09 Nov 2003 22:23:23
Jim Wyatt
King George resigned from WKPP?


Is it true King George quit WKPP?


--
Jim Wyatt
PADI Master Instructor #4612/IANTD Instructor
Florida Keys Reef-Divers, Inc.
www.reef-divers.com


10 Nov 2003 00:07:56
Brian Nadwidny
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?

Jim Wyatt wrote:
>
> Is it true King George quit WKPP?

Apparently he has resigned as Project Director. Sounds like his
involvement in the diving end of it will be scaled back as well.

Brian
Edmonton, Alberta
www.mossmanscubaventures.com


09 Nov 2003 18:06:48
Scott
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?

"Jim Wyatt" <Jim@nospam-reef-divers.com > wrote in message
news:Xns942EB15D9B88DJimreefdiverscom@216.77.188.3...
>
> Is it true King George quit WKPP?

-----Original Message-----
From: George Irvine [mailto:girvine@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 2:43 PM
To: Wkpp@Yahoogroups. Com
Subject: [wkpp] Casey taking over as Project Director

I have asked Casey to take over as Director of the WKPP. He has done a
great job as Project Coordinator, and is the best person for the job of
Director. I will not be involved going forward with running any aspect of
the Project, and as such will vacate my seat on the Board of Directors.
As most of you may be aware, my father asked me some time ago to retire
from the bond business and come into business with him. He has since made me
President of his holding company, and more recently turned over the entire
operation to me while he himself has little involvement in the business
anymore other than teaching me what he knows and responding to my requests
for advice, when I can even get him to come into the office at all. He is 76
now, and both he and my mother have health issues that could have been
disastrous for the companies had something happened to him without this
change having taken place. I was not expecting such a quick transition, and
have assumed a responsibility and competitive challenge beyond anything I
have ever experienced before. I have hundreds of employees depending on me,
and a position in our industry that leaves me nowhere to go but down if I am
not totally on top of my game.

I can no longer take the time to participate in any meaningful way with
the Project, and as such am not at all up to speed on who is who or what is
what, and can not make good decisions from that platform, if indeed I can
even show up to dive. Casey can and will. I would hope that all of you will
give Casey the degree of cooperation that you gave me, and can assure you
all that he is a lot harder and tougher than I am , and would not suggest
putting him to the test. I used to get pissed and yell and scream - he does
neither, he just acts.

The scooter thing is a full blown business for me now, so any help I can
provide there will be forthcoming as always, but the diving related stuff I
will not have time for. Everyone should be on the same page with all of this
now anyway, and you all certainly have a template from the vast experience
of the WKPP from which to operate without asking me about it. On the
scooters, Pina is setting up a list to discuss issues and answers as far as
the mechanics of these devices. For procedural issues, the WKPP has that
down cold.

I will try to keep some diving involvement, if only for the fun of it
when I can, and Pina of course loves the Project and has the time to dive
and be otherwise involved. In reality Casey has been doing all the work
while I have only done a handful of dives with the Project in the last
couple of years, and all of those were with Jarrod or Casey, so I am not
exactly doing anyone any good as far as teaching anyone anything and
certainly will not be missed in that regard.

One good thing about this is that those who hate me in the diving
"community" will not have me to complain about, and certainly without me to
focus on, there is no consensus against the WKPP to drive any threats to the
longevity of the Project.

The WKPP is the pinnacle of diving - please keep it that way for your own
sakes, and for the sake of all whom you would influence by your example.

Subscription/removal requests to WernerChris@msn.com.





10 Nov 2003 03:18:39
Jack Farmer
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?



Jim Wyatt wrote:

> Is it true King George quit WKPP?

Yep.



10 Nov 2003 12:33:02
chilly
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?


"Scott" <scottk@localaxes.com > wrote in message
news:vqtshpms74j082@corp.supernews.com.
..
It was bound to happen. The guy got bored and found a better opportunity
that makes him happy in the short time.




10 Nov 2003 13:05:41
bullshark
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?

On Sun, 09 Nov 2003 22:23:23 GMT, Jim Wyatt <Jim@nospam-reef-divers.com > wrote:

>
>Is it true King George quit WKPP?

George who, and why should we care about a radio station?

safe diving,

bullshark



10 Nov 2003 13:57:15
suds
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?


> -----Original Message-----
> From: George Irvine [mailto:girvine@bellsouth.net]
> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 2:43 PM
> To: Wkpp@Yahoogroups. Com
> Subject: [wkpp] Casey taking over as Project Director
>


When did the load mouth rate a secretary? Obviously, he did not write this
alone.






10 Nov 2003 13:59:45
suds
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?


"bullshark" <bullshark@scubadiving.com > wrote in message
news:ud3vqvsstjbgo7mcdvhrrrum2p78npu5i7@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 09 Nov 2003 22:23:23 GMT, Jim Wyatt <Jim@nospam-reef-divers.com>
wrote:
>
> >
> >Is it true King George quit WKPP?
>
> George who, and why should we care about a radio station?
>
> safe diving,
>


It wasn't a *real* radio station, just on tv. And I always had a *huge*
crush on Bailey. (But she got a real fat butt by the end.) What ever
happened to her. LOL


suds




10 Nov 2003 22:12:20
DavidM
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?


"suds" <noheadonthisbear!@ms.com > wrote in message
news:lRMrb.127454$ZH4.81529@twister.socal.rr.com...

> It wasn't a *real* radio station, just on tv. And I always had a *huge*
> crush on Bailey. (But she got a real fat butt by the end.) What ever
> happened to her. LOL

Not much...

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0810453/

Cheers
David M




10 Nov 2003 14:21:07
suds
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?


"DavidM" <david@blackart.com.au > wrote in message
news:3faf9cc7$0$1724$5a62ac22@freenews.iinet.net.au...
>
>
> Not much...
>
> http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0810453/
>


Here is a little more detail. Just turn off the speakers first.


suds




10 Nov 2003 15:04:12
Alan Street
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?

In article <ud3vqvsstjbgo7mcdvhrrrum2p78npu5i7@4ax.com >, bullshark
<bullshark@scubadiving.com > wrote:

€On Sun, 09 Nov 2003 22:23:23 GMT, Jim Wyatt <Jim@nospam-reef-divers.com > wrote:

>
>Is it true King George quit WKPP?

€George who, and why should we care about a radio station?

€safe diving,

€bullshark


Mr. Crownfield, I believe we have a LOTD contender.


10 Nov 2003 15:33:33
Michael Ross
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?

On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 13:05:41 GMT, bullshark
<bullshark@scubadiving.com > wrote:

>On Sun, 09 Nov 2003 22:23:23 GMT, Jim Wyatt <Jim@nospam-reef-divers.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>Is it true King George quit WKPP?
>
>George who, and why should we care about a radio station?

Radio station?

I thought it was a motorcycle club...

Mike
http://www.corestore.org

'The avalanche has already started
It is too late for the pebbles to vote'


10 Nov 2003 11:25:31
Toto
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?


"Michael Ross" <mike@corestore.org > wrote in message
news:733751810ce772edc2c7da08a2e05b1c@news.teranews.com...
> On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 13:05:41 GMT, bullshark
> <bullshark@scubadiving.com> wrote:
>
> >On Sun, 09 Nov 2003 22:23:23 GMT, Jim Wyatt <Jim@nospam-reef-divers.com>
wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>Is it true King George quit WKPP?
> >
> >George who, and why should we care about a radio station?
>
> Radio station?
>
> I thought it was a motorcycle club...
>
> Mike
> http://www.corestore.org
>
> 'The avalanche has already started
> It is too late for the pebbles to vote'

JC's sake get it right.
He the one that sends out those pesky people in white sarongs and black jack
boots, selling Halcyon dive gear at the airport and dive sites.
You know the one's they dance around chanting.

