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| 29 Apr 2008 12:25:15 |
| rms |
| Race Report: Big Sur Marathon |
2008 Big Sur Marathon http://www.bsim.org A few (warning hi-res) pics at http://home.flash.net/~rsquires/moo/ You lucked out on the weather! said one of the volunteers, as we stood in line pre-dawn for the buses to the start line: 55F, someone mentioned nearby, unseasonably warm; apparently 40s are typical for race day, and the Catalina start last month was in the 30s. I recall reading that this year the major cyclical ocean currents have changed, perhaps that explains it? A perfect day in any case, with California condors circling far above the starting line. I saw redwing blackbirds, scrubjays, and acorn woodpeckers later on. As we waited, Jeff Galloway, a race vet, expressed misgivings about the warmth, while warning us not to drink more than 4-6oz at each waterstop. 'Maybe for the elites', I thought. 'Babbling.' 'This guy's batshit crazy!' And proceeded to refill my 20oz bottle with gatorade at most of the 13 waterstops. Along with a 24oz bottle pre-race, fresh strawberries, banana pieces, Scaps, and snakeoil (Mona Vie and FRS) packets along the way. My performance was astoundingly mediocre, 4:30 putting me exactly at mid-pack. Though volunteers called out split-times every mile or two, having no sense of pace to begin with this meant little to me, and with the presence of so many people from mixed entry classes and the festival atmosphere, I tended to run with the crowd. At Catalina with many fewer people I naturally focused on catching up with someone ahead without being aware of it, which, along with the cooler temps probably accounts for the lower 4:15 time there (and Catalina probably isn't a full marathon distance anyway). Jeff Galloway repeatedly said pre-race to take short strides downhill to avoid muscle overextension, and to save resources for the second half, and that advice I certainly did take, slowing down whenever my hamstrings started tightening up, though actually walking very little. I was never in distress of any kind, had no cramping in the race, only one brief pee stop at mid-point, and at 20miles did wake up a bit and began picking up the pace slightly, gradually accelerating til the last mile I was sprinting (well, 'sprinting') all the way to the finish. It did feel good sweeping past droves of people, though most of them were walkers! No cramping post-race, and a 5mile walk to the airport later on worked out much of the muscle stiffness. Interestingly, I noticed none of the salt trails I usually get on my face or shirt. Whether this is a result of the higher humidity or an indication that my body chemistry is more balanced now, I have no idea, but for now I'll take it as a sign that drinking more is a good thing. Equipment-wise, I wanted to dispense with sunscreen entirely, and wore a longsleeve coolmax jersey (I've ordered a couple plain white ones for future use), sunhat, and a pair of fingerless 'sun gloves', marketed to canoers, from REI. There are a couple other makers of these type of summer gloves, marketed towards fishermen, but most stores are totally clueless about specialty items like this. The REI gloves worked perfectly but do look a bit odd, and if anyone's tried the Columbia glove I'd like to hear a review! Here are links to a few different models: http://www.spfstore.com/Columbia-PFG-Fingerless-Glove-p/su9207.htm http://www.ramseyoutdoor.com/products/details.aspx?g=mens+clothing&sg=gloves&ssg=&pid=SUNGLOVESM http://www.rei.com/product/685194 Also, I ditched the lapbelt waterbottles for this race and got a handheld model at the race expo: http://www.ultimatedirection.com/product.php?id=12&page=handhelds I loved it, and wish it was useable in all races. Tying up both hands by carrying two seems like a bad idea to me though while trailrunning, but you see many photos of runners doing exactly that, so who knows, but the prospect of ditching the clip-on belt for these and a pair of racing shorts with multiple external stitched-on pockets is attractive. Next race: Jemez Mountain 50mile Trail Run http://www.highaltitudeathletics.org/JemezMt.htm I'm not quite as frightened of this as I was before Big Sur, and am thinking that, as long as I slow down when my muscles begin tightening up, take shorter strides and avoid overextending on downhills, and maintain a constant fluid intake (I'm aiming at 64oz per hour -- the Jemez will be much hotter, much drier, and much higher up than these wimpy kidstuff California runs), I might finish with some dignity and not be walking 20miles with a mass of cramps for legs. We'll see! rms |
| 30 Apr 2008 21:50:20 |
| jobs |
| Re: Race Report: Big Sur Marathon |
