, believe
that the Arts originated in Asia, specifically in China, Japan,
Korea, Thailand, or another Asian country. This belief permeates
martial arts to the extent that many Afrikan martial arts disciples
prefer to dress in the Asian manner as many of their favorite Asian
martial artists did. However, despite the preeminence of the Asian
countries in the martial arts world, the true birthplace of the
martial arts is in Ancient Afrika!!!

How do we know this? Well, let's go back, wa-y-y-y- y back in time
to 2,600 BCE (Before the Current Era), or approximately 4,600years
ago. And let's travel to Kemet (Egypt) and visit the tomb of
IMHOTEP, the world 's first physician, and designer of the world's
first Pyramid. He was also a priest, poet, and was acclaimed as the
world's first multi-genius. In his tomb are stone wall carvings of
warriors using a variety of wrestling holds, throws, kicks, punches
and other fighting techniques. In addition, in a section of present-
day Egypt called Beni Hasan are the Tombs of several Kemetic
Governors who lived 4,200 years ago. Inscribed in these tombs are
illustrations of over 500 pairs of wrestlers and other warriors
demonstrating weapons including the lance and short sticks.
Together, these carvings constitute the ancient records of the
world's first martial arts system!!

Afrikans had discovered very early in time that the movements of
animals and incorporation of the 'animal principle' in the
consciousness could be used to develop an unconquerable fighting
force. Animal symbology has always played a large role in ancient
Kemet, particularly in the spiritual life of Kemet. The ancient
Kemetics had long ago developed an understanding of the vital energy
of the soul called "chi" in Chinese, "ki" in Japanese and "ka" in
the Mdw Ndw writing of ancient Kemet.

Now, back to Asia, and China, in particular. The first Chinese
Emperor was the legendary Fu-Hsi, who lived approximately 4,900
years ago, and was a wooly haired Black man! Although, there may
have been traces of a martial influence in China 3,500 years ago,
the martial arts tradition now recognized as Chinese began in 500 CE
under the influence of a Black Dravidian and Buddhist Priest from
India, named Bodhidharma. Bodhidharma, also known as Dharuma in
Japanese chronicles, founded Zen Buddhism in China. He taught the
monks at the Shaolin Temple a set of exercises, movements, and
breathing techniques which became known as the Shaolin ch'uan fa
(temple boxing), or 18 Hands of Lo Han, which formed the basis of
Chinese Shaolin Kung-fu and later, Japanese Karate. We credit the
Chinese for continuing and improving the martial traditions given to
them by Bodhidharma.

Continental Afrikans , however, still practice their own ancient
martial arts styles, and also did so while enslaved in the Western
Hemisphere. This tradition also still thrives in the
Afrikan/Brazillian martial arts style known as Capoeira.

Thus, again, we see that the world owes a tremendous debt to our
Afrikan ancestors for yet another monumental, although unrecognized,
contribution they made to human civilization. The words of an old
Japanese proverb should help us to bear this contribution in
mind, "A Samurai, to be brave, must have a little Black blood".

Kwasi Imhotep

Bibliography:
Finch, Charles S., III, MD, Echoes of the Old Dark Land
Nigel BPG, Nuba Wrestling-The African Origins of the Martial Arts
Revisited
Van Sertima, Ivan & Rashidi, Runoko, African Presence in Early Asia

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02 Sep 2003 16:28:08
Mark Goldberg
Re: Bodhidarma was a black man - Ancient Afrikan Origins of the Martial

Kirk Lawson wrote:

> "A Samurai, to be brave, must have a little Black blood".
>
>Kwasi Imhotep
>
>Bibliography:
>Finch, Charles S., III, MD, Echoes of the Old Dark Land
>Nigel BPG, Nuba Wrestling-The African Origins of the Martial Arts
>Revisited
>Van Sertima, Ivan & Rashidi, Runoko, African Presence in Early Asia
>
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>
>
and those of us who read this must possess a bit of black humor in order
to reach the end of the article.
Now pass the intellectual suntan lotion- I'm getting a burn :^))

Mark



02 Sep 2003 15:12:47
Bert Alfred
Re: Bodhidarma was a black man - Ancient Afrikan Origins of the Martial Arts

Kirk Lawson <NO_lklawson_SPAM@heapy.com_SPAMSUX > wrote in message news:<3F54BC29.AE33D799@heapy.com_SPAMSUX>...

That was an easy one. Near the top was the obscure extremist "BCE" instead of BC.

Instant tip off that pure bullshit was to follow.

bert


03 Sep 2003 01:01:46
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Re: Bodhidarma was a black man - Ancient Afrikan Origins of the Martial Arts

On 2 Sep 2003 15:12:47 -0700, bertalfred@hotmail.com (Bert Alfred) wrote:

>Kirk Lawson <NO_lklawson_SPAM@heapy.com_SPAMSUX> wrote in message news:<3F54BC29.AE33D799@heapy.com_SPAMSUX>...
>
>That was an easy one. Near the top was the obscure extremist "BCE" instead of BC.

what the meaning:

Before Coloreds

into Before Coloreds Emigrated?