Your going to die stroke
Your going to die stroke
Your going to die
Your going to die
I don't know why
I don't know why
So, please, my dive gear buy
So, please my dive gear buy
I'm not allowed choice
I'm not allowed choice
We have one voice
We have one voice
We are not allowed to think
We are not allowed to think
Please buy our gear or I'll be forced to drink
Please buy our gear or I'll be forced to drink
Not the kool-aid
Not the kool-aid
Oh my, I need first-aid
Oh my, I need first aid
I'm the one who's going to die.
Am I really the stroke that's going to die.
I don't know why.
I don't know why.



Toto




10 Nov 2003 18:35:24
Jammer Six
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?

In article <%OMrb.127427$ZH4.35649@twister.socal.rr.com >, suds
<noheadonthisbear!@ms.com > wrote:

€ When did the load mouth rate a secretary? Obviously, he did not write this
€ alone.

Your ignorance is showing again...

Contempt prior to investigation.

The hallmark of the fool.

--
"We're going to rush the hijackers."
-Jeremy Glick, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001


10 Nov 2003 18:37:37
Jammer Six
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?

In article <4_Orb.197$XO4.25634@read2.cgocable.net >, Toto
<srspencer@hotmail.com > wrote:

€ Your going to die stroke
€ Your going to die stroke
€ Your going to die
€ Your going to die
€ I don't know why
€ I don't know why
€ So, please, my dive gear buy
€ So, please my dive gear buy
€ I'm not allowed choice
€ I'm not allowed choice
€ We have one voice
€ We have one voice
€ We are not allowed to think
€ We are not allowed to think
€ Please buy our gear or I'll be forced to drink
€ Please buy our gear or I'll be forced to drink
€ Not the kool-aid
€ Not the kool-aid
€ Oh my, I need first-aid
€ Oh my, I need first aid
€ I'm the one who's going to die.
€ Am I really the stroke that's going to die.
€ I don't know why.
€ I don't know why.

You're repeating yourself, bitch.

Time to pick one of your masters, and ask for a beating.

--
"Let's roll!"
-Todd Beamer, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001


10 Nov 2003 13:44:10
Toto
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?


"Jammer Six" <jammer@invalid.oz.net > wrote in message
news:boolth$i54$2@216.39.146.232...
> In article <4_Orb.197$XO4.25634@read2.cgocable.net>, Toto
> <srspencer@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> ? Your going to die stroke
> ? Your going to die stroke
> ? Your going to die
> ? Your going to die
> ? I don't know why
> ? I don't know why
> ? So, please, my dive gear buy
> ? So, please my dive gear buy
> ? I'm not allowed choice
> ? I'm not allowed choice
> ? We have one voice
> ? We have one voice
> ? We are not allowed to think
> ? We are not allowed to think
> ? Please buy our gear or I'll be forced to drink
> ? Please buy our gear or I'll be forced to drink
> ? Not the kool-aid
> ? Not the kool-aid
> ? Oh my, I need first-aid
> ? Oh my, I need first aid
> ? I'm the one who's going to die.
> ? Am I really the stroke that's going to die.
> ? I don't know why.
> ? I don't know why.
>
> You're repeating yourself, bitch.
>
> Time to pick one of your masters, and ask for a beating.
>
> --
> "Let's roll!"
> -Todd Beamer, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001

I think it's your turn, if your up to it.
I don't need you crapping out on me, last guy had a bad ticker.
Oh ya, you just can't get it up.
Got your wet noodle ready?
Wait a minute don't you want to put your hair up in a pony tail?
Don't break a nail.

Toto

ps try not to hit like a girl this time.




10 Nov 2003 11:55:28
MacReady
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?

On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 13:05:41 GMT, bullshark
<bullshark@scubadiving.com > wrote:

>On Sun, 09 Nov 2003 22:23:23 GMT, Jim Wyatt <Jim@nospam-reef-divers.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>Is it true King George quit WKPP?
>
>George who, and why should we care about a radio station?
>
You were supposed to give us a coke alert.

You owe me a keyboard.



10 Nov 2003 20:17:59
Chris Guynn
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?


"Toto" <srspencer@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:20Rrb.347$XO4.33759@read2.cgocable.net...
>
> "Jammer Six" <jammer@invalid.oz.net> wrote in message
> news:boolth$i54$2@216.39.146.232...
> > In article <4_Orb.197$XO4.25634@read2.cgocable.net>, Toto
> > <srspencer@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > ? Your going to die stroke
> > ? Your going to die stroke
> > ? Your going to die
> > ? Your going to die
> > ? I don't know why
> > ? I don't know why
> > ? So, please, my dive gear buy
> > ? So, please my dive gear buy
> > ? I'm not allowed choice
> > ? I'm not allowed choice
> > ? We have one voice
> > ? We have one voice
> > ? We are not allowed to think
> > ? We are not allowed to think
> > ? Please buy our gear or I'll be forced to drink
> > ? Please buy our gear or I'll be forced to drink
> > ? Not the kool-aid
> > ? Not the kool-aid
> > ? Oh my, I need first-aid
> > ? Oh my, I need first aid
> > ? I'm the one who's going to die.
> > ? Am I really the stroke that's going to die.
> > ? I don't know why.
> > ? I don't know why.
> >
> > You're repeating yourself, bitch.
> >
> > Time to pick one of your masters, and ask for a beating.
> >
> > --
> > "Let's roll!"
> > -Todd Beamer, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001
>
> I think it's your turn, if your up to it.
> I don't need you crapping out on me, last guy had a bad ticker.
> Oh ya, you just can't get it up.
> Got your wet noodle ready?
> Wait a minute don't you want to put your hair up in a pony tail?
> Don't break a nail.
>
> Toto
>
> ps try not to hit like a girl this time.
>
>

Better watch out Toto... He might kick you in the ass and then nail his foot
in place there... :-)




10 Nov 2003 20:19:15
Jammer Six
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?

In article <20Rrb.347$XO4.33759@read2.cgocable.net >, Toto
<srspencer@hotmail.com > wrote:

€ I think it's your turn, if your up to it.
€ I don't need you crapping out on me, last guy had a bad ticker.
€ Oh ya, you just can't get it up.
€ Got your wet noodle ready?
€ Wait a minute don't you want to put your hair up in a pony tail?
€ Don't break a nail.

We said "Masters", bitch, not "God".

Pay attention.

--
"We're going to rush the hijackers."
-Jeremy Glick, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001


11 Nov 2003 09:22:44
DavidM
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?


"suds" <noheadonthisbear!@ms.com > wrote in message
news:n9Nrb.127675$ZH4.1066@twister.socal.rr.com...
>
> "DavidM" <david@blackart.com.au> wrote in message
> news:3faf9cc7$0$1724$5a62ac22@freenews.iinet.net.au...
> >
> >
> > Not much...
> >
> > http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0810453/
> >
>
>
> Here is a little more detail. Just turn off the speakers first.

huh? Does it make noise? Sorry about that if it does - I've not got
speakers on this machine.

Cheers
David M




10 Nov 2003 21:52:53
Salty
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?

"suds" <noheadonthisbear!@ms.com > wrote in message news:<lRMrb.127454$ZH4.81529@twister.socal.rr.com>...
> "bullshark" <bullshark@scubadiving.com> wrote in message
> news:ud3vqvsstjbgo7mcdvhrrrum2p78npu5i7@4ax.com...
> > On Sun, 09 Nov 2003 22:23:23 GMT, Jim Wyatt <Jim@nospam-reef-divers.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >Is it true King George quit WKPP?
> >
> > George who, and why should we care about a radio station?
> >
> > safe diving,
> >
>
>
> It wasn't a *real* radio station, just on tv. And I always had a *huge*
> crush on Bailey. (But she got a real fat butt by the end.) What ever
> happened to her. LOL

I dunno but her butt was still ok when it was fat. Not fat actually...
just a little plump.