rms wrote: > 2008 Big Sur Marathon > http://www.bsim.org > A few (warning hi-res) pics at http://home.flash.net/~rsquires/moo/ Nice pics. I've driven through that area many times and it's always green. The piano-man shot was cool. What did he play? :) > > You lucked out on the weather! said one of the volunteers, as we stood in > line pre-dawn for the buses to the start line: 55F, someone mentioned > nearby, unseasonably warm; apparently 40s are typical for race day, and the > Catalina start last month was in the 30s. I recall reading that this year > the major cyclical ocean currents have changed, perhaps that explains it? A > perfect day in any case, with California condors circling far above the > starting line. I saw redwing blackbirds, scrubjays, and acorn woodpeckers > later on. 55F is very nice. Was it windy at all? > My performance was astoundingly mediocre, 4:30 putting me exactly at > mid-pack. But, it's still a marathon. > Though volunteers called out split-times every mile or two, > having no sense of pace to begin with this meant little to me, The hilly course would mess it up anyway, if you're not experienced enough. > > Jeff Galloway repeatedly said pre-race to take short strides downhill to > avoid muscle overextension, and to save resources for the second half, and > that advice I certainly did take, slowing down whenever my hamstrings > started tightening up, though actually walking very little. I was never in > distress of any kind, had no cramping in the race, only one brief pee stop > at mid-point, and at 20miles did wake up a bit and began picking up the pace > slightly, gradually accelerating til the last mile I was sprinting (well, > 'sprinting') all the way to the finish. It did feel good sweeping past > droves of people, though most of them were walkers! No cramping post-race, > and a 5mile walk to the airport You walked 5 miles after that? > later on worked out much of the muscle > stiffness. Interestingly, I noticed none of the salt trails I usually get > on my face or shirt. I get that when it's really hot. In cooler temperatures, even if I sweat a ton, I don't get them. > Also, I ditched the lapbelt waterbottles for this race and got a handheld > model at the race expo: > http://www.ultimatedirection.com/product.php?id=12&page=handhelds Doesn't it hurt your arms/hands? > I loved it, and wish it was useable in all races. Tying up both hands by > carrying two seems like a bad idea to me though while trailrunning, Maybe for better balance? ;-) > but you > see many photos of runners doing exactly that, so who knows, but the > prospect of ditching the clip-on belt for these and a pair of racing shorts > with multiple external stitched-on pockets is attractive. > > Next race: Jemez Mountain 50mile Trail Run Good luck. Thanks for the race report. jobs ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com** |
| 01 May 2008 05:03:33 |
| Re: Race Report: Big Sur Marathon |
On Apr 29, 2:25=A0pm, "rms" <rsqui...@REMOVEflashMOO.net > wrote: snip Thanks for the report I guess. Sounds like nice weather and pretty scenery. As far as a minor rant goes, I am just not understanding the desire of so many people to enter in these kind of "participation-athons" or "survive-athons". Is it some kind of thing to tell people that you know socially, or at work, etc "I am a marathoner?". When people talk about passing people for miles who are walking well it just doesn't sound like a race at all. There are certainly people making money "training" others in how to "race" these kinds of distances. Financially I guess also for the event organizers it makes sense to encourage as many entries as you can accomodate. On the positive side it is certainly more healthy than sitting on the couch watching television. But calling it a "race" ... questionable in my mind anyhow. |
| 01 May 2008 13:25:47 |
| Tim Downie |
| Re: Race Report: Big Sur Marathon |
rms wrote: > > As we waited, Jeff Galloway, a race vet, expressed misgivings about > the warmth, while warning us not to drink more than 4-6oz at each > waterstop. 'Maybe for the elites', I thought. 'Babbling.' 'This > guy's batshit crazy!' And proceeded to refill my 20oz bottle with gatorade > at most of the 13 > waterstops. Why? Were you that thirsty? [...] > Interestingly, I noticed none of the salt trails I > usually get on my face or shirt. Whether this is a result of the higher > humidity > or an indication that my body chemistry is more balanced now, I have no > idea, but for now I'll take it as a sign that drinking more is a good > thing. I think that's a dangerous assumption, or at least not one justified by that bit of evidence. Sure, your weather conditions were a million miles removed from mine (this is what it was like for the first half http://www.zen31010.zen.co.uk/highlandflingrace/images/fling08images/winners/DSC_0012.JPG) but nor was it *that* hot. As I've tried to point out, nobody dies from a bit of dehydration. Overhydration is far more dangerous. Of course you have to find out what is best for *you* and I can't know that from here. Just don't go making assumptions based on dodgy evidence. [...] > Next race: Jemez Mountain 50mile Trail Run > http://www.highaltitudeathletics.org/JemezMt.htm > I'm not quite as frightened of this as I was before Big Sur, and am > thinking that, as long