Punishing a stupid kid

02 May 2008 07:20:42

Renli

So after ten months of parking my bike without locking it up, some
stupid kid decided to steal my odometer. It's one of those fancy cat-
eye digital deals that does everything - even calories. It's worth a
pretty penny, about half the cost of my bike.

Unfortunately for the thief, this kid was caught by three high quality
color cameras- frontal on the approach, from the side snatching it,
and from behind casually walking away. Hi definition, baby. We know
what school the kid goes to, we know how tall, we have a face, we even
have the student id number from the front of the shirt.

In a city like this, this never happens. An elite school student
stealing from a foreigner? Front page news. The kid is going to be
scared shitless. Her school opens at 8:30am on Monday and I'm gonna be
there. We have pictures and video. I almost feel sorry for her, since
when the parents find out that kid is probably going to get beaten
unconscious.

Any ideas on how I should play this? Man that kid is in so much shit -
lol - it's totally different here. In Toronto the police would laugh
something like this off, would have given me some kind of bullshit
platitude and moved on. But here, hmm, there will probably be mugshots
and posters, even though the kid is likely 10 or 12. I'm wondering if
I should show up with the police or just have her kicked out of
school. My wife says it's probably legal if I beat the shit out of her
but that I should have a policeman with me to make sure I don't step
over the line and kill her.

Any thoughts?

-

02 May 2008 07:30:52

Mike

Re: Punishing a stupid kid

On May 2, 10:20=A0am, Renli <oliver.rich...@gmail.com > wrote:

> school. My wife says it's probably legal if I beat the shit out of her
> but that I should have a policeman with me to make sure I don't step
> over the line and kill her.

What?

A cop is going to stand there and watch while you beat up a kid?

-Mike K.

02 May 2008 07:37:56

Mike

Re: Punishing a stupid kid

On May 2, 10:20=A0am, Renli <oliver.rich...@gmail.com > wrote:

> In a city like this, this never happens. An elite school student
> stealing from a foreigner? Front page news. The kid is going to be
> scared shitless. Her school opens at 8:30am on Monday and I'm gonna be
> there. We have pictures and video. I almost feel sorry for her, since
> when the parents find out that kid is probably going to get beaten
> unconscious.

What what?

You're goingto beat her up for a ten bit item?

-Mike K.

02 May 2008 14:43:46

Pboud

Re: Punishing a stupid kid

Mike wrote:
> On May 2, 10:20 am, Renli <oliver.rich...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> In a city like this, this never happens. An elite school student
>> stealing from a foreigner? Front page news. The kid is going to be
>> scared shitless. Her school opens at 8:30am on Monday and I'm gonna be
>> there. We have pictures and video. I almost feel sorry for her, since
>> when the parents find out that kid is probably going to get beaten
>> unconscious.
>
> What what?
>
> You're goingto beat her up for a ten bit item?
>
> -Mike K.
Actually, if you look carefully, he says "when the parents find out",
intimating the parents will do this. (he *does* talk about beating her
up for a ten bit item later, but not in the area you quoted)

P.

02 May 2008 07:52:29

Renli

Re: Punishing a stupid kid

On May 2, 10:43 pm, Pboud <pboud_01NOSPA...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> Mike wrote:
> > On May 2, 10:20 am, Renli <oliver.rich...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> In a city like this, this never happens. An elite school student
> >> stealing from a foreigner? Front page news. The kid is going to be
> >> scared shitless. Her school opens at 8:30am on Monday and I'm gonna be
> >> there. We have pictures and video. I almost feel sorry for her, since
> >> when the parents find out that kid is probably going to get beaten
> >> unconscious.
>
> > What what?
>
> > You're goingto beat her up for a ten bit item?
>
> > -Mike K.
>
> Actually, if you look carefully, he says "when the parents find out",
> intimating the parents will do this. (he *does* talk about beating her
> up for a ten bit item later, but not in the area you quoted)
>
> P.

Oh, mike is replying to my post? Didn't see it, I'm on the comp I
killfiled him on. Yes, that is precisely right Pboud, I did mean that
the parents will be doing it, that's pretty much standard practice
here.

In response to mike's ridiculously dense question however.. No.. I'm
not going to beat the kid up while a cop is watching - Lol. I mean
come on. Oh well - even after all this time, Mike still manages to
surprise me at times with these kind of obtuse questions. I guess I
still haven't decided if he's playing stupid or if he really doesn't
get it o_O

-

02 May 2008 09:56:53

Herbert Cannon

Re: Punishing a stupid kid

> In response to mike's ridiculously dense question however.. No.. I'm
> not going to beat the kid up while a cop is watching - Lol. I mean
> come on. Oh well - even after all this time, Mike still manages to
> surprise me at times with these kind of obtuse questions. I guess I
> still haven't decided if he's playing stupid or if he really doesn't
> get it o_O

"My wife says it's probably legal if I beat the shit out of her
> but that I should have a policeman with me to make sure I don't step
> over the line and kill her."

02 May 2008 16:04:44

Greendistantstar

Re: Punishing a stupid kid

"Mike" <mkornecki2000@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:93e53527-6d8d-4929-8e9e-1f3ee3427f0e@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
On May 2, 10:20 am, Renli <oliver.rich...@gmail.com > wrote:

> school. My wife says it's probably legal if I beat the shit out of her
> but that I should have a policeman with me to make sure I don't step
> over the line and kill her.

What?

A cop is going to stand there and watch while you beat up a kid?

-Mike K.

Assuming the kid doesn't hand Ollie his ass....

The kid ftw!
--
GDS

"Let's roll!"

02 May 2008 16:42:32

Pboud

Re: Punishing a stupid kid

Greendistantstar wrote:
> "Mike" <mkornecki2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:93e53527-6d8d-4929-8e9e-1f3ee3427f0e@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> On May 2, 10:20 am, Renli <oliver.rich...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> school. My wife says it's probably legal if I beat the shit out of her
>> but that I should have a policeman with me to make sure I don't step
>> over the line and kill her.
>
> What?
>
> A cop is going to stand there and watch while you beat up a kid?
>
> -Mike K.
>
> Assuming the kid doesn't hand Ollie his ass....
>
> The kid ftw!
On the "cop stand and watch" bit..

Navy crews get standard briefings on foreign port do/don't lists... One
area of memory was 'don't mess with anyone's wife' (to a sailor? wow..
I'd never have guessed that being a possibility..) since the local laws
allowed the husband a gun, 9 bullets, and from morning until noon to do
whatever he wanted to you.

So, Not sure what the local regs are, but depending on local morality,
it could very well be possible the police officer wouldn't react as we
(North American 'we' here..) would usually expect. (can't speak for
Aus/Eu, but I'd assume the same general position as N/A)

P.

02 May 2008 09:43:58

Mike

Re: Punishing a stupid kid

On May 2, 10:52=A0am, Renli <oliver.rich...@gmail.com > wrote:

> In response to mike's ridiculously dense question however.. No.. I'm
> not going to beat the kid up while a cop is watching - Lol. I mean
> come on. Oh well - even after all this time, Mike still manages to
> surprise me at times with these kind of obtuse questions.

So, again posting for attention. Like the little boy you are.

Good to know that your wife is a piece of crap as well.

-Mike K.

02 May 2008 09:46:57

Shuurai

Re: Punishing a stupid kid

> Any ideas on how I should play this?

Personally, I would ask for my property back, an apology, and her word
that it will not happen again. If she gives me these, and hasn't had
a history of this sort of thing, let it go at that. What is getting
the crap kicked out of her going to accomplish?

> Man that kid is in so much shit -
> lol - it's totally different here. In Toronto the police would laugh
> something like this off, would have given me some kind of bullshit
> platitude and moved on. But here, hmm, there will probably be mugshots
> and posters, even though the kid is likely 10 or 12.

Ten to twelve years old is all the more reason to let it go. Kids
that age make mistakes; if things there are as you say, chances are
just knowing she is caught will put enough fear into her to serve as a
lesson. Do you really need to involve the police or the school?

Dude, seriously - ask for your property back and an apology. If you
can limit the consequences to that, do so. There really isn't
anything to be gained from abusing a twelve year old over a moment of
weakness. If you have reason to believe that she has a problem, speak
to her parents.

> I'm wondering if I should show up with the police or just have her kicked out of
> school.

You speak as though you would enjoy it... You are talking about a
little girl who made a mistake. I'm all for punishing crime, but at
twelve years old there is a limit to what that punishment should be.
Do you really want to see a little girl get the crap kicked out of her
over this? Do you really want to see her thrown out of school? Do
you really want to see her arrested?

> My wife says it's probably legal if I beat the shit out of her
> but that I should have a policeman with me to make sure I don't step
> over the line and kill her.

Are you saying that the thought of beating the shit out of a little
girl has actually crossed your mind? That you've actually considered
it to be an option; and that "stepping over the line" and killing her
is actually part of that thought process? And you wife actually
joined you in this line of thinking?

I sincerely hope that you are kidding about that.

> Any thoughts?

You dissapoint me... and that is frankly amazing considering what I
expect from you.

02 May 2008 09:50:04

Shuurai

Re: Punishing a stupid kid

> > What what?
>
> > You're goingto beat her up for a ten bit item?
>
> > -Mike K.
>
> Actually, if you look carefully, he says "when the parents find out",
> intimating the parents will do this. (he *does* talk about beating her
> up for a ten bit item later, but not in the area you quoted)

If you continue to look carefully, he says "My wife says it's probably
legal if I beat the shit out of her but that I should have a policeman
with me to make sure I don't step over the line and kill her."

Anyone who would even *think* this way is beyond pathetic. I don't
care if he's joking about it, I don't care if he's just speculating; I
don't even care if he's just puffing his little chest. Anyone who
would even raise the notion of beating up a little girl and mention
stepping over the line and killing her, is beyond pathetic.

02 May 2008 09:53:03

Renli

Re: Punishing a stupid kid

On May 3, 12:50 am, Shuurai <Shuura...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> I don't
> care if he's joking about it, I don't care if he's just speculating; I
> don't even care if he's just puffing his little chest.

That's why you're a loser, Shuurai.

-

02 May 2008 09:55:08

Mike

Re: Punishing a stupid kid

On May 2, 12:46=A0pm, Shuurai <Shuura...@hotmail.com > wrote:

> Are you saying that the thought of beating the shit out of a little
> girl has actually crossed your mind? =A0That you've actually considered
> it to be an option; and that "stepping over the line" and killing her
> is actually part of that thought process? =A0And you wife actually
> joined you in this line of thinking?
>
> I sincerely hope that you are kidding about that.
>
> > Any thoughts?
>
> You dissapoint me... =A0and that is frankly amazing considering what I
> expect from you.