10 Nov 2003 21:56:12
Salty
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?

Jammer Six <jammer@invalid.oz.net > wrote in message news:<boolth$i54$2@216.39.146.232>...
> In article <4_Orb.197$XO4.25634@read2.cgocable.net>, Toto
> <srspencer@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> ? Your going to die stroke
> ? Your going to die stroke
> ? Your going to die
> ? Your going to die
> ? I don't know why
> ? I don't know why
> ? So, please, my dive gear buy
> ? So, please my dive gear buy
> ? I'm not allowed choice
> ? I'm not allowed choice
> ? We have one voice
> ? We have one voice
> ? We are not allowed to think
> ? We are not allowed to think
> ? Please buy our gear or I'll be forced to drink
> ? Please buy our gear or I'll be forced to drink
> ? Not the kool-aid
> ? Not the kool-aid
> ? Oh my, I need first-aid
> ? Oh my, I need first aid
> ? I'm the one who's going to die.
> ? Am I really the stroke that's going to die.
> ? I don't know why.
> ? I don't know why.


> You're repeating yourself, bitch.
> Time to pick one of your masters, and ask for a beating.

You ain't shittin'. A severe beating about the head would be good I think.


11 Nov 2003 14:59:40
DavidM
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?


"Toto" <srspencer@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:cz%rb.1050$XO4.76779@read2.cgocable.net...
>
> I guess that clears up a few things.
>

Yep, about yourself mainly. Not that we were in much doubt.

Now why don't you leave the grown-ups to their newsgroup like a good
girl?

Cheers
David M




11 Nov 2003 07:22:50
Jammer Six
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?

In article <cz%rb.1050$XO4.76779@read2.cgocable.net >, Toto
<srspencer@hotmail.com > wrote:

€ I hear you took acceptation to being called a cunt.
€ How about an old dried up crusty cunt that should keep her legs as well as
€ her mouth shut.
€ Because it smells like low tide at a raw sewage discharge pipe.
€ I guess that clears up a few things.
€ Stop e-mailing people, they don't want to hear from you.
€ Now piss off.

Ninety days.

Take it away.

--
"We're going to rush the hijackers."
-Jeremy Glick, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001


11 Nov 2003 06:32:49
Jack Farmer
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?



Toto wrote:
> "Salty" <babette7401@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:e673a058.0311102156.648a8c4d@posting.google.com...
>
>>Jammer Six <jammer@invalid.oz.net> wrote in message
>
> news:<boolth$i54$2@216.39.146.232>...
>
>>>In article <4_Orb.197$XO4.25634@read2.cgocable.net>, Toto
>>><srspencer@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>? Your going to die stroke
>>>? Your going to die stroke
>>>? Your going to die
>>>? Your going to die
>>>? I don't know why
>>>? I don't know why
>>>? So, please, my dive gear buy
>>>? So, please my dive gear buy
>>>? I'm not allowed choice
>>>? I'm not allowed choice
>>>? We have one voice
>>>? We have one voice
>>>? We are not allowed to think
>>>? We are not allowed to think
>>>? Please buy our gear or I'll be forced to drink
>>>? Please buy our gear or I'll be forced to drink
>>>? Not the kool-aid
>>>? Not the kool-aid
>>>? Oh my, I need first-aid
>>>? Oh my, I need first aid
>>>? I'm the one who's going to die.
>>>? Am I really the stroke that's going to die.
>>>? I don't know why.
>>>? I don't know why.
>>
>>
>>>You're repeating yourself, bitch.
>>>Time to pick one of your masters, and ask for a beating.
>>
>>You ain't shittin'. A severe beating about the head would be good I think.
>
>
> I hear you took acceptation to being called a cunt.
> How about an old dried up crusty cunt that should keep her legs as well as
> her mouth shut.
> Because it smells like low tide at a raw sewage discharge pipe.
> I guess that clears up a few things.
> Stop e-mailing people, they don't want to hear from you.
> Now piss off.
>
> Toto

But what do you REALLY think of her?

<G >

Safe Diving.

L8R



11 Nov 2003 01:44:18
Toto
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?


"Salty" <babette7401@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:e673a058.0311102156.648a8c4d@posting.google.com...
> Jammer Six <jammer@invalid.oz.net> wrote in message
news:<boolth$i54$2@216.39.146.232 >...
> > In article <4_Orb.197$XO4.25634@read2.cgocable.net>, Toto
> > <srspencer@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > ? Your going to die stroke
> > ? Your going to die stroke
> > ? Your going to die
> > ? Your going to die
> > ? I don't know why
> > ? I don't know why
> > ? So, please, my dive gear buy
> > ? So, please my dive gear buy
> > ? I'm not allowed choice
> > ? I'm not allowed choice
> > ? We have one voice
> > ? We have one voice
> > ? We are not allowed to think
> > ? We are not allowed to think
> > ? Please buy our gear or I'll be forced to drink
> > ? Please buy our gear or I'll be forced to drink
> > ? Not the kool-aid
> > ? Not the kool-aid
> > ? Oh my, I need first-aid
> > ? Oh my, I need first aid
> > ? I'm the one who's going to die.
> > ? Am I really the stroke that's going to die.
> > ? I don't know why.
> > ? I don't know why.
>
>
> > You're repeating yourself, bitch.
> > Time to pick one of your masters, and ask for a beating.
>
> You ain't shittin'. A severe beating about the head would be good I think.

I hear you took acceptation to being called a cunt.
How about an old dried up crusty cunt that should keep her legs as well as
her mouth shut.
Because it smells like low tide at a raw sewage discharge pipe.
I guess that clears up a few things.
Stop e-mailing people, they don't want to hear from you.
Now piss off.

Toto




11 Nov 2003 08:59:12
Jammer Six
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?

In article <vr143dj9csev4d@corp.supernews.com >, Jack Farmer
<jack@crusader-services.com > wrote:

€ <G >

Yup, that's about what we expected from you, jackie.

--
"We're going to rush the hijackers."
-Jeremy Glick, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001


11 Nov 2003 16:59:01
DavidM
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?


"Jammer Six" <jammer@invalid.oz.net > wrote in message
news:boq8d0$eoa$0@216.39.146.232...
> In article <vr143dj9csev4d@corp.supernews.com>, Jack Farmer
> <jack@crusader-services.com> wrote:
>
> ? <G>
>
> Yup, that's about what we expected from you, jackie.

no COMMENT

hahaha

Cheers
David M




11 Nov 2003 03:34:54
Salty
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?

Jammer Six <jammer@invalid.oz.net > wrote in message news:<boq2oa$vid$1@216.39.146.232>...
> In article <cz%rb.1050$XO4.76779@read2.cgocable.net>, Toto
> <srspencer@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> ? I hear you took acceptation to being called a cunt.
> ? How about an old dried up crusty cunt that should keep her legs as well as
> ? her mouth shut.
> ? Because it smells like low tide at a raw sewage discharge pipe.
> ? I guess that clears up a few things.
> ? Stop e-mailing people, they don't want to hear from you.
> ? Now piss off.

> Ninety days.
> Take it away.

We wish we could Your Royal Majesty. We would love to lock her away
and simply feed her some tranquilizers... or other things.
<Bowing before you in my frilly skirts as well as my danged college
degree. >


11 Nov 2003 03:48:37
Salty
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?

Jack Farmer <jack@crusader-services.com > wrote in message

> But what do you REALLY think of her?
> <G>

The big question is why. Steve and I have never talked. Not ever in
private or in public. Now he suddenly posts this. I think Steve is a
sock puppet who feels that he has to speak up. There isn't any other
explanation because he and I have never talked. Why would he all the
sudden find the explanation....