as I slow down when my muscles begin tightening up, > take > shorter strides and avoid overextending on downhills, and maintain a > constant fluid intake (I'm aiming at 64oz per hour -- the Jemez will > be much hotter, much drier, and much higher up than these wimpy kidstuff > California runs), So you're planning on taking every hour what I took over about 9 hours? ;-) Not disagreeing with the need for more in that environment though. I really think for an ultra distance trail you should be basing you requirements on *thirst*, not any preconcievd idea of what you *should* be doing. Second guessing mother nature over that sort of distance could be dangerous. >I might finish with some dignity and not be walking 20miles > with a mass of cramps for legs. We'll see! Good luck! Tim |
| 01 May 2008 13:35:12 |
| Tony S. |
| Re: Race Report: Big Sur Marathon |
"rms" <rsquires@REMOVEflashMOO.net > wrote in message news:gKJRj.12490$GE1.9919@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com... > 2008 Big Sur Marathon > http://www.bsim.org > A few (warning hi-res) pics at http://home.flash.net/~rsquires/moo/ > >snip< You seem to be enjoying your tour of a variety of races, thanks for the report. Sounds like you're becoming more of a runner than a multi-sport athlete? > Next race: Jemez Mountain 50mile Trail Run > http://www.highaltitudeathletics.org/JemezMt.htm > I'm not quite as frightened of this as I was before Big Sur, and am > thinking that, as long as I slow down when my muscles begin tightening up, > take shorter strides and avoid overextending on downhills, and maintain a > constant fluid intake (I'm aiming at 64oz per hour -- the Jemez will be > much hotter, much drier, and much higher up than these wimpy kidstuff > California runs), I might finish with some dignity and not be walking > 20miles with a mass of cramps for legs. We'll see! > > rms Wow, now that looks like some nice terrain and a really tough race. Serious elevation and altitude there. Have you done a 50 before? Await your report on that one! Looks like a quad-buster to me. -Tony |
| 01 May 2008 10:06:01 |
| rms |
| Re: Race Report: Big Sur Marathon |
> Why? Were you that thirsty? Firstly, please understand my 'jeff galloway' comments were not a backhanded snipe at your own excellent report. I wrote that well before seeing that thread. As for Jeff Galloway himself, well drinking many gallons of plain water certainly *is* a bad idea. But people tend to stick to what they learned in the past, and sportsdrinks didn't even exist 20 years ago. I think the 'maintain a constant weight' approach is better for me. I already know from long run & bike efforts locally that I lose many lbs during the course of them, and that post/during-event muscle aches/cramping seem highly correlated with how much I intake pre/during. In general, the 5 marathon events I've done so far this year have been my most consistent and successful, in large part I believe from increasing my intake. No I have not gotten faster, but that's a separate training issue. The only times I've felt bad lately are when I'm out by myself and lose track of time and intake. My main concern now is feeling good during and after the event, and in that respect this last event was the most successful ever for me: I performed at the same level as the last four previous, while experiencing no cramp twinges either during or after, and now a few days later feel essentially the same as before the event. While increasing my intake during and after. This time I also drank a quart of decaf greentea (I tear the bags open and drink the leaves also) + EmergenC electrolyte/vitamin packets + weak gatorade twice a day after the event, and find it has a nice loosening effect on stiff muscles. I'm thinking lots of electrolytes and anti-oxidants are beneficial. In any case, how much did I actually drink during this event? Around 2 gallons. 2 gallons over 5 hours, boy that looks miles away from any danger zone to me, when it's not plain water, and I'm taking electrolyte capsules, and weighed basically the same before and after. Glancing at the intake table in the back of Karnazes' book for his 200mile run, he drank around 5oz/mile, and I drank 10. Well, he's 8" shorter, 20lbs lighter. And his rate of food intake looks quite high. > Sure, your weather conditions were a million miles removed from mine (this > is what it was like for the first half > http://www.zen31010.zen.co.uk/highlandflingrace/images/fling08images/winners/DSC_0012.JPG Oy. It was actually raining for a full marathon distance in your race? 100% humidity and the cooling effect of rain makes a profound difference in your intake levels. I've experienced this myself running in rain in the mountains here: even my *eyes* feel better in high humidity -- my contacts maintain a higher hydration level and I actually see better. This is indeed a million miles removed from 8% humidity, 70F+ and 6000-10000ft conditions that I run/bike in here locally. And *huge* kudos and highfives for your performance. After shuffling through my first 50k at Palo Duro last year I hung around to see the 50mile winner come in. I was jumping and pumping my fists, more excited than he was :) Eagerly awaiting a detailed race report from your 100miler with lots of pics! rms |