>
>Instant tip off that pure bullshit was to follow.
>
>bert



02 Sep 2003 19:35:17
ordosclan
Re: Bodhidarma was a black man - Ancient Afrikan Origins of the Martial Arts

Kirk Lawson <NO_lklawson_SPAM@heapy.com_SPAMSUX > wrote in message news:<3F54BC29.AE33D799@heapy.com_SPAMSUX>...

> This was also posted to the [Exoticweapons] list.
>
> Bet you didn't know that the fabled First Emperor of China AND Bodhidarma were
> both black men.
>
> :P
>
> Peace favor your sword (IH)


This is a sick joke. More junk "science" in the name of theorys of
origin. Which is a product of the monotheistic viewpoint. To find a
prima cause for everything. The oldest human is in africa (but the
oldest mammal was found in mongolia and a mongolian body was found in
n. america, while a euro-peon body is found is s. america). So all
life spread from africa right? Ignoring obvious disparitys of
cultural phenomenon like language, music, ect. A big one is religon
and world view.

Ironically, the economic, political and social "sciences" all
acknowlege that patterns in civilization run in cycles. Events in
different cultures and reigons occur paralell and any attept to
connect them in one "line" is... words cannot begin to describe how
utterly stupid and ubsurd this is.

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> Original Subject:
> [Exoticweapons] Ancient Afrikan Origins of the Martial Arts (Essay)
>
> Ancient Afrikan Origins
> of the
> Martial Arts
>
> Most of us, including those who are students of the Arts, believe
> that the Arts originated in Asia, specifically in China, Japan,
> Korea, Thailand, or another Asian country. This belief permeates
> martial arts to the extent that many Afrikan martial arts disciples
> prefer to dress in the Asian manner as many of their favorite Asian
> martial artists did. However, despite the preeminence of the Asian

We call them "rice niggers". Its a joke of course.

> countries in the martial arts world, the true birthplace of the
> martial arts is in Ancient Afrika!!!

Horseshit. We could go right down to language and religon. Space
could does not allow for me to go into this into too much detail here.
But suffice to say I can (and will) personally pull the plug on this
particular piece of stinking dogshit.

The romans didnt use serial numbers. They didnt have a concept of
space (zeros, decimalization, space). Nor did the greeks. They made
serious hApplication of 1 and zero to language gives us an interesting
pattern (yang and yin) appled to the basic components of language.

There is a clear line of division between the worlds. The technical
term here is Grammatical model. Its your thoughts and inner language
which ultimatly orientates your behavior and actions in the outside
world.

From a standpoit of grammatical orientation (and several other
modalitys), the language and people classifyed under Indo-european
(hindu, tamil, dravidian, dont forget the cushites), africans, people
of the med. (greeks, romans) are basically closer in viewpoint to each
other than any "easterners". Period. Including eskimo's, siberians
and many polynesians. Their orientation is totally different (brings
new meaning to Oriental). Even the greeks thought the soul goes DOWN
when you die. Confucious would call this a "reversal of heaven".

Serial numbers just didnt happen. What you understand about numbers
and mathematics taught at school fits in a thimble. Want to find a
cause for these whole number effects? Delve into 4,000 of vedic
sciences.

This is like saying there is ONE music theory. Sure if you ignore
anyone elses cultural and ethnopoetic contributions..... "Music is
math" Also a load of garbage. Drumming isnt music. Yet without a
center there is no music. A percussion insturment can have a center
hit and a side hit (binary drum). Helloooo 1's and zero's have little
function in complex systems or absolute concepts of math.

Pythagoras even admitted that 1 and 0 was "invisible". Maaaaaaaaaan
talk about opening a can of worms.

> How do we know this? Well, let's go back, wa-y-y-y- y back in time

"Waaaay back" is that a scientific term?

> to 2,600 BCE (Before the Current Era), or approximately 4,600years
> ago. And let's travel to Kemet (Egypt) and visit the tomb of
> IMHOTEP, the world 's first physician, and designer of the world's
> first Pyramid. He was also a priest, poet, and was acclaimed as the
> world's first multi-genius. In his tomb are stone wall carvings of
> warriors using a variety of wrestling holds, throws, kicks, punches
> and other fighting techniques. In addition, in a section of present-

And pictures of people with heads of animals, giant bugs rolling balls
of shit and people with fire coming out of their assholes.

> day Egypt called Beni Hasan are the Tombs of several Kemetic
> Governors who lived 4,200 years ago. Inscribed in these tombs are
> illustrations of over 500 pairs of wrestlers and other warriors
> demonstrating weapons including the lance and short sticks.
> Together, these carvings constitute the ancient records of the
> world's first martial arts system!!

Which would be called what exactly? Oh of course i'm sure it was
taught to pesants and commonfolk.