11 Nov 2003 12:44:10
Jack Farmer
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?

Now ya got it.

haha

Safe Diving.

L8R


DavidM wrote:
> "Jammer Six" <jammer@invalid.oz.net> wrote in message
> news:boq8d0$eoa$0@216.39.146.232...
>
>>In article <vr143dj9csev4d@corp.supernews.com>, Jack Farmer
>><jack@crusader-services.com> wrote:
>>
>>? <G>
>>
>>Yup, that's about what we expected from you, jackie.
>
>
> no COMMENT
>
> hahaha
>
> Cheers
> David M
>
>



11 Nov 2003 08:45:09
Toto
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?


"Salty" <babette7401@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:e673a058.0311110348.43a3bb6f@posting.google.com...
> Jack Farmer <jack@crusader-services.com> wrote in message
>
> > But what do you REALLY think of her?
> > <G>
>
> The big question is why. Steve and I have never talked. Not ever in
> private or in public. Now he suddenly posts this. I think Steve is a
> sock puppet who feels that he has to speak up. There isn't any other
> explanation because he and I have never talked. Why would he all the
> sudden find the explanation....

add short memory...
you think, your quiet personal vendetta's go unnoticed.



T




11 Nov 2003 21:44:49
DavidM
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?

"Salty" <babette7401@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:e673a058.0311110348.43a3bb6f@posting.google.com...
>
> The big question is why.
>
That's not a big question at all. Steve gets attention from being some kind
of village idiot, and he's not discriminating enough to tell the difference
between that, and the attention that he wants. He acts the village idiot and
gets noticed - if he didn't act the village idiot he'd not be noticed by
anyone.

Cheers
David M




11 Nov 2003 09:06:06
Toto
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?


"DavidM" <davidm@bcmarch.com.au > wrote in message
news:3fb08947$0$1736$5a62ac22@freenews.iinet.net.au...
>
> "Toto" <srspencer@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:cz%rb.1050$XO4.76779@read2.cgocable.net...
> >
> > I guess that clears up a few things.
> >
>
> Yep, about yourself mainly. Not that we were in much doubt.
>
> Now why don't you leave the grown-ups to their newsgroup like a good
> girl?
>
> Cheers
> David M
>
>
look i'll be nice since you just discovered this news group, that and
realized you have a penis.
both which your still getting use to.

be care who you worship, tells others who you really are and who you wish to
be.

now if working the mac donald's late nite drive through is your goal.
Lyle is your god.
"Biggy size that sir"

i have had the pleasure of diving with my dive gods as an equal.
the longer your around the fewer the dive gods.

it's all smoke and mirrors.

T




11 Nov 2003 15:48:28
Alan Street
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?

In article <vr1prlmmfhjef3@corp.supernews.com >, jack@crusader-services.com
says...
>
>Now ya got it.
>
>haha
>
>Safe Diving.
>
>L8R
>
>
>DavidM wrote:
>> "Jammer Six" <jammer@invalid.oz.net> wrote in message
>> news:boq8d0$eoa$0@216.39.146.232...
>>
>>>In article <vr143dj9csev4d@corp.supernews.com>, Jack Farmer
>>><jack@crusader-services.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>? <G>
>>>
>>>Yup, that's about what we expected from you, jackie.
>>
>>
>> no COMMENT
>>
>> hahaha
>>
>> Cheers
>> David M
>>
>>
>


Jack, you're talking to yourself again.




11 Nov 2003 15:56:09
Brian Nadwidny
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?

Toto wrote:
>

> i have had the pleasure of diving with my dive gods as an equal.

No you haven't. You haven't dove with me yet. And you never will.
Because you can't keep up.

Kneel bitch.

Brian
Edmonton, Alberta


11 Nov 2003 23:22:35
Jammer Six
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?

In article <vr1prlmmfhjef3@corp.supernews.com >, Jack Farmer
<jack@crusader-services.com > wrote:

€ Now ya got it.

whoosh...

--
"I know we're going to die. There's three of us who are going to do something
about it."
-Tom Burnett, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001


12 Nov 2003 08:57:35
DavidM
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?


"Toto" <srspencer@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:p16sb.1492$XO4.103635@read2.cgocable.net...
>
> look i'll be nice since you just discovered this news group,
>

I've been here a lot longer that you have srspence/steve/toto. You
probably don't even know how to look to verify that. In fact, I'll
wager you can't even find your arse with both hands.

Cheers
David M




12 Nov 2003 15:07:25
Chris Guynn
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?


"DavidM" <davidm@bcmarch.com.au > wrote in message
news:3fb185dd$0$1735$5a62ac22@freenews.iinet.net.au...
>
> "Toto" <srspencer@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:p16sb.1492$XO4.103635@read2.cgocable.net...
> >
> > look i'll be nice since you just discovered this news group,
> >
>
> I've been here a lot longer that you have srspence/steve/toto. You
> probably don't even know how to look to verify that. In fact, I'll
> wager you can't even find your arse with both hands.

I didn't know he had a two handed arse... wow, I bet it's real hard to find
dive gear that fits that... :-)

>
> Cheers
> David M
>
>




13 Nov 2003 09:04:02
DavidM
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?


"Chris Guynn" <chrisguynn@sbcglobal.N.O.S.P.A.M.net > wrote in message
news:N0ssb.177$EG4.53@newssvr23.news.prodigy.com...
>
> I didn't know he had a two handed arse... wow, I bet it's real hard
to find
> dive gear that fits that... :-)

It's a one handed arse. Problem with steve is that even if he used
both hands, he couldn't find it.

Cheers
David M




13 Nov 2003 14:30:23
Chris Guynn
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?


"DavidM" <davidm@bcmarch.com.au > wrote in message
news:3fb2d8d0$0$1721$5a62ac22@freenews.iinet.net.au...
>
> "Chris Guynn" <chrisguynn@sbcglobal.N.O.S.P.A.M.net> wrote in message
> news:N0ssb.177$EG4.53@newssvr23.news.prodigy.com...
> >
> > I didn't know he had a two handed arse... wow, I bet it's real hard
> to find
> > dive gear that fits that... :-)
>
> It's a one handed arse. Problem with steve is that even if he used
> both hands, he couldn't find it.

Even if he used both hands? I thought you said it was a one handed arse...
man am I confused... :-)

>
> Cheers
> David M
>
>




21 Nov 2003 15:37:37
BllFs6
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?

Hmmm

I always wondered a couple things about the Sheck death....and though its been
awhile..... I read many a detailed account of Shecks deeper record setting deep
dives (vs horizontal cave penetrations)....

First, if you read his accounts of these dives its obvious his allotment of
"spare air" to deal with problems was darn short....in other words that little
extra in the tank wasnt gonna last very long time wise at say 600 feet on open
circuit scuba...

which reminds me of something Ive never liked about the 1/3rds rule of cave
diving as popularly stated....some extra air at a shallow depth and you can
probably deal with minor "emergencies"...not so at "deep depths"....Ive always
thought that the rule should be more explicity stated:

1/3 of y, where y = total air - x, where x equals the amount of air required to
last z minutes at max depth and z minutes is some decent length of time to deal
with a reasonable emergency...say 15 minutes...YOMV...

Anywho.....looking at his air consumption plans.....I wondered why he didnt
even do something as simple as a constant mass addition rebreather.....even a
REALLY crappy one dumping a ton of gas into the system probably woulda given
him 10 times more time at depth (not that he woulda wanted to use it unless
hereally needed to....but it beats RUNNING outa gas......)

Now, if you look at his goals for the final dive.....and then look at how he
did it, it still doesnt make sense....and lets ingore the fact that he was
solo...thats a whole other can of worms....

He had 2 basic goals.....perhaps.....reach the bottom and/or set a new depth
record...now you can question the wisdom of this/these goals but again there is
something I never "liked".....