Yes, it's a new low even for renli. That's why I posted such an
innocuous response (basically saying "what").

That he just used my response as a means to insult me makes me wonder
that perhaps he was just fishing for replies (in stranger waters than
usual).

But if he was just joshing, you really have to wonder about whether
his medication is expired.

If he wasn't ...

-Mike K.

02 May 2008 09:56:49

Mike

Re: Punishing a stupid kid

On May 2, 12:53=A0pm, Renli <oliver.rich...@gmail.com > wrote:

> > I don't
> > care if he's joking about it, I don't care if he's just speculating; I
> > don't even care if he's just puffing his little chest.
>
> That's why you're a loser, Shuurai.

He's a loser because he thinks that someone talking about killing a
litle girl is off-base?

I think you seriously need to check in at your nearest psycho ward.

-Mike K.

02 May 2008 09:59:29

Renli

Re: Punishing a stupid kid

On May 3, 12:56 am, Mike <mkornecki2...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> On May 2, 12:53 pm, Renli <oliver.rich...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > I don't
> > > care if he's joking about it, I don't care if he's just speculating; I
> > > don't even care if he's just puffing his little chest.
>
> > That's why you're a loser, Shuurai.
>
> He's a loser because he thinks that someone talking about killing a
> litle girl is off-base?
>
> I think you seriously need to check in at your nearest psycho ward.
>
> -Mike K.

No, he's a loser because he knows i'm joking and he's being a
nitpicking little shit about it anyways. Not like you, who can't put 2
and 2 together - he actually has an excuse.

-

02 May 2008 10:02:30

Renli

Re: Punishing a stupid kid

On May 3, 12:46 am, Shuurai <Shuura...@hotmail.com > wrote:
>

At the risk of repeating myself a fourth time,

> I sincerely hope that you are kidding about that.
>

congratulations! You figured it out - i'm actually NOT going to kill a
little girl for stealing a bicycle odometer while a cop watches!

Here's your cigar!

-

02 May 2008 10:04:18

Renli

Re: Punishing a stupid kid

On May 3, 12:04 am, "Greendistantstar"
<pde63539removet...@bigpond.net.au > wrote:
> "Mike" <mkornecki2...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:93e53527-6d8d-4929-8e9e-1f3ee3427f0e@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> On May 2, 10:20 am, Renli <oliver.rich...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > school. My wife says it's probably legal if I beat the shit out of her
> > but that I should have a policeman with me to make sure I don't step
> > over the line and kill her.
>
> What?
>
> A cop is going to stand there and watch while you beat up a kid?
>
> -Mike K.
>
> Assuming the kid doesn't hand Ollie his ass....
>
> The kid ftw!
> --
> GDS
>
> "Let's roll!"

Good point. You're right, it's probably safer to bring the cop.

You never know - the kid might be hopped up on drugs. 10 year olds
these days!

-

02 May 2008 17:06:13

Pboud

Re: Punishing a stupid kid

Shuurai wrote:
>>> What what?
>>> You're goingto beat her up for a ten bit item?
>>> -Mike K.
>> Actually, if you look carefully, he says "when the parents find out",
>> intimating the parents will do this. (he *does* talk about beating her
>> up for a ten bit item later, but not in the area you quoted)
>
> If you continue to look carefully, he says "My wife says it's probably
> legal if I beat the shit out of her but that I should have a policeman
> with me to make sure I don't step over the line and kill her."
>
> Anyone who would even *think* this way is beyond pathetic. I don't
> care if he's joking about it, I don't care if he's just speculating; I
> don't even care if he's just puffing his little chest. Anyone who
> would even raise the notion of beating up a little girl and mention
> stepping over the line and killing her, is beyond pathetic.

I was just pointing out the clerical inconsistency.. this *is* RMA after
all.

First off..
With *this* example, I'm pretty much on your side of things based on the
incident; it was minor, and should be dealt with that way.

Moral considerations aside (and I say this simply because the imposition
of morality from one culture on another has led to massive idiocy, and I
don't have enough details on the culture to understand how they would
react to this situation), there was a story in the paper about a group
of 12 and 13 year old girls who swarmed and beat a woman unconscious..
When the woman's 17 year old son tried to help his mom out, they knocked
him out as well.

Another story we've got is a curfew on anyone 12 to 18 in a local area
to keep down gang violence after a drive-by shooting injured a 2 year old.

Private schools (civilian, military, whatever) all have their version of
'lord of the flies' going on to some degree or another (I can attest to
the military side, at least) and this is not only not frowned upon or
reported, it's usually accepted and sometimes even condoned.

I won't bother commenting on the above example, since petty theft is
just that.. petty.

Doing a blanket statement based on age however ignores way too many
factors. Gangs are *specifically* recruiting at the 12 and below age in
Canada because 12 and under (if mem serves) simply cannot be charged..
not even under the juvenile code, which (I think) starts at 13. (Can
Lawyer around to clarify that one?)

P.

02 May 2008 13:07:59

Mark Goldberg

Re: Punishing a stupid kid

Greendistantstar wrote:
> "Mike" <mkornecki2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:93e53527-6d8d-4929-8e9e-1f3ee3427f0e@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> On May 2, 10:20 am, Renli <oliver.rich...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> school. My wife says it's probably legal if I beat the shit out of her
>> but that I should have a policeman with me to make sure I don't step
>> over the line and kill her.
>
> What?
>
> A cop is going to stand there and watch while you beat up a kid?
>
> -Mike K.
>
> Assuming the kid doesn't hand Ollie his ass....
>
> The kid ftw!

Just the tone of this guy, gives a soiled feeling.
For heavens sake... he's got the goods on the kid, why not merely take
the video, show it to the parents, handle it privately.... and be a man.
A man, not a thug, not a fool, not a troll.....

Just once Oliver....
beating up an 11 yr old. Laughing at the beating the child will undergo
by her parents.... you could stop that and get remuneration and teach
the child a lesson that it won't forget... with any of that.

Indeed......

Mark

02 May 2008 10:13:48

travisgod@aol.cominyrface

Re: Punishing a stupid kid

On May 2, 10:20=A0am, Renli <oliver.rich...@gmail.com > wrote:
> So after ten months of parking my bike without locking it up, some
> stupid kid decided to steal my odometer. It's one of those fancy cat-
> eye digital deals that does everything - even calories. It's worth a
> pretty penny, about half the cost of my bike.
>
> Unfortunately for the thief, this kid was caught by three high quality
> color cameras- frontal on the approach, from the side snatching it,
> and from behind casually walking away. Hi definition, baby. We know
> what school the kid goes to, we know how tall, we have a face, we even
> have the student id number from the front of the shirt.
>
> In a city like this, this never happens. An elite school student
> stealing from a foreigner? Front page news. The kid is going to be
> scared shitless. Her school opens at 8:30am on Monday and I'm gonna be
> there. We have pictures and video. I almost feel sorry for her, since
> when the parents find out that kid is probably going to get beaten
> unconscious.
>
> Any ideas on how I should play this? Man that kid is in so much shit -
> lol - it's totally different here. In Toronto the police would laugh
> something like this off, would have given me some kind of bullshit
> platitude and moved on. But here, hmm, there will probably be mugshots
> and posters, even though the kid is likely 10 or 12. I'm wondering if
> I should show up with the police or just have her kicked out of
> school. My wife says it's probably legal if I beat the shit out of her
> but that I should have a policeman with me to make sure I don't step
> over the line and kill her.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> -

I think you really ought to have increased the pedophilia/lolita/
schoolgirl angle and really upped the troll value considerably.

Trav

02 May 2008 13:14:19

Mark Goldberg

Re: Punishing a stupid kid

Shuurai wrote:

>
> You speak as though you would enjoy it... You are talking about a
> little girl who made a mistake. I'm all for punishing crime, but at
> twelve years old there is a limit to what that punishment should be.
> Do you really want to see a little girl get the crap kicked out of her
> over this? Do you really want to see her thrown out of school? Do
> you really want to see her arrested?
>
He speaks as if he has a 12 yr old child in his head asking the
question, and enjoying the answer.

That's Oliver, and I'm not saying this to preen, or troll or use it, but
for this: leave the kid alone you bully, Oliver.

A grown man ought to know better.... and you don't.

Don't take this but as a chance to maybe not be so dense and improve
yourself, and maybe, not hurt a naughty child.

Mind you, I'm not against corporeal punishment if appropriate, but here,
Oliver has the goods and can deal her utterly fatal embarrassment
without so much as waving a hand..... and yet, that's where his level
takes him.... smacking a child and having to be restrained by another adult.

Mark

02 May 2008 13:15:47

Mark Goldberg

Re: Punishing a stupid kid

Mike wrote:

> But if he was just joshing, you really have to wonder about whether
> his medication is expired.
>
> If he wasn't ...

Mike, this is his level. And if he'd frankly own up to it, he'd be the
better man, learn from this limitations, and take some much needed good
advice. Instead, he will utterly troll and backpeddle his way out, as if
he was teaching others by feeling them out.

Ridiculous.

Mark

02 May 2008 10:22:33

Renli

Re: Punishing a stupid kid

On May 3, 1:07 am, Mark Goldberg <msgoldb...@optonline.net > wrote:
> Greendistantstar wrote:
> > "Mike" <mkornecki2...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >news:93e53527-6d8d-4929-8e9e-1f3ee3427f0e@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> > On May 2, 10:20 am, Renli <oliver.rich...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> school. My wife says it's probably legal if I beat the shit out of her
> >> but that I should have a policeman with me to make sure I don't step
> >> over the line and kill her.
>
> > What?
>
> > A cop is going to stand there and watch while you beat up a kid?
>
> > -Mike K.
>
> > Assuming the kid doesn't hand Ollie his ass....
>
> > The kid ftw!
>
> Just the tone of this guy, gives a soiled feeling.
> For heavens sake... he's got the goods on the kid, why not merely take
> the video, show it to the parents, handle it privately.... and be a man.
> A man, not a thug, not a fool, not a troll.....
>
> Just once Oliver....
> beating up an 11 yr old. Laughing at the beating the child will undergo
> by her parents.... you could stop that and get remuneration and teach
> the child a lesson that it won't forget... with any of that.
>
> Indeed......
>
> Mark

No shit - although there are a number of things you don't understand
for being who you are / what you are, I guess - one, we're going to
have to go to her school to locate her which means everyone is going
to know about it anyways. Unless you think they're just going to give
out the name and address of little girls to any foreigner who walks in
off the street. Second point, if we went to her parents privately,
given the situation, they would probably try to offer us money, which
is probably illegal. They would feel a lot of pressure to pay us to
somehow keep this out of the papers. Third, if the police somehow do
get involved, she is definately old enough to be arrested here and
this sort of thing will warrant jail time. Fourth, it is ALMOST
considered legal to beat the shit out of your kids. Even me, as a
teacher in highschool, I have the right.. no sorry the encouraged DUTY
to whip the shit out of students who piss me off with items such as
"the cane", although a number of items are used, one of my favourites
is a piece of bamboo wrapped up with some sort of tape to hold it
together because it's been turned to straw from repeated whippings.
There's a flat stick from korea with some cool korean words on it,
stings pretty bad. In one classroom the students rebelled and stole
the stick so the teacher took two glue sticks (for glue guns) and used
elastic bands to hold them together. Once I whipped my leg with it in
class to demonstrate to the students I meant business. Big mistake, I
felt the blood flow in my leg reverse from the hit and my leg just
didn't feel *RIGHT* for the rest of the day. But I digress.