| 01 May 2008 10:55:26 |
| Re: Race Report: Big Sur Marathon |
I've run 2 BSIM's before and this was by far the hottest-ever race day. Saturday the high was 72, unheard of in Carmel in April. I thought the organization of the race was great, as always. So was the Sam Adams beer in the tent at the end of the race. Hurricane Point, as always, was hell, as were the Carmel Highlands and slant of the road. As for hydrating, I drink 24 ounces per hour, every hour of a marathon. You need to hydrate, especially on a course in direct sunlight with limited shade. In any case, it's the best marathon I've ever run in, the most scenic and best organized. The volunteers are awesome! |
| 01 May 2008 19:32:28 |
| Dot |
| Re: Race Report: Big Sur Marathon |
rms wrote: > sportsdrinks didn't even exist 20 > years ago. Just for clarification: Granted, some folks may not consider gatorade a sports drink, but gatorade started in late 1960's, over 40 yr ago. http://www.gatorade.com/history/ And, granted, this wasn't an official sports drink, but "heavily sugared drinks" were being used by ultra runners in 1967: http://www.rowan.edu/colleges/las/departments/math/facultystaff/osler/Running.html And Galloway got his original run/walk concepts from Tom Osler. Dot -- "Magic rocks and roots - the ones that trip you but you can never find afterwards" - Matt Carpenter |
| 01 May 2008 19:46:04 |
| Dot |
| Re: Race Report: Big Sur Marathon |
rms wrote: > 2008 Big Sur Marathon > http://www.bsim.org ... > > My performance was astoundingly mediocre, 4:30 putting me exactly at > mid-pack. Though volunteers called out split-times every mile or two, > having no sense of pace to begin with this meant little to me, Good job!! If it's a hilly race, the only meaning split times would have is if you've looked at elevation profile and knew footing conditions (probably not an issue on road races), and had calculated your own goal splits. > and with the > presence of so many people from mixed entry classes and the festival > atmosphere, and then have everything thrown off by crowd anyway.;) > ... > I was never in > distress of any kind, had no cramping in the race, only one brief pee stop > at mid-point, and at 20miles did wake up a bit and began picking up the pace > slightly, gradually accelerating til the last mile I was sprinting (well, > 'sprinting') all the way to the finish. Sounds like you're starting to get a handle on fluids, electrolytes, fuels. > It did feel good sweeping past > droves of people, though most of them were walkers! Walkers (consistent walking from start) or death-marchers (people who intended to run whole way but ran out of gas)? No cramping post-race, > and a 5mile walk to the airport later on worked out much of the muscle > stiffness. Interestingly, I noticed none of the salt trails I usually get > on my face or shirt. Whether this is a result of the higher humidity or an > indication that my body chemistry is more balanced now, I have no idea, but > for now I'll take it as a sign that drinking more is a good thing. I think I'd go more by peeing frequency and color than salt trails because of humidity issues. Excellent race. Thanks for the report. Dot -- "Magic rocks and roots - the ones that trip you but you can never find afterwards" - Matt Carpenter |
| 01 May 2008 20:48:55 |
| Tim Downie |
| Re: Race Report: Big Sur Marathon |
rms wrote: > > Why? Were you that thirsty? > > Firstly, please understand my 'jeff galloway' comments were not a > backhanded snipe at your own excellent report. Don't fret, I was just remarking at how different our hydration stratagies were. I don't doubt that a lot of it is down to climate but I do feel that you're maybe overcompensating. > I wrote that well > before seeing that thread. As for Jeff Galloway himself, well drinking > many > gallons of plain water certainly *is* a bad idea. But people tend to > stick to what they learned in the past, and sportsdrinks didn't even exist > 20 years ago. You're assuming that "sports drinks" are a good idea and not just marketing hype. ;-) I've gone from not using them, then being a regular user and keen advocate, to a doubter. > > I think the 'maintain a constant weight' approach is better for > me. I don't think there's anything wrong with losing *some* weight. After all our bodies are adapted to cope with a non-constant supply of water. I think some keyan athletes would argue that some weight loss is actually a good thing in a distance endurance event. Less weight to carry around! > I already know from long run & bike efforts locally that I lose many lbs > during the course of them, and that post/during-event muscle > aches/cramping seem highly correlated with how much I intake pre/during. Don't forget adequacy of training (or inadequacy