He pretty much carried all the gas he need for the deep part of descent/ascent
ON him....he had stages tied to the line for the deco up part of the ascent

Now remember, this is a big open cenote with a line just going straight to the
bottom....

If it had been me.... (yeah right), in addition to a buttload of gas ON MY
PERSON.....I woulda had another buttload or 2 of gas/tanks/regs attached to the
main descent line or perhaps another adjacent line just a few horizontal feet
away.....hell....have a tank staged every 50 vertical feet or so....

Maybe it wouldnta helped in this situation.....but beside the cost of doing
this it sure wouldnta hurt anything.....

take care

Blll


21 Nov 2003 21:23:51
Dan Volker
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?


"BllFs6" <bllfs6@aol.com > wrote in message
news:20031121103737.29142.00000699@mb-m12.aol.com...
> Hmmm
>
> I always wondered a couple things about the Sheck death....and though its
been
> awhile..... I read many a detailed account of Shecks deeper record setting
deep
> dives (vs horizontal cave penetrations)....
>
> First, if you read his accounts of these dives its obvious his allotment
of
> "spare air" to deal with problems was darn short....in other words that
little
> extra in the tank wasnt gonna last very long time wise at say 600 feet on
open
> circuit scuba...
>
> which reminds me of something Ive never liked about the 1/3rds rule of
cave
> diving as popularly stated....some extra air at a shallow depth and you
can
> probably deal with minor "emergencies"...not so at "deep depths"....Ive
always
> thought that the rule should be more explicity stated:
>
> 1/3 of y, where y = total air - x, where x equals the amount of air
required to
> last z minutes at max depth and z minutes is some decent length of time to
deal
> with a reasonable emergency...say 15 minutes...YOMV...
>
> Anywho.....looking at his air consumption plans.....I wondered why he
didnt
> even do something as simple as a constant mass addition
rebreather.....even a
> REALLY crappy one dumping a ton of gas into the system probably woulda
given
> him 10 times more time at depth (not that he woulda wanted to use it
unless
> hereally needed to....but it beats RUNNING outa gas......)
>
> Now, if you look at his goals for the final dive.....and then look at how
he
> did it, it still doesnt make sense....and lets ingore the fact that he was
> solo...thats a whole other can of worms....
>
> He had 2 basic goals.....perhaps.....reach the bottom and/or set a new
depth
> record...now you can question the wisdom of this/these goals but again
there is
> something I never "liked".....
>
> He pretty much carried all the gas he need for the deep part of
descent/ascent
> ON him....he had stages tied to the line for the deco up part of the
ascent
>
> Now remember, this is a big open cenote with a line just going straight to
the
> bottom....
>
> If it had been me.... (yeah right), in addition to a buttload of gas ON MY
> PERSON.....I woulda had another buttload or 2 of gas/tanks/regs attached
to the
> main descent line or perhaps another adjacent line just a few horizontal
feet
> away.....hell....have a tank staged every 50 vertical feet or so....
>
> Maybe it wouldnta helped in this situation.....but beside the cost of
doing
> this it sure wouldnta hurt anything.....
>
> take care
>
> Blll

Look at the date of Sheck's death.
Any rebreathers on the market then were death traps.....The real issue,
which you raise, is that this was too deep for open circuit---it was a
foolish dive. This form of absolute stupidity was what this asshole bowden
was all about. Too bad someone could not have exposed him for the dangerous
moron that he was, prior to Sheck's death.

Dan V





21 Nov 2003 21:10:52
Calamari
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?

"Toto" <srspencer@hotmail.com > wrote in message news:<IJ5sb.1419$XO4.101531@read2.cgocable.net>...
> "Salty" <babette7401@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:e673a058.0311110348.43a3bb6f@posting.google.com...
> > Jack Farmer <jack@crusader-services.com> wrote in message
> >
> > > But what do you REALLY think of her?
> > > <G>
> >
> > The big question is why. Steve and I have never talked. Not ever in
> > private or in public. Now he suddenly posts this. I think Steve is a
> > sock puppet who feels that he has to speak up. There isn't any other
> > explanation because he and I have never talked. Why would he all the
> > sudden find the explanation....
>
> add short memory...
> you think, your quiet personal vendetta's go unnoticed.

I just noticed this reply from you Steve.
Well... cool. I used to be "Vendetta" on another forum. Maybe I
should resurrect her again ?? Naaa. It's not worth my time. But
Steve, you need to check yourself. If you really think that I'm that
quiet here, then you aren't listening. :P And if you are listening
and you don't like it, hey...
dial 1-800-let-mewhine Then pour yourself a big glass of your
favorite drink, settle back and be prepared to see that I'm gonna
change just for you.
Yep... keep dreaming baby. It'll happen.


23 Nov 2003 04:31:39
Karl Denninger
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?


In article <LPzvb.21736$ow5.17566@bignews2.bellsouth.net >,
Dan Volker <dvolker@bellsouth.net > wrote:
>
>Look at the date of Sheck's death.
>Any rebreathers on the market then were death traps.....The real issue,
>which you raise, is that this was too deep for open circuit---it was a
>foolish dive. This form of absolute stupidity was what this asshole bowden
>was all about. Too bad someone could not have exposed him for the dangerous
>moron that he was, prior to Sheck's death.
>
>Dan V

That's a hell of a judgment to place on someone who is choosing to test the
limits of human endurance.

Do you place the same judgment on Sheck himself? If not, why not? Did he
lack free will prior to getting in the water? Can you show me where someone
put a gun to his head and forced him to make that dive?

Or is the bottom line that you detest pressing the limits of human ability,
and if you can't make it illegal, well by God, you'll drag those who make
such attempts through the mud in an attempt to browbeat them into complience
with your worldview?

--
Karl Denninger (karl@denninger.net) Internet Consultant & Kids Rights Activist
http://www.denninger.net Tiredof spam at your company? LOOK HERE!
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23 Nov 2003 09:01:37
Dan Volker
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?


"Karl Denninger" <karl@FS.Denninger.Net > wrote in message
news:bppd7b$pvl$3@pita.alt.net...
>
> In article <LPzvb.21736$ow5.17566@bignews2.bellsouth.net>,
> Dan Volker <dvolker@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >
> >Look at the date of Sheck's death.
> >Any rebreathers on the market then were death traps.....The real issue,
> >which you raise, is that this was too deep for open circuit---it was a
> >foolish dive. This form of absolute stupidity was what this asshole
bowden
> >was all about. Too bad someone could not have exposed him for the
dangerous
> >moron that he was, prior to Sheck's death.
> >
> >Dan V
>
> That's a hell of a judgment to place on someone who is choosing to test
the
> limits of human endurance.
>
> Do you place the same judgment on Sheck himself? If not, why not? Did he
> lack free will prior to getting in the water? Can you show me where
someone
> put a gun to his head and forced him to make that dive?
>
> Or is the bottom line that you detest pressing the limits of human
ability,
> and if you can't make it illegal, well by God, you'll drag those who make
> such attempts through the mud in an attempt to browbeat them into
complience
> with your worldview?

Karl,
This is where my Tequila analogy plays well. What is the "limit" of human
ability to consume mass quantities of Tequila? Can you chug 3 bottles, or
can you chug 5 bottles, prior to passing out and potentially dieing of
alcohol poisoning? What is this human endurance limit?
If the human endurance limit has nothing to do with issues important to
mankind, then its probably not even as smart as proving you can chug 4
bottles of Tequila ( there are at least alot of "drunks" that would feel
this is relevant to mankind--their version of mankind).