Well, at least there isn't any real crime here. Just people spitting
on the ground, thats about it. Like I said, this kind of thing never
happens.

-

02 May 2008 10:24:35

Renli

Re: Punishing a stupid kid

On May 3, 1:14 am, Mark Goldberg <msgoldb...@optonline.net > wrote:

> That's Oliver, and I'm not saying this to preen, or troll or use it, but
> for this: leave the kid alone you bully, Oliver.

Lol you're a real joke Mark.

> A grown man ought to know better.... and you don't.

Well, *SOMEONE* doesn't know any better, ehh mark? wink wink nudge
nudge ;-)

-

02 May 2008 10:26:44

Renli

Re: Punishing a stupid kid

On May 3, 1:13 am, "travis...@aol.cominyrface" <travis...@aol.com >
wrote:
> On May 2, 10:20 am, Renli <oliver.rich...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > So after ten months of parking my bike without locking it up, some
> > stupid kid decided to steal my odometer. It's one of those fancy cat-
> > eye digital deals that does everything - even calories. It's worth a
> > pretty penny, about half the cost of my bike.
>
> > Unfortunately for the thief, this kid was caught by three high quality
> > color cameras- frontal on the approach, from the side snatching it,
> > and from behind casually walking away. Hi definition, baby. We know
> > what school the kid goes to, we know how tall, we have a face, we even
> > have the student id number from the front of the shirt.
>
> > In a city like this, this never happens. An elite school student
> > stealing from a foreigner? Front page news. The kid is going to be
> > scared shitless. Her school opens at 8:30am on Monday and I'm gonna be
> > there. We have pictures and video. I almost feel sorry for her, since
> > when the parents find out that kid is probably going to get beaten
> > unconscious.
>
> > Any ideas on how I should play this? Man that kid is in so much shit -
> > lol - it's totally different here. In Toronto the police would laugh
> > something like this off, would have given me some kind of bullshit
> > platitude and moved on. But here, hmm, there will probably be mugshots
> > and posters, even though the kid is likely 10 or 12. I'm wondering if
> > I should show up with the police or just have her kicked out of
> > school. My wife says it's probably legal if I beat the shit out of her
> > but that I should have a policeman with me to make sure I don't step
> > over the line and kill her.
>
> > Any thoughts?
>
> > -
>
> I think you really ought to have increased the pedophilia/lolita/
> schoolgirl angle and really upped the troll value considerably.
>
> Trav

Well I was considering it but that's part of what makes it perfect -
within it's element it shows restraint, and therefore taste.,

You might not have noticed but I actually avoided mentioning the sex
or age of the child until late in the post and then only sparingly, as
an aside. This is quality work, trav. Just look at the hate and
blindless pouring out of ppl like shuurai and mark goldberg. Dunno -
maybe they'll wake up this time?

-

02 May 2008 10:40:30

Mike

Re: Punishing a stupid kid

On May 2, 1:26=A0pm, Renli <oliver.rich...@gmail.com > wrote:

> > I think you really ought to have increased the pedophilia/lolita/
> > schoolgirl angle and really upped the troll value considerably.
>
> > Trav
>
> Well I was considering it but that's part of what makes it perfect -
> within it's element it shows restraint, and therefore taste.,
>
> You might not have noticed but I actually avoided mentioning the sex
> or age of the child until late in the post and then only sparingly, as
> an aside. This is quality work, trav. Just look at the hate and
> blindless pouring out of ppl like shuurai and mark goldberg. Dunno -
> maybe they'll wake up this time?

Hate? I didn't see any hate. Maybe some of us were misled by your
pathetic attempts at attention, but there was no hate directed at you.
Just the usual pity and advice to seek profesional help.

-Mike K.

02 May 2008 10:44:44

Mike

Re: Punishing a stupid kid

On May 2, 12:59=A0pm, Renli <oliver.rich...@gmail.com > wrote:

> > I think you seriously need to check in at your nearest psycho ward.
>
> > -Mike K.
>
> No, he's a loser because he knows i'm joking and he's being a
> nitpicking little shit about it anyways. Not like you, who can't put 2
> and 2 together - he actually has an excuse.

Riiight. He knows, you are *joking*. You put together a multi-
paragraph post ranting about how you were *gonna show* a 10 yearl old
girl!

What's your next *joke*?

Oh, I get it. *You* are the joke. As always...

-Mike K.

02 May 2008 10:45:14

travisgod@aol.cominyrface

Re: Punishing a stupid kid

> Well I was considering it but that's part of what makes it perfect -
> within it's element it shows restraint, and therefore taste.,
>
> You might not have noticed but I actually avoided mentioning the sex
> or age of the child until late in the post and then only sparingly, as
> an aside. This is quality work, trav. Just look at the hate and
> blindless pouring out of ppl like shuurai and mark goldberg. Dunno -
> maybe they'll wake up this time?

Next time make her 15 and have it be your wife's idea. The knock on
arguments from that over sex, marriage, and morality would quickly
spiral.

Trav

02 May 2008 18:22:42

Jerry B. Altzman

Re: Punishing a stupid kid

on 2008-05-02 10:20 Renli said the following:
> Any thoughts?

She's a kid.
Recover your property, make the cops/parents/school put the fear of God
into her, and move on with your life.

//jbaltz
--
jerry b. altzman jbaltz@altzman.com www.jbaltz.com
thank you for contributing to the heat death of the universe.

02 May 2008 12:16:41

Shuurai

Re: Punishing a stupid kid

>
> No, he's a loser because he knows i'm joking and he's being a
> nitpicking little shit about it anyways. Not like you, who can't put 2
> and 2 together - he actually has an excuse.

The sad thing is, Ollie - I don't know that you were joking. Even now
I'm not so sure you were joking. And you know what? Even if you
*were* joking it still makes you a piece of shit. What kind of a
grown man jokes about beating a little girl to death over a fucking
toy?

You are nothing more than a little punk. A little two-bit nothing,
desperate for attention. And deep down, you know it as well as anyone
else.

02 May 2008 16:52:26

Renli

Re: Punishing a stupid kid

On May 3, 3:16 am, Shuurai <Shuura...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> > No, he's a loser because he knows i'm joking and he's being a
> > nitpicking little shit about it anyways. Not like you, who can't put 2
> > and 2 together - he actually has an excuse.
>
> The sad thing is, Ollie - I don't know that you were joking. Even now
> I'm not so sure you were joking. And you know what? Even if you
> *were* joking it still makes you a piece of shit.

Yes, *that* is why you are a loser.

Because it doesn't matter if it's a joke or not, you're an asshole,
and you're proud of it.

> You are nothing more than a little punk. A little two-bit nothing,
> desperate for attention. And deep down, you know it as well as anyone
> else.

And you're boring, kinda, I guess. Although your response to the OP
did make me laugh for about 5 minutes.

-

02 May 2008 20:07:17

Rabid Weasel

Re: Punishing a stupid kid

On Fri, 02 May 2008 07:20:42 -0700, Renli wrote:

> So after ten months of parking my bike without locking it up, some
> stupid kid decided to steal my odometer. It's one of those fancy cat-
> eye digital deals that does everything - even calories. It's worth a
> pretty penny, about half the cost of my bike.
>
> Unfortunately for the thief, this kid was caught by three high quality
> color cameras- frontal on the approach, from the side snatching it,
> and from behind casually walking away. Hi definition, baby. We know
> what school the kid goes to, we know how tall, we have a face, we even
> have the student id number from the front of the shirt.
>
> In a city like this, this never happens. An elite school student
> stealing from a foreigner? Front page news. The kid is going to be
> scared shitless. Her school opens at 8:30am on Monday and I'm gonna be
> there. We have pictures and video. I almost feel sorry for her, since
> when the parents find out that kid is probably going to get beaten
> unconscious.
>
> Any ideas on how I should play this? Man that kid is in so much shit -
> lol - it's totally different here. In Toronto the police would laugh
> something like this off, would have given me some kind of bullshit
> platitude and moved on. But here, hmm, there will probably be mugshots
> and posters, even though the kid is likely 10 or 12. I'm wondering if
> I should show up with the police or just have her kicked out of
> school. My wife says it's probably legal if I beat the shit out of her
> but that I should have a policeman with me to make sure I don't step
> over the line and kill her.
>
> Any thoughts?

Yeah. Go get your freaking odometer back and forget the rest. If crime
is really as low as you claim then it won't matter. She will be properly
chastised by merely being *caught*.

Geez, who cares about the rest?

Are you trolling?

Peace favor your sword (IH),
Kirk

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03 May 2008 02:15:45

Greendistantstar

Re: Punishing a stupid kid

"Shuurai" <Shuurai11@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:c8f68977-99e4-492b-a8fd-6d0083ee6cb7@m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>
>> Any ideas on how I should play this?
>
> Personally, I would ask for my property back, an apology, and her word
> that it will not happen again. If she gives me these, and hasn't had
> a history of this sort of thing, let it go at that. What is getting
> the crap kicked out of her going to accomplish?
>
>> Man that kid is in so much shit -
>> lol - it's totally different here. In Toronto the police would laugh
>> something like this off, would have given me some kind of bullshit
>> platitude and moved on. But here, hmm, there will probably be mugshots
>> and posters, even though the kid is likely 10 or 12.
>
> Ten to twelve years old is all the more reason to let it go. Kids
> that age make mistakes; if things there are as you say, chances are
> just knowing she is caught will put enough fear into her to serve as a
> lesson. Do you really need to involve the police or the school?
>
> Dude, seriously - ask for your property back and an apology. If you
> can limit the consequences to that, do so. There really isn't
> anything to be gained from abusing a twelve year old over a moment of
> weakness. If you have reason to believe that she has a problem, speak
> to her parents.
>
>> I'm wondering if I should show up with the police or just have her kicked out
>> of
>> school.
>
> You speak as though you would enjoy it... You are talking about a
> little girl who made a mistake. I'm all for punishing crime, but at
> twelve years old there is a limit to what that punishment should be.
> Do you really want to see a little girl get the crap kicked out of her
> over this? Do you really want to see her thrown out of school? Do
> you really want to see her arrested?
>
>> My wife says it's probably legal if I beat the shit out of her
>> but that I should have a policeman with me to make sure I don't step
>> over the line and kill her.
>
> Are you saying that the thought of beating the shit out of a little
> girl has actually crossed your mind? That you've actually considered
> it to be an option; and that "stepping over the line" and killing her
> is actually part of that thought process? And you wife actually
> joined you in this line of thinking?
>
> I sincerely hope that you are kidding about that.
>
>> Any thoughts?
>
> You dissapoint me... and that is frankly amazing considering what I
> expect from you.