as the case may be)! > In > general, the 5 marathon events I've done so far this year have been my > most > consistent and successful, in large part I believe from increasing my > intake. No I > have not gotten faster, but that's a separate training issue. The only > times I've felt bad lately are when I'm out by myself and lose track of > time and intake. > > My main concern now is feeling good during and after the event, > and in that respect this last event was the most successful ever for me: > I > performed at the same level as the last four previous, while > experiencing no cramp twinges either during or after, and now a few days > later feel > essentially the same as before the event. While increasing my intake > during and after. This time I also drank a quart of decaf greentea Decaf?? Why miss out on all the goodness? ;-) > (I tear > the bags open and drink the leaves also) + EmergenC electrolyte/vitamin > packets + weak gatorade twice a day after the event, and find it has > a nice loosening effect on stiff muscles. I'm thinking lots of > electrolytes > and anti-oxidants are beneficial. You don't think just the exercise alone might be doing that? After my first marathon, I was going downstairs backwards etc., but with every marathon, the post-race soreness has diminished without the help of electrolytes & anti-oxidants. From my point of view, you seem to be accepting every dietary & hydration fad hook, line and sinker. More and more when I'm thinking about what's right, I think about what our plains living hunter gatherer ancestors would have done. They didn't try to "second guess" their hydration or nutrition. I'm sure they ate when hungry and drank when thirsty as and when water became available (which may have been very irregularly indeed). > > In any case, how much did I actually drink during this event? Around 2 > gallons. 2 gallons over 5 hours, boy that looks miles away from any > danger zone to me, when it's not plain water, and I'm taking electrolyte > capsules, and weighed basically the same before and after. Sounds a lot to me but you have funny small gallons and I'm probably the progeny of some illicit cross-breeding with a camel. ;-) > Glancing at the > intake table in the back of Karnazes' book for his 200mile run, he drank > around 5oz/mile, and I drank 10. Well, he's 8" shorter, 20lbs > lighter. And his rate of food intake looks quite high. > > > Sure, your weather conditions were a million miles removed from > > mine (this is what it was like for the first half > > http://www.zen31010.zen.co.uk/highlandflingrace/images/fling08images/winners/DSC_0012.JPG > > Oy. It was actually raining for a full marathon distance in your > race? I think it was. Once you're wet through you stop noticing the rain. > 100% humidity and the cooling effect of rain makes a profound > difference in your intake levels. I'll certainly not deny that. > I've experienced this myself running in rain in > the mountains here: even my *eyes* feel better in high humidity -- my > contacts maintain a higher hydration level and I actually see better. > This is > indeed a million miles removed from 8% humidity, 70F+ and 6000-10000ft > conditions that I run/bike in here locally. Yep, I accept that we have a *much* nicer climate (for running). I feel sorry for you with all that nasty cancer inducing sunshine. ;-) > > And *huge* kudos and highfives for your performance. Thanks. > After > shuffling through my first 50k at Palo Duro last year I hung around to see > the > 50mile winner come in. I was jumping and pumping my fists, more excited > than he was :) Eagerly awaiting a detailed race report from your > 100miler > with lots of pics! And I'll look forward to your 50 miler. It certainly looks tough and you've got altitude & heat to deal with too. You dont' shy away from the tough ones, do you? Regards Tim > > rms |
| 04 May 2008 19:54:25 |
| D Stumpus |
| Re: Race Report: Big Sur Marathon |
"Tim Downie" <timdownie2003@obviousyahoo.co.uk > wrote > From my point of view, you seem to be accepting every dietary & hydration > fad hook, line and sinker. More and more when I'm thinking about what's > right, I think about what our plains living hunter gatherer ancestors > would have done. They didn't try to "second guess" their hydration or > nutrition. I'm sure they ate when hungry and drank when thirsty as and > when water became available (which may have been very irregularly indeed). Hi Tim, we differ here. I used to drink only when thirsty on my ultras. After all mother nature gave us a sense of thirst, so drink when thirsty, right? I cramped every time it was warm until I learned how much weight I lost and how much I needed to drink. I think some folks have a well-calibrated hydration meter, and some don't. Mine totally sucks eggs. Hence the drinking schedules I've developed for myself. I did a test recently on a 15 mile easy run in cool (55F) weather, and only sweated 20 oz/hour (600ml). You'd probably gain weight in those conditions :-) >> In any case, how much did I actually drink during this event? Around 2 >> gallons. 2 gallons over 5 hours, boy that looks miles away from any >> danger zone to me, when it's not plain water, and I'm taking electrolyte >> capsules, and weighed basically the same before and after. > > Sounds a lot to me but you have funny small gallons and I'm probably the > progeny of some illicit cross-breeding with a camel. ;-) That's about 7.5 litres, I reckon...On a warm day (temps up to 90F), I drank 12 litres in an 8 hour 50 miler, and was pretty dehydrated at the end (had to drink away leg cramps at mile 42 or so). |