Society sets the limits of human performance that are "meaningful to
society".
People can choose the limits that are important to themselves,
individually.
Karl, you are free to choose whether the human endurance limit you want to
test ( and be "famous" for ) is drinking, nose picking, farting louder than
any other human, strapping yourself to a canon ball and being shot farther
than any other person, or maybe just being acknowledged to be the most
obnoxious person anyone has ever met.
Maybe you would like to be famous for having taken the longest shit.
If society does not see a value to the new limit or boundary you have set,
then your death defying feat will have jeopardized your life without having
any chance of "allowing" you to be famous---because society would not care.
On the other hand, there may be family members that would suffer terribly if
you died in this quest to push boundaries---and this would be an even
greater shame if the boundary you were pushing could not, in any way, ever
be recognized as being helpful to mankind----OK, maybe "some" people would
worship you if you died taking the longest shit any person ever took....But
would it be worth it Karl---the suffering this could bring in to the people
that care about you....the point being here, the suffering which occurred in
the hearts of the people who cared deeply about Sheck, after a meaningless
death....meaningless to society. If an astronaut dies, society thinks its a
tragedy, but it was part of an attempt to allow humans to expand out into
space---so in a death, an astronaut could become a hero...... If Karl dies
trying to fart louder than any man ever before him, the societal value of
this will NOT make Karl a hero---it will make a sad story about a man who
was dangerously mis-directed. And of course, it will be a sad story about a
man who did not smell very good .....



Sheck dying on a 1000 foot deep open circuit attempt could not have ever
helped any future penetration into cave, piping, or society critical
mission. It makes no more sense than dying while trying to show that the
limits of human endurance for deep air could be--say, 600 feet deep in a 4
mph current over a reef---this would have zero meaning, because it would
always be stupid to dive this deep on air, and there would always be better
ways to dive this deep if a reason existed to dive this deep.

Dan V




23 Nov 2003 15:26:19
Lee Bell
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?

Somebody change the subject of this thread. It's long since moved away from
George, as it should have.

The king is gone. Let him rest in peace.

Lee




23 Nov 2003 11:44:04
Dan Volker
re: karl breaks limits of human endurance--was King George


"Lee Bell" <leebell@ix.remove.netcom.com > wrote in message
news:vk4wb.18146$Wy4.16580@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> Somebody change the subject of this thread. It's long since moved away
from
> George, as it should have.
>
> The king is gone. Let him rest in peace.
>
> Lee
>

Karl may need his self image boosted a bit, so that he won't be so easily
threatened.
Someone may want to help him with this.....?

I'd rather talk about what is "DIR" for recreational divers--here on
rec.scuba....

1.) Your mission ( DIR objective) is to have as much fun as possible on each
dive.
2.) In order to achieve this, there are a number of related goals it is wise
to strive for as well:
a. ) On whatever fun dive you are "planning", make sure you really "plan"
the dive.
b.) Make sure your gear is "appropriate" for the dive, and that you won't be
"pushing the limits of human endurance" in order to survive the dive you are
planning, with your present equipment.
c.) Talk to other divers before going out on the boat, and try to find
someone who shares your interest in the type of fun dive you want to do, and
who shares your ideas on the "safe" way the dive should be planned and
executed........ ( sorry about that executed word, I was still thinking
about Bowden).
d.) Before you dive with a new buddy, discuss your methods of underwater
communicating, what will cause a dive abort, when the dive should be turned,
and how you would handle most common problems this particular dive could
offer up to you.
e.) If you get paired with someone you don't know, and their tank is
dragging below their butt--almost ready to fall out of the band, and their
octopus is stuffed deep into a pocket where they might need 2 minutes to get
it out--or if it is just flailing around with no way to predict its
immediate location during a dive-----or they are configured and pre-inflated
like a puffer fish---then I suggest you inform the dive boat captain that
this is NOT a person you will be willing to buddy with. If you are paying
money to dive on this boat, you don't deserve an "albatross around your
neck". And if you resemble this person I just re-created, consider watching
more TV, and considering diving as "too much work to be fun for you" ;-)
Or...... if you resemble this person, and your name is Karl, don't worry,
the tank is fine, your buddy won't be counting on you for the octopus
anyway--so don't sweat it.....and you probably need a lot more weight---I'd
bet the boat captain ( if you're Karl, you could be the boat captain...)
will let you borrow the anchor--just tie it around yourself a few times with
granny knots :-) I'm just kidding here---I'd rather see Karl live a long
life full of watching TV, and in contributing to rec.boats where his sly
wit can be best enjoyed :-) Karl, I've heard you are really missed there !


Dan V








23 Nov 2003 22:07:59
Lee Bell
Re: karl breaks limits of human endurance--was King George

"Dan Volker" wrote

> I'd rather talk about what is "DIR" for recreational divers--here on
> rec.scuba....

You're not an employee of GUE. You're not authorized to talk about what is
and is not DIR . . . at least you won't be once the trademark is granted.
You'll have to talk about something else.

> 1.) Your mission is to have as much fun as possible on each
> dive.

Edited to remove trademark.

> 2.) In order to achieve this, there are a number of related goals it is
wise
> to strive for as well:
> a. ) On whatever fun dive you are "planning", make sure you really "plan"
> the dive.

Not necessary for most "fun" dives. Computers handle the situation nicely.

> b.) Make sure your gear is "appropriate" for the dive, and that you won't
be
> "pushing the limits of human endurance" in order to survive the dive you
are
> planning, with your present equipment.

Every time you dive, you're beyond the limits of human capacity. That's why
we need equipment in the first place. It is a good idea to have equipment
suitable for the dive. It's even better if the individual knows enough to
determine what is appropriate for his dive rather than depending on somebody
else to tell him/her.

> c.) Talk to other divers before going out on the boat, and try to find
> someone who shares your interest in the type of fun dive you want to do,
and
> who shares your ideas on the "safe" way the dive should be planned and
> executed........ ( sorry about that executed word, I was still thinking
> about Bowden).

No problem. Done that. Mike and I fit nicely and, so far, I figure we're
pretty safe. Of course those that abide by more stringent buddy protocols
might not agree, but it's not their dive to plan.

> d.) Before you dive with a new buddy, discuss your methods of underwater
> communicating, what will cause a dive abort, when the dive should be
turned,
> and how you would handle most common problems this particular dive could
> offer up to you.

Mike aborts when Mike thinks he should. I abort when I think I should.
Under certain circumstances, Mikes decision will affect mine more than under
other circumstances.

> e.) If you get paired with someone you don't know, and their tank is
> dragging below their butt--almost ready to fall out of the band, and their
> octopus is stuffed deep into a pocket where they might need 2 minutes to
get
> it out--or if it is just flailing around with no way to predict its
> immediate location during a dive-----or they are configured and
pre-inflated
> like a puffer fish---then I suggest you inform the dive boat captain that
> this is NOT a person you will be willing to buddy with.

Too late. Once you're in the water, you're his buddy. Personally, I would
not enjoy this dive. I'm sure that I'd spend the entire time wondering when
my new buddy was going to do something stupid enough to be potentially
fatal. The upside is that somebody that dives this way is very unlikely to
have low consumption. I won't be stuck with them for long.

Lee




23 Nov 2003 17:03:39
Scott McFadden
Re: karl breaks limits of human endurance--was King George

"Dan Volker" <dvolker@bellsouth.net > wrote in message news:<9w5wb.29624$ow5.25225@bignews2.bellsouth.net>...

> "Lee Bell" <leebell@ix.remove.netcom.com> wrote in message

> > The king is gone. Let him rest in peace.

Oh my!

What happened, did Lyle really "nail" himself this time?