What's truly amazing is the assumption that the kid won't pummel Ollie.

Chinese-kid Chi....no can defend!
--
GDS

"Let's roll!"

02 May 2008 22:20:42

Mark Goldberg

Re: Punishing a stupid kid

Renli wrote:
> On May 3, 1:14 am, Mark Goldberg <msgoldb...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>> That's Oliver, and I'm not saying this to preen, or troll or use it, but
>> for this: leave the kid alone you bully, Oliver.
>
> Lol you're a real joke Mark.
>
>> A grown man ought to know better.... and you don't.
>
> Well, *SOMEONE* doesn't know any better, ehh mark? wink wink nudge
> nudge ;-)
>
> -
You've disgraced yourself in this thread and it will be brought up by a
bunch of people, to show you what a wee man you are.

and save your pitiful wink winks for the retards you might convince
about such idiocy.... this thread was and remains pitiful, as do you

Mark

02 May 2008 22:22:18

Mark Goldberg

Re: Punishing a stupid kid

Mike wrote:
> On May 2, 1:26 pm, Renli <oliver.rich...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> I think you really ought to have increased the pedophilia/lolita/
>>> schoolgirl angle and really upped the troll value considerably.
>>> Trav
>> Well I was considering it but that's part of what makes it perfect -
>> within it's element it shows restraint, and therefore taste.,
>>
>> You might not have noticed but I actually avoided mentioning the sex
>> or age of the child until late in the post and then only sparingly, as
>> an aside. This is quality work, trav. Just look at the hate and
>> blindless pouring out of ppl like shuurai and mark goldberg. Dunno -
>> maybe they'll wake up this time?
>
> Hate? I didn't see any hate. Maybe some of us were misled by your
> pathetic attempts at attention, but there was no hate directed at you.
> Just the usual pity and advice to seek profesional help.
>
> -Mike K.
>
It's just pitiful, the level this nitwit will go too to be noticed.
And it's all just play acting because the fact is, the truth is...Oliver
isn't but a silly figment of his own imaginings. And beating a child is
part of his imaginings.

Mark

02 May 2008 21:45:57

Renli

Re: Punishing a stupid kid

On May 3, 10:20 am, Mark Goldberg <msgoldb...@optonline.net > wrote:
> Renli wrote:
> > On May 3, 1:14 am, Mark Goldberg <msgoldb...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
> >> That's Oliver, and I'm not saying this to preen, or troll or use it, but
> >> for this: leave the kid alone you bully, Oliver.
>
> > Lol you're a real joke Mark.
>
> >> A grown man ought to know better.... and you don't.
>
> > Well, *SOMEONE* doesn't know any better, ehh mark? wink wink nudge
> > nudge ;-)
>
> > -
>
> You've disgraced yourself in this thread and it will be brought up by a
> bunch of people, to show you what a wee man you are.
>
> and save your pitiful wink winks for the retards you might convince
> about such idiocy.... this thread was and remains pitiful, as do you
>
> Mark

Well, SOMEONE sure is pitiful, ehh mark? *wink wink* *nudge nudge*

Here. this song's for you, Mark.. describes you to a tee:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=2beAvLXYX3U

-

02 May 2008 21:46:32

Renli

Re: Punishing a stupid kid

On May 3, 10:15 am, "Greendistantstar"
<pde63539removet...@bigpond.net.au > wrote:
>
> What's truly amazing is the assumption that the kid won't pummel Ollie.
>
> Chinese-kid Chi....no can defend!

Rest assured - there will be updates.

-

02 May 2008 21:47:27

Renli

Re: Punishing a stupid kid

On May 3, 10:22 am, Mark Goldberg <msgoldb...@optonline.net > wrote:
> Mike wrote:
> > On May 2, 1:26 pm, Renli <oliver.rich...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> I think you really ought to have increased the pedophilia/lolita/
> >>> schoolgirl angle and really upped the troll value considerably.
> >>> Trav
> >> Well I was considering it but that's part of what makes it perfect -
> >> within it's element it shows restraint, and therefore taste.,
>
> >> You might not have noticed but I actually avoided mentioning the sex
> >> or age of the child until late in the post and then only sparingly, as
> >> an aside. This is quality work, trav. Just look at the hate and
> >> blindless pouring out of ppl like shuurai and mark goldberg. Dunno -
> >> maybe they'll wake up this time?
>
> > Hate? I didn't see any hate. Maybe some of us were misled by your
> > pathetic attempts at attention, but there was no hate directed at you.
> > Just the usual pity and advice to seek profesional help.
>
> > -Mike K.
>
> It's just pitiful, the level this nitwit will go too to be noticed.
> And it's all just play acting because the fact is, the truth is...Oliver
> isn't but a silly figment of his own imaginings. And beating a child is
> part of his imaginings.
>
> Mark

3/10 on the goldberg scale - no "oomph" and too short.

-

02 May 2008 21:51:42

Renli

Re: Punishing a stupid kid

On May 3, 8:07 am, Rabid Weasel <law...@NO870177SPAM+dayton.ne > wrote:
>
> > Any thoughts?
>
> Yeah. Go get your freaking odometer back and forget the rest. If crime
> is really as low as you claim then it won't matter. She will be properly
> chastised by merely being *caught*.

Exactly. But in this case, what do you think about (for example) her
getting her picture on the front page of the local newspaper, kicked
out of school, and her parents beating the crap out of her?

> Are you trolling?

No, but the part about me killing her while a cop watches is clearly a
joke, you SHOULD be able to get over it without me having to go into
detail about it in this way. Yes, it's kind of obvious that I am not
going to be killing a little girl for stealing an odometer while a cop
watches me do it. I mean come on Kirk. There are MUCH more interesting
quesitons that we could entertain besides "am I trolling".

So - who cares about the rest? Well, the concept of underage crime and
how it's dealt with, and the resulting low crime rate - is interesting
to say the least. As I've mentioned before there is no violent crime
where I live, no drugs, not even any graffiti. So I think a lot of
people would care. I think this way is better, even though there are
some negative things which go along with it, the truth is that there
are far more negative things in the canadian way. It's like saying
ooh, if I take this medicine I will feel nauseous so you don't want to
take it - but if you don't, you'll die. It's that kind of medicine.
Dunno - was just looking for opinions.

-

03 May 2008 06:49:11

Greendistantstar

Re: Punishing a stupid kid

"Renli" <oliver.richman@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:4c597b09-faa0-4be7-abbc-c96000b22fc8@w5g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> On May 3, 1:07 am, Mark Goldberg <msgoldb...@optonline.net> wrote:
>> Greendistantstar wrote:
>> > "Mike" <mkornecki2...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >news:93e53527-6d8d-4929-8e9e-1f3ee3427f0e@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>> > On May 2, 10:20 am, Renli <oliver.rich...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> school. My wife says it's probably legal if I beat the shit out of her
>> >> but that I should have a policeman with me to make sure I don't step
>> >> over the line and kill her.
>>
>> > What?
>>
>> > A cop is going to stand there and watch while you beat up a kid?
>>
>> > -Mike K.
>>
>> > Assuming the kid doesn't hand Ollie his ass....
>>
>> > The kid ftw!
>>
>> Just the tone of this guy, gives a soiled feeling.
>> For heavens sake... he's got the goods on the kid, why not merely take
>> the video, show it to the parents, handle it privately.... and be a man.
>> A man, not a thug, not a fool, not a troll.....
>>
>> Just once Oliver....
>> beating up an 11 yr old. Laughing at the beating the child will undergo
>> by her parents.... you could stop that and get remuneration and teach
>> the child a lesson that it won't forget... with any of that.
>>
>> Indeed......
>>
>> Mark
>
> No shit - although there are a number of things you don't understand
> for being who you are / what you are, I guess - one, we're going to
> have to go to her school to locate her which means everyone is going
> to know about it anyways. Unless you think they're just going to give
> out the name and address of little girls to any foreigner who walks in
> off the street. Second point, if we went to her parents privately,
> given the situation, they would probably try to offer us money, which
> is probably illegal. They would feel a lot of pressure to pay us to
> somehow keep this out of the papers. Third, if the police somehow do
> get involved, she is definately old enough to be arrested here and
> this sort of thing will warrant jail time.

And you left *Canada* for this shit?

> Fourth, it is ALMOST
> considered legal to beat the shit out of your kids. Even me, as a
> teacher in highschool, I have the right.. no sorry the encouraged DUTY
> to whip the shit out of students who piss me off with items such as
> "the cane", although a number of items are used, one of my favourites
> is a piece of bamboo wrapped up with some sort of tape to hold it
> together because it's been turned to straw from repeated whippings.

That's sick.

> There's a flat stick from korea with some cool korean words on it,
> stings pretty bad. In one classroom the students rebelled and stole
> the stick so the teacher took two glue sticks (for glue guns) and used
> elastic bands to hold them together. Once I whipped my leg with it in
> class to demonstrate to the students I meant business. Big mistake, I
> felt the blood flow in my leg reverse from the hit and my leg just
> didn't feel *RIGHT* for the rest of the day. But I digress.

Serves you right.

> Well, at least there isn't any real crime here. Just people spitting
> on the ground, thats about it. Like I said, this kind of thing never
> happens.

You're beating up kids and you think the crime is someone stealing your fucking
bike odometer?

In my jurisdiction, it's YOU that's off to jail right now, and Bubba in Cell
Block C is gonna have a new toy to play with tonight.

--
GDS

"Let's roll!"