> Afrikans had discovered very early in time that the movements of
> animals and incorporation of the 'animal principle' in the
> consciousness could be used to develop an unconquerable fighting
> force. Animal symbology has always played a large role in ancient

So early that africa was mostly jungle then, which it has not been for
quite some time. Putting this at a point in history somewhere between
the first and 2nd books of the bible..... That saudi arabian desert
which has grown quite large is supposed to be the creation of adam and
eve.

> Kemet, particularly in the spiritual life of Kemet. The ancient
> Kemetics had long ago developed an understanding of the vital energy
> of the soul called "chi" in Chinese, "ki" in Japanese and "ka" in
> the Mdw Ndw writing of ancient Kemet.

Actually the egyptians called it VITIC force. Or VEDIC force. The
oldest texts of philosophy going back to the 1500bc.... The library
of alexandria was burned by catholic missionarys... I doubt anyone
can credibly comment on egyptian this or that without mentioning a
shred of legitimizing reference material except some silly associative
interpretation of tomb graffiti and hieroglyphs.

> Now, back to Asia, and China, in particular. The first Chinese
> Emperor was the legendary Fu-Hsi, who lived approximately 4,900
> years ago, and was a wooly haired Black man! Although, there may

Rediculous. Fuxi and Niuwa were the chinese equivalents of "adam and
eve". This is well covered in canon as well in the myths of Vishnu
and Lakishma.... This is myth and legend which may have basis in
reality.

They werent even supposed to be human. Research a bit and look into
that snake body thing and the 'children of the serpent' and the
decendants of cain. How stupid is this guy? Is he a fucking moron?

> have been traces of a martial influence in China 3,500 years ago,
> the martial arts tradition now recognized as Chinese began in 500 CE
> under the influence of a Black Dravidian and Buddhist Priest from

1) all dravidians are dark complected.
2) bodhidharma was brahmin
3) dravidians, tamils and other indo-europeans in culture, language,
genetics, outlook, ect are diametrically opposed to anything brahmin
or vedic.

Wooly haired? Thats a new one.

> India, named Bodhidharma. Bodhidharma, also known as Dharuma in
> Japanese chronicles, founded Zen Buddhism in China. He taught the

Bullshit. More myths. Someone forgot the "all martial arts come from
zen" line.

> monks at the Shaolin Temple a set of exercises, movements, and
> breathing techniques which became known as the Shaolin ch'uan fa
> (temple boxing), or 18 Hands of Lo Han, which formed the basis of
> Chinese Shaolin Kung-fu and later, Japanese Karate. We credit the
> Chinese for continuing and improving the martial traditions given to
> them by Bodhidharma.

3 generations benefited from this transmition. Maybe. Zen does a
pretty good job of muddying the waters of the bodhidharma chronicle.

> Continental Afrikans , however, still practice their own ancient
> martial arts styles, and also did so while enslaved in the Western
> Hemisphere. This tradition also still thrives in the
> Afrikan/Brazillian martial arts style known as Capoeira.

Looks like breakdancing. Funny no one heard of it before they made a
movie about it.

> Thus, again, we see that the world owes a tremendous debt to our
> Afrikan ancestors for yet another monumental, although unrecognized,
> contribution they made to human civilization. The words of an old

Even if it was true. Its not much of a contribution. American
indians have martial arts, look what it got them.

> Japanese proverb should help us to bear this contribution in
> mind, "A Samurai, to be brave, must have a little Black blood".

What? Is this a joke?

> Kwasi Imhotep
>
> Bibliography:
> Finch, Charles S., III, MD, Echoes of the Old Dark Land
> Nigel BPG, Nuba Wrestling-The African Origins of the Martial Arts
> Revisited
> Van Sertima, Ivan & Rashidi, Runoko, African Presence in Early Asia

Yeah he got his "creative nonfiction" book/article published. Another
unemployed genius i'm sure....

ordosclan@mail.hongkong.com


02 Sep 2003 19:47:38
ordosclan
Re: Bodhidarma was a black man - Ancient Afrikan Origins of the Martial Arts

bertalfred@hotmail.com (Bert Alfred) wrote in message news:<c13e72.0309021412.7c9b691b@posting.google.com >...

> Kirk Lawson <NO_lklawson_SPAM@heapy.com_SPAMSUX> wrote in message news:<3F54BC29.AE33D799@heapy.com_SPAMSUX>...
>
> That was an easy one. Near the top was the obscure extremist "BCE" instead of BC.
>
> Instant tip off that pure bullshit was to follow.
>
> bert

Problem is this theory has made a comeback. There were apparently
"black people" in ancient china. Hell, everyone knows this. We call
them laotians/cambodians. And someone supposedly proved there was a
black emporer. I heard of chinese jews (is nothing sacred?). Out in
the pacific there are "blacks" on those islands. Look at australia.
But they arent nessessarily africans. Pygmys dont make great
warriors.

ordosclan@mail.hongkong.com