29 Jul 2004 17:52:34
PearlJam09
My legs feel like weights

So I picked up my mileage last week going from about 12 weekly spread
over 4 days (3x4) along with ultimate frisbee to 19 weekly over 4 days
(6,3,7,3) and then played in a beach tourney last weekend. This week
when I've been running, my legs feel like I have absolutely no energy
to move them and they are very heavy and I have also been getting side
stitch pretty bad. This is also affecting me on the ultimate field as
I feel like I'm running in slow motion. Anyone have any tips?

--Jake


30 Jul 2004 00:55:45
TheBillRodgerz
Re: My legs feel like weights

>I feel like I'm running in slow motion. Anyone have any tips?

Masturbation will slow you down, cut back to 15 or 20x a day.


30 Jul 2004 01:09:24
Lyndon
Re: My legs feel like weights

>So I picked up my mileage last week going from about 12 weekly spread
>over 4 days (3x4) along with ultimate frisbee to 19 weekly over 4 days
>(6,3,7,3) and then played in a beach tourney last weekend. This week
>when I've been running, my legs feel like I have absolutely no energy
>to move them and they are very heavy and I have also been getting side
>stitch pretty bad. This is also affecting me on the ultimate field as
>I feel like I'm running in slow motion. Anyone have any tips?

Now you know why many of us recommend the 10 percent rule: Don't increase your
mileage more than 10 percent in any one week. For now: cut your mileage back
sharply (like you increased it) so you can recover, then increase it at a more
responsible (moderate) rate.

Lyndon
"Speed Kills...It kills those that don't have it!" --US Olympic Track Coach
Brooks Johnson



30 Jul 2004 04:26:45
PearlJam09
Re: My legs feel like weights

> Now you know why many of us recommend the 10 percent rule: Don't increase your
> mileage more than 10 percent in any one week. For now: cut your mileage back
> sharply (like you increased it) so you can recover, then increase it at a more
> responsible (moderate) rate.
>
> Lyndon
> "Speed Kills...It kills those that don't have it!" --US Olympic Track Coach
> Brooks Johnson

Because of this I've done 2 days x 3 miles this week and I am thinking
about doing another 3 miles today. I have a major frisbee tournament
tomorrow. Is it wise to run the 3 miles today in addition to ultimate
practice, or should I take today off from running 3 miles and maybe do
2x400M and 8x100M on the track (with small warmup/cooldown). I dont
know whether i'm actually slower than I was, and am hoping I can find
out on the track today (and how much slower I am). I knew about the
10% thing, and should have listened. Figured I was young and
invincible. My mistake.

--Jake
"When a ball dreams, it dreams its a frisbee."


30 Jul 2004 12:12:52
Donovan Rebbechi
Re: My legs feel like weights

On 2004-07-30, PearlJam09 <pearljam09@aol.com > wrote:
> So I picked up my mileage last week going from about 12 weekly spread
> over 4 days (3x4) along with ultimate frisbee to 19 weekly over 4 days
> (6,3,7,3) and then played in a beach tourney last weekend. This week
> when I've been running, my legs feel like I have absolutely no energy
> to move them and they are very heavy and I have also been getting side
> stitch pretty bad.

How fast have you been doing your training runs ? Of course there's the
10% rule and all that, but you've got to start somewhere (a 10% increase
over zero is still zero) and 19mpw shouldn't kill you.

If you're getting a side stitch during your run, it's probably that you're
doing your training runs too quickly. This will also lead to overtraining
very quickly. Based on the paces you posted earlier, you should be doing your
runs at 8:00 to 8:30 minutes per mile.

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/


30 Jul 2004 12:17:12
Donovan Rebbechi
Re: My legs feel like weights

On 2004-07-30, PearlJam09 <pearljam09@aol.com > wrote:
>> Now you know why many of us recommend the 10 percent rule: Don't increase your
>> mileage more than 10 percent in any one week. For now: cut your mileage back
>> sharply (like you increased it) so you can recover, then increase it at a more
>> responsible (moderate) rate.
>>
>> Lyndon
>> "Speed Kills...It kills those that don't have it!" --US Olympic Track Coach
>> Brooks Johnson
>
> Because of this I've done 2 days x 3 miles this week and I am thinking
> about doing another 3 miles today. I have a major frisbee tournament
> tomorrow. Is it wise to run the 3 miles today in addition to ultimate
> practice, or should I take today off from running 3 miles and maybe do
> 2x400M and 8x100M on the track (with small warmup/cooldown). I dont
> know whether i'm actually slower than I was, and am hoping I can find
> out on the track today (and how much slower I am).

No, the last thing you need when you're in an overtrained state is track
work (especially if the overtraining came from running too quickly).

Heavy training will slow you down, but it's only a temporary effect. If
you took 2 days off *then* did a time trial, you'd run fast. But save
your time. Such diversions won't help you a whole lot, especially if you're
still trying to do the marathon.

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/


30 Jul 2004 11:50:08
PearlJam09
Re: My legs feel like weights

>
> No, the last thing you need when you're in an overtrained state is track
> work (especially if the overtraining came from running too quickly).
>
> Heavy training will slow you down, but it's only a temporary effect. If
> you took 2 days off *then* did a time trial, you'd run fast. But save
> your time. Such diversions won't help you a whole lot, especially if you're
> still trying to do the marathon.
>
Not still trying to do the marathon. I dont think it was the 19miles
that hurt me. I think it was the 19 miles + 5 days of ultimate (2 of
them on the soft beach sand). I dont think its from running too
quickly. I wasn't getting the sidestitch when I was doing the
training runs at 730ish pace. I think it may be because of lack of
water consumption over the day (definately not 8-10 cups of H2O).
Should I take today off so that I'm fresh for tomorrow's tourney, or
should I do 3 miles easy? Let me know asap. Thanks.


30 Jul 2004 19:13:04
Donovan Rebbechi
Re: My legs feel like weights

On 2004-07-30, PearlJam09 <pearljam09@aol.com > wrote:

> Not still trying to do the marathon.

In that case, go easy on the milage for now -- about 15 miles per week should
be fine. Or whatever milage you can do without beating yourself up too much.

> I dont think it was the 19miles that hurt me. I think it was the 19 miles +
> 5 days of ultimate (2 of them on the soft beach sand).

Of course. These things all interact. The soft sand will really beat up your
leg muscles.

> I dont think its from running too
> quickly. I wasn't getting the sidestitch when I was doing the
> training runs at 730ish pace.

Again, that's probably true to some extent. You can do a small amount of milage
at a fast pace. You can do a large amount of milage at a low pace. You can even
do both (easy milage and short speedwork). What you can't do is a lot of milage
at a fast pace.

Anyway, keep the training runs at 8:00-8:30, and it will be easier to do milage
without tiring yourself out. If you still get tired out, it means the training
load is too great (for now)

> I think it may be because of lack of
> water consumption over the day (definately not 8-10 cups of H2O).

You'd get different problems if hydration was a problem. It's not water. It's
some sort of overtraining. It may not have all that much to do with the
running, playing ultimate could be the primary factor.

> Should I take today off

Yes.

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/


31 Jul 2004 10:52:33
polar bear
Re: My legs feel like weights

TheBillRodgerz wrote:
>>I feel like I'm running in slow motion. Anyone have any tips?
>
>
> Masturbation will slow you down, cut back to 15 or 20x a day.

From kind of speed improvement can I expect after that ?

--
polar bear


02 Aug 2004 09:57:47
Miss Anne Thrope
Re: My legs feel like weights

Putz.