03 May 2008 00:11:08

Renli

Re: Punishing a stupid kid

On May 3, 2:49 pm, "Greendistantstar"
<pde63539removet...@bigpond.net.au > wrote:
>
> > Fourth, it is ALMOST
> > considered legal to beat the shit out of your kids. Even me, as a
> > teacher in highschool, I have the right.. no sorry the encouraged DUTY
> > to whip the shit out of students who piss me off with items such as
> > "the cane", although a number of items are used, one of my favourites
> > is a piece of bamboo wrapped up with some sort of tape to hold it
> > together because it's been turned to straw from repeated whippings.
>
> That's sick.

How do you discipline your own children then, Peter? As a parent.

> In my jurisdiction, it's YOU that's off to jail right now, and Bubba in Cell
> Block C is gonna have a new toy to play with tonight.

Yes, as a citizen of Canada I know all about that. But you're telling
me you've never gotten "the belt" or "the cane"?

Keep in mind, that it's a different culture here, and the quickest way
to ensconce yourself as an idiot is to rail against something just
because it's different from what you know.

> You're beating up kids and you think the crime is someone stealing your fucking
> bike odometer?

It isn't "beating them up", Peter. It's hitting their hand with a
naughty stick. Don't assume.

-

03 May 2008 08:44:41

Greendistantstar

Re: Punishing a stupid kid

"Renli" <oliver.richman@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:a931c0fc-8548-471b-abea-e705928fad2e@q27g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On May 3, 2:49 pm, "Greendistantstar"
> <pde63539removet...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>
>> > Fourth, it is ALMOST
>> > considered legal to beat the shit out of your kids. Even me, as a
>> > teacher in highschool, I have the right.. no sorry the encouraged DUTY
>> > to whip the shit out of students who piss me off with items such as
>> > "the cane", although a number of items are used, one of my favourites
>> > is a piece of bamboo wrapped up with some sort of tape to hold it
>> > together because it's been turned to straw from repeated whippings.
>>
>> That's sick.
>
> How do you discipline your own children then, Peter? As a parent.

These children are not your kids, any issues of loco parentis aside.

If other parents want to use corporal punishment on their kids, I believe that's
their choice, and I don't agree with govt intervention, outside of obvious abuse
of course.

My father did not hit me, nor do I hit my children.

Do you hit yours?

But hitting OTHER PEOPLE'S KIDS?

Get outta here....it's NOT ON.

You do it, and you seem to derive just enough pleasure from it to make me wonder
about your motives.

>> In my jurisdiction, it's YOU that's off to jail right now, and Bubba in Cell
>> Block C is gonna have a new toy to play with tonight.
>
> Yes, as a citizen of Canada I know all about that. But you're telling
> me you've never gotten "the belt" or "the cane"?

That's right, and at my high school, the cane was dished out more often than hot
food.

> Keep in mind, that it's a different culture here, and the quickest way
> to ensconce yourself as an idiot is to rail against something just
> because it's different from what you know.

Fuck that shit. If you're a teacher and you can't control your students without
hitting them, you have no right to be a teacher. Period.

>> You're beating up kids and you think the crime is someone stealing your
>> fucking
>> bike odometer?
>
> It isn't "beating them up", Peter. It's hitting their hand with a
> naughty stick. Don't assume.

Hitting kids in school with bamboo canes is fucked up.

You hit one of my kids, I'd make you wish you were dead.

GDS

"Let's roll!"

03 May 2008 03:51:05

Renli

Re: Punishing a stupid kid

Greendistantstar wrote:
> >
> > How do you discipline your own children then, Peter? As a parent.
>
> These children are not your kids, any issues of loco parentis aside.
>
> If other parents want to use corporal punishment on their kids, I believe that's
> their choice, and I don't agree with govt intervention, outside of obvious abuse
> of course.

Mmm. Well, I'm just remarking on what will happen, she's going to get
the shit beat out of her by her parents, most likely.

> My father did not hit me, nor do I hit my children.
>
> Do you hit yours?

Of course not.

> But hitting OTHER PEOPLE'S KIDS?
>
> Get outta here....it's NOT ON.

Peter - word to the wise - it's rather plodding and stupid to keep
pushing this angle, it's kind of obvious I'm not going to be doing
that. It was nearly self-evident from the OP, and it's been said
several times now.

> >> In my jurisdiction, it's YOU that's off to jail right now, and Bubba in Cell
> >> Block C is gonna have a new toy to play with tonight.
> >
> > Yes, as a citizen of Canada I know all about that. But you're telling
> > me you've never gotten "the belt" or "the cane"?
>
> That's right, and at my high school, the cane was dished out more often than hot
> food.

So you were a good kid - the point is, you grew up in that
environment. So how do you feel about today's environment where
standing in the corner is regarded as cruel and unusual? Around here,
"light punishment" is kneeling on a stone floor for several hours.

> > Keep in mind, that it's a different culture here, and the quickest way
> > to ensconce yourself as an idiot is to rail against something just
> > because it's different from what you know.
>
> Fuck that shit. If you're a teacher and you can't control your students without
> hitting them, you have no right to be a teacher. Period.

Don't worry about me, Peter :) I'm doing just fine with and without
the stick.

> >> You're beating up kids and you think the crime is someone stealing your
> >> fucking
> >> bike odometer?
> >
> > It isn't "beating them up", Peter. It's hitting their hand with a
> > naughty stick. Don't assume.
>
> Hitting kids in school with bamboo canes is fucked up.

Well, maybe - but that's the environment you grew up in too, and
nowadays things are very different, aren't they?

> You hit one of my kids, I'd make you wish you were dead.

Well that's the difference between you and me. If you hit one of my
kids, you *would* be dead. ;-)

I think you're just taking this too seriously, if you would relax a
little it would go in a lot smoother.

-

03 May 2008 08:14:40

Shuurai

Re: Punishing a stupid kid

> > The sad thing is, Ollie - I don't know that you were joking. =A0Even now=

> > I'm not so sure you were joking. =A0And you know what? =A0Even if you
> > *were* joking it still makes you a piece of shit.
>
> Yes, *that* is why you are a loser.

I'm not the one practically bursting over the prospect of seeing a
little girl get the shit kicked out of her for stealing a toy. What
exactly did you expect by posting this story?

> Because it doesn't matter if it's a joke or not, you're an asshole,
> and you're proud of it.

Right. It doesn't matter if it's a joke or not, because no decent
person would joke about beating a little girl to death over a toy. No
decent person would gloat over her possibly being beaten by her
parents, or going to jail.

I'll admit, if someone other than you had posted this they might be
granted some more benefit of the doubt; but then, the chances of
someone other than you actually posting something this are pretty
small.

> > You are nothing more than a little punk. =A0A little two-bit nothing,
> > desperate for attention. =A0And deep down, you know it as well as anyone=

> > else.
>
> And you're boring, kinda, I guess. Although your response to the OP
> did make me laugh for about 5 minutes.

I imagine it doesn't take much, idiot that you are.

03 May 2008 15:17:12

Greendistantstar

Re: Punishing a stupid kid

"Renli" <oliver.richman@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1443f548-1461-484d-8c75-c87a0f5221de@p39g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
> Greendistantstar wrote:
>> >
>> > How do you discipline your own children then, Peter? As a parent.
>>
>> These children are not your kids, any issues of loco parentis aside.
>>
>> If other parents want to use corporal punishment on their kids, I believe
>> that's
>> their choice, and I don't agree with govt intervention, outside of obvious
>> abuse
>> of course.
>
> Mmm. Well, I'm just remarking on what will happen, she's going to get
> the shit beat out of her by her parents, most likely.

That's not the issue.

>> My father did not hit me, nor do I hit my children.
>>
>> Do you hit yours?
>
> Of course not.

But you hit your students. How's that work?

>> But hitting OTHER PEOPLE'S KIDS?
>>
>> Get outta here....it's NOT ON.
>
> Peter - word to the wise - it's rather plodding and stupid to keep
> pushing this angle, it's kind of obvious I'm not going to be doing
> that. It was nearly self-evident from the OP, and it's been said
> several times now.

I'm not talking about what may happen to her; I'm talking about what you stated
you are doing NOW.

>> >> In my jurisdiction, it's YOU that's off to jail right now, and Bubba in
>> >> Cell
>> >> Block C is gonna have a new toy to play with tonight.
>> >
>> > Yes, as a citizen of Canada I know all about that. But you're telling
>> > me you've never gotten "the belt" or "the cane"?
>>
>> That's right, and at my high school, the cane was dished out more often than
>> hot
>> food.
>
> So you were a good kid -

I didn't say that.

>the point is, you grew up in that
> environment.

You have no idea of what environmet I gew up in.

>So how do you feel about today's environment where
> standing in the corner is regarded as cruel and unusual? Around here,
> "light punishment" is kneeling on a stone floor for several hours.

I've no opinion. You can try the deflection with someone else.

>> > Keep in mind, that it's a different culture here, and the quickest way
>> > to ensconce yourself as an idiot is to rail against something just
>> > because it's different from what you know.
>>
>> Fuck that shit. If you're a teacher and you can't control your students
>> without
>> hitting them, you have no right to be a teacher. Period.
>
> Don't worry about me, Peter :) I'm doing just fine with and without
> the stick.

You just said you hit students with bamboo sticks. Are you insane?

>> >> You're beating up kids and you think the crime is someone stealing your
>> >> fucking
>> >> bike odometer?
>> >
>> > It isn't "beating them up", Peter. It's hitting their hand with a
>> > naughty stick. Don't assume.
>>
>> Hitting kids in school with bamboo canes is fucked up.
>
> Well, maybe

No, not 'maybe'......IS.

- but that's the environment you grew up in too, and
> nowadays things are very different, aren't they?

Not where you're a teacher, apparently....

>> You hit one of my kids, I'd make you wish you were dead.
>
> Well that's the difference between you and me. If you hit one of my
> kids, you *would* be dead. ;-)

Then watch out some like-minded parent doesn't decide to show YOU why it's wrong,
eh?

> I think you're just taking this too seriously, if you would relax a
> little it would go in a lot smoother.

What would 'go a lot smoother'? Your admission of hitting your students?

Nah, you don't get off that easily.

--
GDS

"Let's roll!"

03 May 2008 08:43:38

Renli

Re: Punishing a stupid kid

On May 3, 11:17 pm, "Greendistantstar"
<pde63539removet...@bigpond.net.au > wrote:
> > Mmm. Well, I'm just remarking on what will happen, she's going to get
> > the shit beat out of her by her parents, most likely.
>
> That's not the issue.

Yes, it is, because you said you would never hit your own kids. You
seem to think it's morally wrong (correct me if I didn't understand
what you said). You asked me if I hit my own kids. You said if I hit
your kids you'd take revenge (in such a case probably a good thing to
do on your part). So yes, it IS the issue - if you didn't notice it is
the main issue I was trying to bring out. What is acceptable
punishment? How would YOU punish your kids, Peter? For the most
serious of offenses? Say, random petty theft? If your kids were 10.

