04 May 2008 07:09:45

Herbert Cannon

New Orleans after Katrina

http://www.nraila.org/Multimedia/MMPlayer_Set.aspx?ID=105

04 May 2008 05:49:19

Renli

Re: New Orleans after Katrina

On May 4, 8:09 pm, "Herbert Cannon" <hcanno...@cox.net > wrote: > http://www.nraila.org/Multimedia/MMPlayer_Set.aspx?ID=105 Kinda makes you wanna immigrate to the USA just to join the NRA. -

04 May 2008 17:49:01

Wayne Dobson

Re: New Orleans after Katrina

Herbert Cannon wrote: > http://www.nraila.org/Multimedia/MMPlayer_Set.aspx?ID=105 *Video of a pair Hueys descending on New Orleans with machine guns protruding from the side* *Bang, bang* "Police! Open up the door!" "I had AR-15s or M-16s; they were pointing at us." "They told us, 'Put your hands up in the air! Let us see your hands!': "They're drawing down on me, and they let the looters run rampant for over a week!? Are you kidding me!?" ... "I really thought they were going to kill me... I really did" ... "They really didn't care what your rights were... they were going to deny 'em." ... "You're letting the thugs get away with everything, and you're coming to honest, good citizens and taking away their protection? And it is wrong... wrong... wrong!" "But, still, the order had been given for police and National Guard to go house to house, often with guns drawn, to evacuate residents and confiscate their firearms." ... "Nobody will be able to be armed. We will take all weapons." ... "Patty Konie is still trying to recover, physically and emotionally.... 'They really did a number on me.' - Patty ...from the day that police forced her from her home It was surrounded. All of a sudden they were banging on the fron, the side door and the back door. They said "Let us in!" "Patty tried to explain: she was on dried land; she had plenty of food and water and she didn't want to abandon her dogs. But it didn't matter. 'When you see six or eight police that look like linebackers, pushing you in a corner, you're in shock' - Patty" ... "Well, they punched me in the face. Look at my black and blue marks. Look at what they did to me. They dragged me out of here. How could this happen in America?" - Patty ... "You're treated like a criminal and you did nothing wrong. Your rights are really out the window." - victim of gun confiscation ... "What I feel is that we are losing control of who we are as a nation." Have you woken up yet, Herb? -- Wayne Dobson AKA "Dobbie The House Elf"

04 May 2008 14:01:14

Herbert Cannon

Re: New Orleans after Katrina

> > Have you woken up yet, Herb? Long before you did Wane - you need to look into my gun safes. Remind me again what can own: You can't have it both ways! From a UK newspaper: "The number of armed police officers accidentally shooting themselves , and colleagues, has soared in the past five years. Now, nearly half of all injuries caused by police shootings are the result of officers blasting themselves or a colleague, often during bungled training and demonstrations... these disturbing statistics call into question competence and training " Comment: Do they ever! As British police are, of necessity, increasingly armed, they are also increasingly embarrassed with the arrogant criticism they've so self-righteously leveled at American police over the years for being likewise armed. It seems the chickens have now come home to roost! Unfortunately, as UK police surreptitiously acquire rifles and pistols, they' ve discovered that there is no one to provide them with competent training, since UK's once-proud Gun Culture, indeed their entire Warrior Culture, has been long-since suffocated by paranoid politicians who, like politicians everywhere, are frightened to death of armed citizens. The entire body of modern gun knowledge, that we take for granted in America, is unavailable to them. And, they are so apprehensive of it, and us, they're too frightened, proud, and ashamed to ask for "dangerous enlightenment." They are much more comfortable with "safe ignorance," even while shooting themselves with embarrassing frequency! Newly-armed cops, who heretofore knew little about guns, have as "instructors " only irrelevant, ossified target shooters, who also know little about guns, nothing about fighting, and absolutely nothing about safe gun-handling, concealed-carry, and living with guns. In addition, UK politicians don't trust cops any more than they trust citizens. So, there is precious little live-fire training, and "armed" cops are only armed when working. Continuous concealed carrying is reserved for only an "elite" few. The rest have little opportunity to become familiar with their guns. They only get to be afraid of them. There will be no improvement in the UK any time soon, because there is no political benefit associated with gun-competence getting any better . Although newspapers consider this ND epidemic a "problem," politicians don't, so long as they personally are not endangered. A few injured officers and citizens are useful fodder for crocodile-tear speeches, but are otherwise of no real concern. As always, nothing will change, until citizens demand it.