<snip >

> c.) Talk to other divers before going out on the boat, and try to find
> someone who shares your interest in the type of fun dive you want to do, and
> who shares your ideas on the "safe" way the dive should be planned and
> executed........ ( sorry about that executed word, I was still thinking
> about Bowden).
> d.) Before you dive with a new buddy, discuss your methods of underwater
> communicating, what will cause a dive abort, when the dive should be turned,
> and how you would handle most common problems this particular dive could
> offer up to you.
> e.) If you get paired with someone you don't know, and their tank is
> dragging below their butt--almost ready to fall out of the band, and their
> octopus is stuffed deep into a pocket where they might need 2 minutes to get
> it out--or if it is just flailing around with no way to predict its
> immediate location during a dive-----or they are configured and pre-inflated
> like a puffer fish---then I suggest you inform the dive boat captain that
> this is NOT a person you will be willing to buddy with. If you are paying
> money to dive on this boat, you don't deserve an "albatross around your
> neck".

The Hell with all that crap.

Either I bring a buddy with me or, I'm solo.

Real simple.

> I'm just kidding here---I'd rather see Karl live a long
> life full of watching TV, and in contributing to rec.boats where his sly
> wit can be best enjoyed :-) Karl, I've heard you are really missed there !

Good grief!

Dan, "wreck".boats is muddied, turbulent and troubled enough as it is.
--
SJM


23 Nov 2003 20:21:18
Dan Volker
Re: karl breaks limits of human endurance--was King George


"Scott McFadden" <sjm1582002@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:d41a98b1.0311231703.414a309@posting.google.com...
> > I'm just kidding here---I'd rather see Karl live a long
> > life full of watching TV, and in contributing to rec.boats where his
sly
> > wit can be best enjoyed :-) Karl, I've heard you are really missed
there !
>
> Good grief!
>
> Dan, "wreck".boats is muddied, turbulent and troubled enough as it is.
> --
> SJM

Scott,
Would you rather have Karl being "missed" here on rec.scuba , or on
rec.boats ? :-)


Dan V




24 Nov 2003 08:50:32
Lee Bell
Re: karl breaks limits of human endurance--was King George

"Scott McFadden wrote

> > > The king is gone. Let him rest in peace.
>
> Oh my!
>
> What happened, did Lyle really "nail" himself this time?

Who cares?

George spent a lot of time and effort being the south end of a north bound
horse. He's given that up in favor of actually working for a living, even
if he does start with a significant advantage. It's time to be over him and
get on with life . . . and let him get on with his.

Lee




24 Nov 2003 08:14:37
Scott McFadden
Re: karl breaks limits of human endurance--was King George

"Dan Volker" <dvolker@bellsouth.net > wrote in message news:<45dwb.32989$ow5.24024@bignews2.bellsouth.net>...
> "Scott McFadden" <sjm1582002@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:d41a98b1.0311231703.414a309@posting.google.com...
> > > I'm just kidding here---I'd rather see Karl live a long
> > > life full of watching TV, and in contributing to rec.boats where his
> sly
> > > wit can be best enjoyed :-) Karl, I've heard you are really missed
> there !
> >
> > Good grief!
> >
> > Dan, "wreck".boats is muddied, turbulent and troubled enough as it is.
>
> Scott,
> Would you rather have Karl being "missed" here on rec.scuba , or on
> rec.boats ? :-)

Tough call :-)

Karl seems to have a bug for Jablonski as well.

It was about some second hand Halcyon gear he picked or something (I
forget) and, as usual, he got all worked up beyond belief.

So, you are in fine "company".

BTW, welcome back.
--
SJM


24 Nov 2003 16:21:57
Karl Denninger
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?


In article <V73wb.28582$ow5.13535@bignews2.bellsouth.net >,
Dan Volker <dvolker@bellsouth.net > wrote:
>
>"Karl Denninger" <karl@FS.Denninger.Net> wrote in message
>news:bppd7b$pvl$3@pita.alt.net...
>>
>> Or is the bottom line that you detest pressing the limits of human
>ability,
>> and if you can't make it illegal, well by God, you'll drag those who make
>> such attempts through the mud in an attempt to browbeat them into
>complience
>> with your worldview?
>
>Karl,
>This is where my Tequila analogy plays well. What is the "limit" of human
>ability to consume mass quantities of Tequila? Can you chug 3 bottles, or
>can you chug 5 bottles, prior to passing out and potentially dieing of
>alcohol poisoning? What is this human endurance limit?

I don't know. Nor is it important to me, so I will not attempt to discover
that limit.

>If the human endurance limit has nothing to do with issues important to
>mankind, then its probably not even as smart as proving you can chug 4
>bottles of Tequila ( there are at least alot of "drunks" that would feel
>this is relevant to mankind--their version of mankind).

It is not my place to define for anyone ELSE what is and is not relavent to
the human experience. I do not attempt to arrogate to myself such a right.

>Sheck dying on a 1000 foot deep open circuit attempt could not have ever
>helped any future penetration into cave, piping, or society critical
>mission.

There are no society-critical missions in terms of the "limits" and
"records" that are found in diving - cave or otherwise. We have better and
safer ways to do these things. ROVs can certainly manage to survey caves
far more safely than humans can. We do not need to "reach the end of the
line" as human beings.

There was no particular reason to dive the Britannic, for example. The
science of the matter - and the inquiry of what caused her to sink - could
have been answered (as well as by anything else) with unmanned recon.

But it was "fun" to dive the Britannic - and by gosh, it makes a good
promotional video. So it was done.

Likewise for the dives at the WKPP. THere is no particular scientific
reason to put PEOPLE in there, with all the contamination that comes with
people swimming in there. Nor is there anywhere else. In essentially all
such cases, there are other ways to skin the cat.

Yet humans endeavor to find their limits and to press them further. It is
part and parcel of the human condition. To deny that is to deny much of
what makes us human.

> It makes no more sense than dying while trying to show that the
>limits of human endurance for deep air could be--say, 600 feet deep in a 4
>mph current over a reef---this would have zero meaning, because it would
>always be stupid to dive this deep on air, and there would always be better
>ways to dive this deep if a reason existed to dive this deep.
>
>Dan V

It is not your place to judge what is and is not another person's view in
this matter. Such arrogance as you display in that attempt is breathtaking -
and unfortunate.

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24 Nov 2003 12:54:17
John Francis CID
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?

On 24 Nov 2003 16:21:57 GMT, karl@FS.Denninger.Net (Karl Denninger)
wrote:
>
>> It makes no more sense than dying while trying to show that the
>>limits of human endurance for deep air could be--say, 600 feet deep in a 4
>>mph current over a reef---this would have zero meaning, because it would
>>always be stupid to dive this deep on air, and there would always be better
>>ways to dive this deep if a reason existed to dive this deep.
>>
>>Dan V
>
>It is not your place to judge what is and is not another person's view in
>this matter. Such arrogance as you display in that attempt is breathtaking -
>and unfortunate.
>
>--
>Karl Denninger (karl@denninger.net) Internet Consultant & Kids Rights Activist
>http://www.denninger.net Tiredof spam at your company? LOOK HERE!
>http://childrens-justice.org Workingfor family and children's rights
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Do you see any irony here?