There's something in it for me, too, yes - I'll gain wisdom as a
parent. As of yet my child is too young to be punished ( not even 1
year old). I'll learn something from it all, of course. Now, I wonder
which of the deadbolts will accuse me of being self-serving ;-)

> >> My father did not hit me, nor do I hit my children.
>
> >> Do you hit yours?
>
> > Of course not.
>
> But you hit your students. How's that work?

Hit? What does this mean, to hit? A slap on the wrist? A hard punch to
the kidneys, or perhaps breaking someone's nose? We should define the
terms, Peter, since you seem to be implying I am injuring a student.
Nothing could be further from the truth, so we should define the
terms. Anyways - as I've said something like seven or eight times by
now I won't be hitting anyone. So maybe it isn't even important to
define the terms.

> >> But hitting OTHER PEOPLE'S KIDS?
>
> >> Get outta here....it's NOT ON.
>
> > Peter - word to the wise - it's rather plodding and stupid to keep
> > pushing this angle, it's kind of obvious I'm not going to be doing
> > that. It was nearly self-evident from the OP, and it's been said
> > several times now.
>
> I'm not talking about what may happen to her; I'm talking about what you stated
> you are doing NOW.

You mean right now? What did I say I was doing right now, exactly?

> >> >> In my jurisdiction, it's YOU that's off to jail right now, and Bubba in
> >> >> Cell Block C is gonna have a new toy to play with tonight.

See, this is the problem. You're being obtuse. You know bloody well it
isn't that serious - not from a reading of the action but from your
interpretation of what the action is. Surely, after all this time, you
don't think I am even so much as leaving a mark on anyone. Mostly
because I don't really (ahem) "hit" students, Peter.

But damn, the principal of your school must have been such a stupid
and evil man for caning so many students who didn't deserve such
treatment. Hmm.

> >> > Yes, as a citizen of Canada I know all about that. But you're telling
> >> > me you've never gotten "the belt" or "the cane"?
>
> >> That's right, and at my high school, the cane was dished out more often than
> >> hot
> >> food.
>
> > So you were a good kid -
>
> I didn't say that.

What did you say then by telling me at your high school the cane was
dished out and you never got it?

> >the point is, you grew up in that
> > environment.
>
> You have no idea of what environmet I gew up in.

Lol, you just fucking told me what environment you grew up in within
the context of this discussion, Peter. Take a step back, you're
starting to go off the deep end again.

> >> > Keep in mind, that it's a different culture here, and the quickest way
> >> > to ensconce yourself as an idiot is to rail against something just
> >> > because it's different from what you know.
>
> >> Fuck that shit. If you're a teacher and you can't control your students
> >> without
> >> hitting them, you have no right to be a teacher. Period.
>
> > Don't worry about me, Peter :) I'm doing just fine with and without
> > the stick.
>
> You just said you hit students with bamboo sticks. Are you insane?

Hmm, I went and looked at every post I made above this one - I don't
see where I said I hit students with bamboo sticks. Pay very close
attention now. I said I hit myself to show them I meant business, and
you jumped in like the fuckwad you are with your assumptions. I don't
hit students peter, if I did I wouldn't have hit myself to make them
shut up.

I don't know - you claim to be a pretty intelligent fellow - do you
get it now? Or do I need to tell you a seventh time?

> >> > It isn't "beating them up", Peter. It's hitting their hand with a
> >> > naughty stick. Don't assume.
>
> >> Hitting kids in school with bamboo canes is fucked up.
>
> > Well, maybe
>
> No, not 'maybe'......IS.

Like Singapore? Don't spit on the street on your way through, Peter.

> > nowadays things are very different, aren't they?
>
> Not where you're a teacher, apparently....

That's part of the point.

> >> You hit one of my kids, I'd make you wish you were dead.
>
> > Well that's the difference between you and me. If you hit one of my
> > kids, you *would* be dead. ;-)
>
> Then watch out some like-minded parent doesn't decide to show YOU why it's wrong,
> eh?

I don't need to watch out, Peter.

You OTOH need to take a step back and stop making so many assuptions.
I know why you WANT it to be true - but it just isn't - and by forcing
it into an issue you're embarrassing yourself. Anyways let's say no
more about this, I have no wish to sully your good name here. If you
don't wish to talk about the central issues i've brought up, I quite
understand, but by the same token I won't be entertaining this
bantering crap from you anymore either ;-)

-

03 May 2008 08:45:43

Renli

Re: Punishing a stupid kid

On May 3, 11:14 pm, Shuurai <Shuura...@hotmail.com > wrote:
>
> I'm not the one practically bursting over the prospect of seeing a
> little girl get the shit kicked out of her for stealing a toy.

Thank you dr. obvious.

> > Because it doesn't matter if it's a joke or not, you're an asshole,
> > and you're proud of it.
>
> Right. It doesn't matter if it's a joke or not, because no decent
> person would joke about beating a little girl to death over a toy. No
> decent person would gloat over her possibly being beaten by her
> parents, or going to jail.

No decent person would gloat over anything, but you do it all the
time. At any rate you're wrong, I wasn't gloating - although I can see
how you would believe I was, due to your classic case of projection.

> I'll admit, if someone other than you had posted this they might be
> granted some more benefit of the doubt;

That's *why* you're a loser, Shuurai.

-

03 May 2008 08:47:26

Mike

Re: Punishing a stupid kid

On May 3, 12:51=A0am, Renli <oliver.rich...@gmail.com > wrote:

> > Are you trolling?
>
> No, but the part about me killing her while a cop watches is clearly a
> joke,

Why are you so deceptive?

Your original post was about the cop being there so you wouldn't cross
the line. Noone said the cop would watch you kill someone. Your little
attempt to distract from your pathetic plea for attention is even more
pathetic.

You are a joke.

-Mike K.

03 May 2008 08:51:29

Renli

Re: Punishing a stupid kid

On May 3, 11:47 pm, Mike <mkornecki2...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> On May 3, 12:51 am, Renli <oliver.rich...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Are you trolling?
>
> > No, but the part about me killing her while a cop watches is clearly a
> > joke,
>
> Why are you so deceptive?

Why do you ask stupid questions all the time?

Deceptive? Jesus. You'd accuse someone of being self-serving because
they asked you where the bathroom was. You're a tool.

> Your original post was about the cop being there so you wouldn't cross
> the line.

See? You're dense. In a major way. If thats what you think my post was
about... lol.. what can you say to someone like this? Jesus, what a
dolt!

> You are a joke.

A joke that went waaaay over your head, apparently.

You're not doing very well in this thread, Mike...

-

03 May 2008 09:02:44

Mike

Re: Punishing a stupid kid

On May 3, 11:51=A0am, Renli <oliver.rich...@gmail.com > wrote:

> > > No, but the part about me killing her while a cop watches is clearly a=

> > > joke,
>
> > Why are you so deceptive?
>
> Why do you ask stupid questions all the time?

I admit it is a stupid question, since you are a self proclaimed
phraud. Your reasons are undoubtedly your own. But I ask you over and
over again so that perhaps the message will sink in and you wil
lrealize that you can become more than an idiot.

> > Your original post was about the cop being there so you wouldn't cross
> > the line.
>
> See? You're dense. In a major way. If thats what you think my post was
> about... lol..

I did not say that was *all* your post was about.

Again, you wish to distract. Why is that? Why are you turning this
thread away from the you beating up a little girl angle?

> You're not doing very well in this thread, Mike...

Oh really? How do you figure? What are your standards of measure?

-Mike K.

03 May 2008 09:10:45

Renli

Re: Punishing a stupid kid

On May 4, 12:02 am, Mike <mkornecki2...@yahoo.com > wrote:
>
> > Why do you ask stupid questions all the time?
>
> I admit it is a stupid question,

Yes, it is, but what you say next is unbelievable:

> ...since you are a self proclaimed
> phraud.

What? Lol, hey, nice lie, mike! Any more lies where that came from?

> > You're not doing very well in this thread, Mike...

-

03 May 2008 09:19:10

Mike

Re: Punishing a stupid kid

On May 3, 12:10=A0pm, Renli <oliver.rich...@gmail.com > wrote:

> > ...since you are a self proclaimed
> > phraud.
>
> What? Lol, hey, nice lie, mike! Any more lies where that came from?

You proclaim it on a daily basis. With almost every utterance from
your puppy dog yapper.

But I'm done with adding to your attempt to distract from your
pathetic, attention getting, beat up little kids fantasy.

-Mike K.

03 May 2008 09:24:40

Renli

Re: Punishing a stupid kid

On May 4, 12:19 am, Mike <mkornecki2...@yahoo.com > wrote:

> But I'm done with adding to your attempt to distract from your
> pathetic, attention getting, beat up little kids fantasy.

Thank god!

-

03 May 2008 12:36:54

Mark Goldberg

Re: Punishing a stupid kid

Renli wrote:
> On May 3, 10:22 am, Mark Goldberg <msgoldb...@optonline.net> wrote:
>> Mike wrote:

>>> Hate? I didn't see any hate. Maybe some of us were misled by your
>>> pathetic attempts at attention, but there was no hate directed at you.
>>> Just the usual pity and advice to seek profesional help.
>>> -Mike K.
>> It's just pitiful, the level this nitwit will go too to be noticed.
>> And it's all just play acting because the fact is, the truth is...Oliver
>> isn't but a silly figment of his own imaginings. And beating a child is
>> part of his imaginings.
>>
>> Mark
>
> 3/10 on the goldberg scale - no "oomph" and too short.

I will repeat. You are a pitiful seeker of attention most likely because
you simply cannot get enough. That's all that fuels you. And you brag
about your lapses because you don't have the moral fiber to deal with
what you lack, and thus merely preen about how your testing the waters.

> "...I'm wondering if
> I should show up with the police or just have her kicked out of
> school. My wife says it's probably legal if I beat the shit out of her
> but that I should have a policeman with me to make sure I don't step
> over the line and kill her."

Well, I don't know what makes your wife tick but she seems to know you.
And for the record, what I'd do, would be something like this.

I'd go to the parents,and tell them what happened, and about the tapes.
I would suggest, please, that they do nothing to the child but rather,
let you handle it. In front of the child, I would show the video, and
tell them that they are a thief, who has been caught. I would insist on
gettting the device back from them, and that they have made a grave
error and would now have to pay for their stealing.
I would, if it was me, tell the child, that I was going to make the her,
do manual labor, paint my house, fix my fences, whatever- until the
costs of the thievery is paid off.