| 06 May 2008 12:26:02 |
| Tim Downie |
| Re: Race Report: Big Sur Marathon |
D Stumpus wrote: > "Tim Downie" <timdownie2003@obviousyahoo.co.uk> wrote > > > From my point of view, you seem to be accepting every dietary & > > hydration fad hook, line and sinker. More and more when I'm > > thinking about what's right, I think about what our plains living > > hunter gatherer ancestors would have done. They didn't try to > > "second guess" their hydration or nutrition. I'm sure they ate when > > hungry and drank when thirsty as and when water became available > > (which may have been very irregularly indeed). > > Hi Tim, we differ here. I used to drink only when thirsty on my > ultras. After all mother nature gave us a sense of thirst, so drink > when thirsty, right? I cramped every time it was warm until I > learned how much weight I lost and how much I needed to drink. I > think some folks have a well-calibrated hydration meter, and some > don't. Mine totally sucks eggs. Hence the drinking schedules I've > developed for myself. I don't think there's anything wrong with drinking schedules, up to a point. The problem arises when you push beyond your normal boundaries. The body is pretty well able to cope with getting things a bit wrong, but as the race distance increases, the ability of the body to cope with overhydration decreases. I.e., a schedule that would only moderately overhydrate (and perhaps ward off cramps) in a marathon distance event could potentially be a very dangerous schedule to follow for a much longer event. Indeed, it is mistakes like this that have lead to a number of runners in the WHW race getting hospitalised. RMS is "pushing the envelope" and I just think he needs to be a bit careful and not assume that any fixed regime extrapolated from shorter distances is automatically applicable to a very different event. His 50 miler is going to take *much* longer than a road marathon and consequently the risks of getting it wrong increase greatly. I'd far rather read about his successful completion than about his hospitalisation. Yes, I know our climate is very different and fluid requirements are less. Just voicing a word of caution. Tim |
| 06 May 2008 23:51:54 |
| Ken |
| Re: Race Report: Big Sur Marathon |
In article <sNqdnT2IVs9_64PVnZ2dnUVZ_oytnZ2d@giganews.com >, D Stumpus <dstumpus_NOSP@mindspring.com > writes > >"Tim Downie" <timdownie2003@obviousyahoo.co.uk> wrote > >> From my point of view, you seem to be accepting every dietary & hydration >> fad hook, line and sinker. More and more when I'm thinking about what's >> right, I think about what our plains living hunter gatherer ancestors >> would have done. They didn't try to "second guess" their hydration or >> nutrition. I'm sure they ate when hungry and drank when thirsty as and >> when water became available (which may have been very irregularly indeed). > >Hi Tim, we differ here. I used to drink only when thirsty on my ultras. >After all mother nature gave us a sense of thirst, so drink when thirsty, >right? I cramped every time it was warm until I learned how much weight I >lost and how much I needed to drink. I think some folks have a >well-calibrated hydration meter, and some don't. Mine totally sucks eggs. >Hence the drinking schedules I've developed for myself. > >I did a test recently on a 15 mile easy run in cool (55F) weather, and only >sweated 20 oz/hour (600ml). You'd probably gain weight in those >conditions :-) > >>> In any case, how much did I actually drink during this event? Around 2 >>> gallons. 2 gallons over 5 hours, boy that looks miles away from any >>> danger zone to me, when it's not plain water, and I'm taking electrolyte >>> capsules, and weighed basically the same before and after. >> >> Sounds a lot to me but you have funny small gallons and I'm probably the >> progeny of some illicit cross-breeding with a camel. ;-) > >That's about 7.5 litres, I reckon...On a warm day (temps up to 90F), I drank >12 litres in an 8 hour 50 miler, and was pretty dehydrated at the end (had >to drink away leg cramps at mile 42 or so). > > > > I've seen primates at the zoo eating the half digested plant remains that they deliver from their rear end, and it occurs to me that if we all spent less time talking crapp and more time eating it, we would all be so much more in tune with our ancestral past, and be free, happy spirits. -- Ken |
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