The child would be spared a beating, spared public humiliation but
forced to work their time to pay for the act of theft. Then, a man...
not you, but a man, might be able, if they were capable or up to it, to
teach some valuable lessons, to that child. That's where education comes in.

I don't know if I'm that man, or would be, but the opportunity to teach
a child or another human being, comes when one is honest with oneself
and can ask, 'do I have something to show this one, or don't I'?

I would hope, that perhaps, if a certain friendship and understanding
arose after much of the labor was accomplished, by the child, I might be
able to pat them on the back and say...'you've worked very hard and not
complained.''now, you may have my odometer, and you may keep it knowing
you've paid the price and earned it, little one...'

'And remember... now, you've earened this with your sweat, your efforts,
your hard work.' 'A beggar begs, but a thief is just a beggar with no
character, who takes what isn't their's, and possibly harms others
who've perhaps struggled to obtain things in this world.

You have a choice now, to be a thief, to be looking over your shoulder
at being caught, like a sneak, a thief always does, or to be a strong
person- one who has no need to be ashamed for what they've struggled to
obtain.

You may succeed in getting many things, or you may only be able to
obtain a few- but to not have to look over your shoulder, like a sneak,
is a fine enough accomplishment in this world.

It's called strength. It will carry you thru this world thru many
difficulties and give you even more strength to accomplish even more
than you can imagine.

Then I'd give the child a gift....

Now you.... you're a big windbag renli. You're a selfish guy, who brags
and brays and plays with his words, and has so little depth, it's scary.

And shame on you, for your shallowness, and vapid thoughts about this
lost child.

Mark

03 May 2008 14:35:57

travisgod@aol.cominyrface

Re: Punishing a stupid kid

> > 3/10 on the goldberg scale - no "oomph" and too short.
>
> I will repeat. You are a pitiful seeker of attention most likely because
> you simply cannot get enough. That's all that fuels you. And you brag
> about your lapses because you don't have the moral fiber to deal with
> what you lack, and thus merely preen about how your testing the waters.

And you are GIVING HIM SAID ATTENTION.

Figure it out.

Trav

03 May 2008 14:39:02

travisgod@aol.cominyrface

Re: Punishing a stupid kid

On May 3, 12:19=A0pm, Mike <mkornecki2...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> On May 3, 12:10=A0pm, Renli <oliver.rich...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > ...since you are a self proclaimed
> > > phraud.
>
> > What? Lol, hey, nice lie, mike! Any more lies where that came from?
>
> You proclaim it on a daily basis. With almost every utterance from
> your puppy dog yapper.
>
> But I'm done with adding to your attempt to distract from your
> pathetic, attention getting, beat up little kids fantasy.
>
> -Mike K.

Ok, I feel I must intervene here as I guess I am the resident genius
of this forum.

Oliver is SKOOLING you people.

C'mon, this shit is transparent and he's yanking all of your chains
like he has the pink slip to your asses. Give it a fucking rest and
stop taking the gd'd bait.

Trav

03 May 2008 17:42:58

Mark Goldberg

Re: Punishing a stupid kid

travisgod@aol.cominyrface wrote:
>>> 3/10 on the goldberg scale - no "oomph" and too short.
>> I will repeat. You are a pitiful seeker of attention most likely because
>> you simply cannot get enough. That's all that fuels you. And you brag
>> about your lapses because you don't have the moral fiber to deal with
>> what you lack, and thus merely preen about how your testing the waters.
>
> And you are GIVING HIM SAID ATTENTION.
>
> Figure it out.

Fair enough.... but my mistake is trying to reason with the guy.
I can't help but think, maybe, just maybe, he might want to use the
newsgroup to pick up a few things, rather than merely seek attention....

Mark

04 May 2008 00:29:38

Greendistantstar

Re: Punishing a stupid kid

"Renli" <oliver.richman@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:c968eca8-d936-4b82-a25c-1cf21f8dd6d9@j9g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
> On May 3, 11:17 pm, "Greendistantstar"
> <pde63539removet...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>> > Mmm. Well, I'm just remarking on what will happen, she's going to get
>> > the shit beat out of her by her parents, most likely.
>>
>> That's not the issue.
>
> Yes, it is, because you said you would never hit your own kids. You
> seem to think it's morally wrong (correct me if I didn't understand
> what you said). You asked me if I hit my own kids. You said if I hit
> your kids you'd take revenge (in such a case probably a good thing to
> do on your part). So yes, it IS the issue - if you didn't notice it is
> the main issue I was trying to bring out. What is acceptable
> punishment? How would YOU punish your kids, Peter? For the most
> serious of offenses? Say, random petty theft? If your kids were 10.

This issue has been discussed before, and your raising it is merely deflection on
your part.

> There's something in it for me, too, yes - I'll gain wisdom as a
> parent. As of yet my child is too young to be punished ( not even 1
> year old). I'll learn something from it all, of course. Now, I wonder
> which of the deadbolts will accuse me of being self-serving ;-)
>
>> >> My father did not hit me, nor do I hit my children.
>>
>> >> Do you hit yours?
>>
>> > Of course not.
>>
>> But you hit your students. How's that work?
>
> Hit? What does this mean, to hit? A slap on the wrist? A hard punch to
> the kidneys, or perhaps breaking someone's nose? We should define the
> terms, Peter, since you seem to be implying I am injuring a student.
> Nothing could be further from the truth, so we should define the
> terms. Anyways - as I've said something like seven or eight times by
> now I won't be hitting anyone. So maybe it isn't even important to
> define the terms.

The term 'hit' as in common assault. It's a simple concept, applied almost
universally.

If you want a debate about how it works, save it for your legal defence.

>> >> But hitting OTHER PEOPLE'S KIDS?
>>
>> >> Get outta here....it's NOT ON.
>>
>> > Peter - word to the wise - it's rather plodding and stupid to keep
>> > pushing this angle, it's kind of obvious I'm not going to be doing
>> > that. It was nearly self-evident from the OP, and it's been said
>> > several times now.
>>
>> I'm not talking about what may happen to her; I'm talking about what you
>> stated
>> you are doing NOW.
>
> You mean right now? What did I say I was doing right now, exactly?

Don't you ever tire of such nonsense?

>> >> >> In my jurisdiction, it's YOU that's off to jail right now, and Bubba in
>> >> >> Cell Block C is gonna have a new toy to play with tonight.
>
> See, this is the problem. You're being obtuse.

No, you're being obtuse, offering debate about what constitutes a hit etc.

>You know bloody well it
> isn't that serious - not from a reading of the action but from your
> interpretation of what the action is. Surely, after all this time, you
> don't think I am even so much as leaving a mark on anyone. Mostly
> because I don't really (ahem) "hit" students, Peter.

Yet you said you do. Do you or don't you?

> But damn, the principal of your school must have been such a stupid
> and evil man for caning so many students who didn't deserve such
> treatment. Hmm.

The principal and half the teachers.....

>> >> > Yes, as a citizen of Canada I know all about that. But you're telling
>> >> > me you've never gotten "the belt" or "the cane"?
>>
>> >> That's right, and at my high school, the cane was dished out more often
>> >> than
>> >> hot
>> >> food.
>>
>> > So you were a good kid -
>>
>> I didn't say that.
>
> What did you say then by telling me at your high school the cane was
> dished out and you never got it?

There is another option....hasn't occurred to you, has it?

>> >the point is, you grew up in that
>> > environment.
>>
>> You have no idea of what environnmet I gerw up in.
>
> Lol, you just fucking told me what environment you grew up in within
> the context of this discussion, Peter. Take a step back, you're
> starting to go off the deep end again.

No, you're making an assumption, and that assumption is wrong.

>> >> > Keep in mind, that it's a different culture here, and the quickest way
>> >> > to ensconce yourself as an idiot is to rail against something just
>> >> > because it's different from what you know.
>>
>> >> Fuck that shit. If you're a teacher and you can't control your students
>> >> without
>> >> hitting them, you have no right to be a teacher. Period.
>>
>> > Don't worry about me, Peter :) I'm doing just fine with and without
>> > the stick.
>>
>> You just said you hit students with bamboo sticks. Are you insane?
>
> Hmm, I went and looked at every post I made above this one - I don't
> see where I said I hit students with bamboo sticks.
> Pay very close
> attention now. I said I hit myself to show them I meant business, and
> you jumped in like the fuckwad you are with your assumptions. I don't
> hit students peter, if I did I wouldn't have hit myself to make them
> shut up.

Better re-read what you wrote, then.

> I don't know - you claim to be a pretty intelligent fellow - do you
> get it now? Or do I need to tell you a seventh time?

Read above.

>> >> > It isn't "beating them up", Peter. It's hitting their hand with a
>> >> > naughty stick. Don't assume.
>>
>> >> Hitting kids in school with bamboo canes is fucked up.
>>
>> > Well, maybe
>>
>> No, not 'maybe'......IS.
>
> Like Singapore? Don't spit on the street on your way through, Peter.

Yes, it's fucked up there alright. You ever been there? My wife teaches there on
occasion.

You seem to forget our close links to Asia.

>> > nowadays things are very different, aren't they?
>>
>> Not where you're a teacher, apparently....
>
> That's part of the point.
>
>> >> You hit one of my kids, I'd make you wish you were dead.
>>
>> > Well that's the difference between you and me. If you hit one of my
>> > kids, you *would* be dead. ;-)
>>
>> Then watch out some like-minded parent doesn't decide to show YOU why it's
>> wrong,
>> eh?
>
> I don't need to watch out, Peter.
>
> You OTOH need to take a step back and stop making so many assuptions.
> I know why you WANT it to be true - but it just isn't - and by forcing
> it into an issue you're embarrassing yourself. Anyways let's say no
> more about this, I have no wish to sully your good name here. If you
> don't wish to talk about the central issues i've brought up, I quite
> understand, but by the same token I won't be entertaining this
> bantering crap from you anymore either ;-)

You should re-read what you wrote.
--
GDS

"Let's roll!"

03 May 2008 18:00:41

Renli

Re: Punishing a stupid kid

On May 4, 12:36 am, Mark Goldberg <msgoldb...@optonline.net > wrote:
> Renli wrote:
> > On May 3, 10:22 am, Mark Goldberg <msgoldb...@optonline.net> wrote:
> >> Mike wrote:
> >>> Hate? I didn't see any hate. Maybe some of us were misled by your
> >>> pathetic attempts at attention, but there was no hate directed at you.
> >>> Just the usual pity and advice to seek profesional help.
> >>> -Mike K.
> >> It's just pitiful, the level this nitwit will go too to be noticed.
> >> And it's all just play acting because the fact is, the truth is...Oliver
> >> isn't but a silly figment of his own imaginings. And beating a child is
> >> part of his imaginings.
>
> >> Mark
>
> > 3/10 on the goldberg scale - no "oomph" and too short.
>
> I will repeat. You are a pitiful seeker of attention most likely because
> you simply cannot get enough. That's all that fuels you. And you brag
> about your lapses because you don't have the moral fiber to deal with
> what you lack, and thus merely preen about how your testing the waters.
>
> > "...I'm wondering if
> > I should show up with the police or just have her kicked out of
> > school. My wife says it's probably legal if I beat the shit out of her
> > but that I should have a policeman with me to make sure I don't step
> > over the line and kill her."
>
> Well, I don't know what makes your wife tick but she seems to know you.
> And for the record, what I'd do, would be something like this.
>
> I'd go to the parents,and tell them what happened, and about the tapes.
> I would suggest, please, that they do nothing to the child but rather,
> let you handle it. In front of the child, I would show the video, and
> tell them that they are a thief, who has been caught. I would insist on
> gettting the device back from them, and that they have made a grave
> error and would now have to pay for their stealing.
> I would, if it was me, tell the child, that I was going to make the her,
> do manual labor, paint my house, fix my fences, whatever- until the
> costs of the thievery is paid off.
>
> The child would be spared a beating, spared public humiliation but
> forced to work their time to pay for the act of theft. Then, a man...
> not you, but a man, might be able, if they were capable or up to it, to
> teach some valuable lessons, to that child. That's where education comes in.
>
> I don't know if I'm that man, or would be, but the opportunity to teach
> a child or another human being, comes when one is honest with oneself
> and can ask, 'do I have something to show this one, or don't I'?
>
> I would hope, that perhaps, if a certain friendship and understanding
> arose after much of the labor was accomplished, by the child, I might be
> able to pat them on the back and say...'you've worked very hard and not
> complained.''now, you may have my odometer, and you may keep it knowing
> you've paid the price and earned it, little one...'
>
> 'And remember... now, you've earened this with your sweat, your efforts,
> your hard work.' 'A beggar begs, but a thief is just a beggar with no
> character, who takes what isn't their's, and possibly harms others
> who've perhaps struggled to obtain things in this world.
>
> You have a choice now, to be a thief, to be looking over your shoulder
> at being caught, like a sneak, a thief always does, or to be a strong
> person- one who has no need to be ashamed for what they've struggled to
> obtain.
>
> You may succeed in getting many things, or you may only be able to
> obtain a few- but to not have to look over your shoulder, like a sneak,
> is a fine enough accomplishment in this world.
>
> It's called strength. It will carry you thru this world thru many
> difficulties and give you even more strength to accomplish even more
> than you can imagine.
>
> Then I'd give the child a gift....
>
> Now you.... you're a big windbag renli. You're a selfish guy, who brags
> and brays and plays with his words, and has so little depth, it's scary.
>
> And shame on you, for your shallowness, and vapid thoughts about this
> lost child.
>
> Mark

Lol.. jesus.. ok, 8.5/10 on the goldberg scale. Extra points for "a
man, not you, but a man.." and "now, you may have my odometer, and you
may keep it knowing
> you've paid the price and earned it, little one..."!! also, for accusing me of being a windbag when you post around 6.5x more by volume than I do. A real bang up job. Congradulations, mark! you really EARNED this 8.5/10!

-

03 May 2008 18:02:03

Renli

Re: Punishing a stupid kid

On May 4, 5:42 am, Mark Goldberg <msgoldb...@optonline.net > wrote:
> travis...@aol.cominyrface wrote:
> >>> 3/10 on the goldberg scale - no "oomph" and too short.
> >> I will repeat. You are a pitiful seeker of attention most likely because
> >> you simply cannot get enough. That's all that fuels you. And you brag
> >> about your lapses because you don't have the moral fiber to deal with
> >> what you lack, and thus merely preen about how your testing the waters.
>
> > And you are GIVING HIM SAID ATTENTION.
>
> > Figure it out.
>
> Fair enough.... but my mistake is trying to reason with the guy.
> I can't help but think, maybe, just maybe, he might want to use the
> newsgroup to pick up a few things, rather than merely seek attention....

I do - but not from you. You have nothing to offer except criticism
without advice. And if you want to know why I am taking your post here
seriously and not the previous one - it is short, to the point, and
registers about 1/10 on the goldberg scale.

Figure it out.

-

03 May 2008 21:21:43

Mark Goldberg

Re: Punishing a stupid kid

Renli wrote:

>
> Figure it out.
>
> -
You're a facile, phony... a baloney tosser all day long.
Forget it sonny boy. That little kid will get no help, from such as you.
You don't have anything, to offer that one.....

Mark

03 May 2008 21:24:46

Mark Goldberg

Re: Punishing a stupid kid

travisgod@aol.cominyrface wrote:

>
> C'mon, this shit is transparent and he's yanking all of your chains
> like he has the pink slip to your asses. Give it a fucking rest and
> stop taking the gd'd bait.

And I disagree.... you see, fake or not... it's all he is.

If there was a kid, he could offer no better than he's spewing, because
this is his limit, this is all he has, and that's the joke, the sad
joke....

Mark

03 May 2008 19:32:48

Sam the Bam

Re: Punishing a stupid kid

On May 2, Renli <oliver.rich...@gmail.com > wrote:
> So after ten months of parking my bike without locking it up, some
> stupid kid decided to steal my odometer. It's one of those fancy cat-
> eye digital deals that does everything - even calories. It's worth a
> pretty penny, about half the cost of my bike.

> Any ideas on how I should play this?
> even though the kid is likely 10 or 12.
> My wife says it's probably legal if I beat the shit out of her

With what, tie chee?

> but that I should have a policeman with me to make sure I
> don't step over the line and kill her.

You need a cop for your own protection...
12 year old girl over Ollie, by head lock, 1:12, round 1

> Any thoughts?

What was she wearing?

Sam

03 May 2008 23:53:50

Mark Goldberg

Re: Punishing a stupid kid

Renli wrote:

> Well, SOMEONE sure is pitiful, ehh mark? *wink wink* *nudge nudge*

Yes Oliver....and once again, an entire thread is laughing at you

04 May 2008 14:49:35

Kadaitcha Man

Re: Punishing a stupid kid

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> You have no idea of what environmet I gew up in.

Perhaps not, but it won't be difficult to make up some bullshit to out-do
your bullshit.

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04 May 2008 14:54:38

Kadaitcha Man

Re: Punishing a stupid kid

"Greendistantstar" <pde63539removethis@bigpond.net.au > wrote in message
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> My father did not hit me

He must've realised he wouldn't be able to bear the deafining, clanging gong
sound when he hit you upside the lughole with a 4x2.

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04 May 2008 10:47:19

Greendistantstar

Re: Punishing a stupid kid

"Kadaitcha Man" <nospam.nospam.nospam@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1rg4pr.fot.19.1@news.alt.net...
> "Greendistantstar" <pde63539removethis@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
> news:Yl%Sj.7271$ko5.6561@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>
>> You have no idea of what environmet I gew up in.
>
>
> Perhaps not, but it won't be difficult to make up some bullshit to out-do your
> bullshit.

I see my flogging of you in another thread has somehow emboldened you.

Let us therefore add 'masochist' to dickless and clueless.
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04 May 2008 10:49:09

Greendistantstar

Re: Punishing a stupid kid

"Kadaitcha Man" <nospam.nospam.nospam@gmail.com > wrote in message
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> "Greendistantstar" <pde63539removethis@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
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>
>> My father did not hit me
>
> He must've realised he wouldn't be able to bear the deafining, clanging gong
> sound when he hit you upside the lughole with a 4x2.

If your mommy can remember which one of her tricks was your daddy, you can ask
him what he did to you.
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04 May 2008 08:02:12

Renli

Re: Punishing a stupid kid

On May 4, 9:24 am, Mark Goldberg <msgoldb...@optonline.net > wrote:
> travis...@aol.cominyrface wrote:
>
> > C'mon, this shit is transparent and he's yanking all of your chains
> > like he has the pink slip to your asses. Give it a fucking rest and
> > stop taking the gd'd bait.
>
> And I disagree.... you see, fake or not... it's all he is.

Do you wish to disagree me?

> If there was a kid, he could offer no better than he's spewing,

Do you wish that there was a kid he could offer no better than hes
spewing?

> because this is his limit, this is all he has, and that's the joke,
> the sad joke....

Do any other reasons not come to mind?

> Mark

Please, go on.

-

04 May 2008 09:27:50

travisgod@aol.cominyrface

Re: Punishing a stupid kid

On May 4, 12:49=A0am, "Kadaitcha Man" <nospam.nospam.nos...@gmail.com >
wrote:
> "Greendistantstar" <pde63539removet...@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
>
> news:Yl%Sj.7271$ko5.6561@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>
> > You have no idea of what environmet I gew up in.
>
> Perhaps not, but it won't be difficult to make up some bullshit to out-do
> your bullshit.

Are you still here? Haven't you had enough pimpslaps yet?

Trav

04 May 2008 14:33:51

Mark Goldberg

Re: Punishing a stupid kid

Renli wrote:

> Please, go on.
>
> -

This thread displays you at your best.
Fake, real, it doesn't matter... it's your best.

And it's revolting. That poor kid, who might've had someone bring her,
to a better understanding, a lesson, has instead.... such as you.
Whether it's real or not, you're the pitiful example, by your own words,
of what she has in store.

I feel for the kid.

Mark

04 May 2008 14:47:36

Mark Goldberg

Re: Punishing a stupid kid

Renli wrote:
>
> Please, go on.
>
> -
That child, has instead of someonewho might bring her out of her errors,
one, you... with no heart, no sense,and only the incessant need to
preen, and play at life.

Don't waste your time being mad at others, who have critiqued you in
similar manner. Try maybe to change, instead of using the newsgroups to
merely harp, harangue and pretend.

Maybe, you'd become a different kind of person....

04 May 2008 17:44:03

Mark Goldberg

Re: Punishing a stupid kid

Renli wrote:
Extra points for "a
> man, not you, but a man.." and "now, you may have my odometer, and you
> may keep it knowing
>> you've paid the price and earned it, little one..."!! also, for accusing me of being
a windbag when you post around 6.5x more by volume than I do. A real
bang up job.
Congradulations, mark! you really EARNED this 8.5/10!
>
> -

And as I've indicated... you're just a putz, not a man, and no one to be
giving advice to anyone, let alone a youngster, whether it be real, or
fictional.

You're a dreary, drip.... and that's as they say....

That.

Mark

05 May 2008 08:19:22

Kadaitcha Man

Re: Punishing a stupid kid

"Greendistantstar"