JF

"It's a damn poor mind that can only think
of one way to spell a word."
- Andrew Jackson (1767-1845)


24 Nov 2003 14:02:14
Dan Volker
Re: karl breaks limits of human endurance--was King George


"Scott McFadden" <sjm1582002@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:d41a98b1.0311240814.2b7fa6fb@posting.google.com...
> "Dan Volker" <dvolker@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:<45dwb.32989$ow5.24024@bignews2.bellsouth.net >...
> > "Scott McFadden" <sjm1582002@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:d41a98b1.0311231703.414a309@posting.google.com...
> > > > I'm just kidding here---I'd rather see Karl live a long
> > > > life full of watching TV, and in contributing to rec.boats where
his
> > sly
> > > > wit can be best enjoyed :-) Karl, I've heard you are really missed
> > there !
> > >
> > > Good grief!
> > >
> > > Dan, "wreck".boats is muddied, turbulent and troubled enough as it is.
> >
> > Scott,
> > Would you rather have Karl being "missed" here on rec.scuba , or on
> > rec.boats ? :-)
>
> Tough call :-)
>
> Karl seems to have a bug for Jablonski as well.
>
> It was about some second hand Halcyon gear he picked or something (I
> forget) and, as usual, he got all worked up beyond belief.
>
> So, you are in fine "company".
>
> BTW, welcome back.
> --
> SJM

Thanks. Its good to be back.
Dan V




24 Nov 2003 14:15:31
Dan Volker
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?


"Karl Denninger" <karl@FS.Denninger.Net > wrote in message
news:bptb75$pla$1@pita.alt.net...
>
> In article <V73wb.28582$ow5.13535@bignews2.bellsouth.net>,
> Dan Volker <dvolker@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >
> >"Karl Denninger" <karl@FS.Denninger.Net> wrote in message
> >news:bppd7b$pvl$3@pita.alt.net...
> >>
> >> Or is the bottom line that you detest pressing the limits of human
> >ability,
> >> and if you can't make it illegal, well by God, you'll drag those who
make
> >> such attempts through the mud in an attempt to browbeat them into
> >complience
> >> with your worldview?
> >
> >Karl,
> >This is where my Tequila analogy plays well. What is the "limit" of
human
> >ability to consume mass quantities of Tequila? Can you chug 3 bottles, or
> >can you chug 5 bottles, prior to passing out and potentially dieing of
> >alcohol poisoning? What is this human endurance limit?
>
> I don't know. Nor is it important to me, so I will not attempt to
discover
> that limit.
>
> >If the human endurance limit has nothing to do with issues important to
> >mankind, then its probably not even as smart as proving you can chug 4
> >bottles of Tequila ( there are at least alot of "drunks" that would feel
> >this is relevant to mankind--their version of mankind).
>
> It is not my place to define for anyone ELSE what is and is not relavent
to
> the human experience. I do not attempt to arrogate to myself such a
right.
>
> >Sheck dying on a 1000 foot deep open circuit attempt could not have ever
> >helped any future penetration into cave, piping, or society critical
> >mission.
>
> There are no society-critical missions in terms of the "limits" and
> "records" that are found in diving - cave or otherwise. We have better
and
> safer ways to do these things. ROVs can certainly manage to survey caves
> far more safely than humans can. We do not need to "reach the end of the
> line" as human beings.
>
<snip >
>
> Likewise for the dives at the WKPP. THere is no particular scientific
> reason to put PEOPLE in there, with all the contamination that comes with
> people swimming in there. Nor is there anywhere else. In essentially all
> such cases, there are other ways to skin the cat.


Again Karl, your reading impairment is coloring your perceptions. If you
were capable of going to the WKPP website, and reading the various
Geological papers which have been published due to research conducted by
WKPP team members, you would see that much ground breaking work HAS been
accomplished by human teams, work which could not have been accomplished by
an ROV in Wakulla.
Much of the most important issues they have discovered, relate to levels of
pollution injection by agricultural and industrial ( including gas stations)
run off, and how serious these pollutants are in a big aquifer. Read a
little before bothering to argue with me.

Dan V




24 Nov 2003 19:47:01
Jammer Six
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?

In article <bptb75$pla$1@pita.alt.net >, Karl Denninger
<karl@FS.Denninger.Net > wrote:

€ It is not my place to define for anyone ELSE what is and is not relavent to
€ the human experience. I do not attempt to arrogate to myself such a right.

Well, that's an outright lie.

Among many others.

Where's that list?

--
"We're going to rush the hijackers."
-Jeremy Glick, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001


24 Nov 2003 19:47:26
Jammer Six
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?

In article <m8h4sv8a8fiq8pe8cme0pbtimgkhbdoojo@4ax.com >, John Francis
CID <johnfrancis@sympatico.ca.remove > wrote:

€ Do you see any irony here?

No, he doesn't.

Guaranteed.

--
"I know we're going to die. There's three of us who are going to do something
about it."
-Tom Burnett, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001


24 Nov 2003 20:35:23
Karl Denninger
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?


In article <dTswb.207$I7.155@bignews6.bellsouth.net >,
Dan Volker <dvolker@bellsouth.net > wrote:
>
>"Karl Denninger" <karl@FS.Denninger.Net> wrote in message
>news:bptb75$pla$1@pita.alt.net...
>> Likewise for the dives at the WKPP. THere is no particular scientific
>> reason to put PEOPLE in there, with all the contamination that comes with
>> people swimming in there. Nor is there anywhere else. In essentially all
>> such cases, there are other ways to skin the cat.
>
>
>Again Karl, your reading impairment is coloring your perceptions. If you
>were capable of going to the WKPP website, and reading the various
>Geological papers which have been published due to research conducted by
>WKPP team members, you would see that much ground breaking work HAS been
>accomplished by human teams, work which could not have been accomplished by
>an ROV in Wakulla.
>Much of the most important issues they have discovered, relate to levels of
>pollution injection by agricultural and industrial ( including gas stations)
>run off, and how serious these pollutants are in a big aquifer. Read a
>little before bothering to argue with me.
>
>Dan V

Sample collection is easily done by an ROV.

Your bias is showing.

(Never mind all the "fun" diving that the WKPP does and has done in there -
dives that have no documented scientific purpose whatsoever.)

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24 Nov 2003 16:04:13
Dan Volker
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?


"Karl Denninger" <karl@FS.Denninger.Net > wrote in message
news:bptq2b$1lb$0@pita.alt.net...
>
> In article <dTswb.207$I7.155@bignews6.bellsouth.net>,
> Dan Volker <dvolker@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >
> >"Karl Denninger" <karl@FS.Denninger.Net> wrote in message
> >news:bptb75$pla$1@pita.alt.net...
> >> Likewise for the dives at the WKPP. THere is no particular scientific
> >> reason to put PEOPLE in there, with all the contamination that comes
with
> >> people swimming in there. Nor is there anywhere else. In essentially
all
> >> such cases, there are other ways to skin the cat.
> >
> >
> >Again Karl, your reading impairment is coloring your perceptions. If you
> >were capable of going to the WKPP website, and reading the various
> >Geological papers which have been published due to research conducted by
> >WKPP team members, you would see that much ground breaking work HAS been
> >accomplished by human teams, work which could not have been accomplished
by
> >an ROV in Wakulla.
> >Much of the most important issues they have discovered, relate to levels
of
> >pollution injection by agricultural and industrial ( including gas
stations)
> >run off, and how serious these pollutants are in a big aquifer. Read a
> >little before bothering to argue with me.
> >
> >Dan V
>
> Sample collection is easily done by an ROV.
>
> Your bias is showing.
>
Not at all. Wakulla is a pristine system. You would "want" to send in a
tethered ROV that would damage the length of whatever tunnel it entered, for
as far as it got prior to being caught by turns in the cave? And you really
think it could go in to a tremendously complex and constantly branching
system, for 1, 2 or 3 miles ??? Are you aware of the rate of "flow" in the
cave ?
Your contempt for all things WKPP, has destroyed your ability to think
through the problems involved in this form of penetration.

Have you ever watched one of the Wakulla videos, and seen the scope of the
cave, and the way it branches ? You can watch awesome footage of this at the
end of DIR III.
You need some sense of what this cave is like---prior to having all the
answers on how it could be best explored.


Dan V




24 Nov 2003 22:42:45
Lee Bell
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?

> Much of the most important issues they have discovered, relate to levels
> of pollution injection by agricultural and industrial ( including gas
> stations) run off, and how serious these pollutants are in a big aquifer.
Read a
> > >little before bothering to argue with me.

. . . and that can't be tested where the water exits the system? It is,
after all, a spring. One of the nice things about springs is that water
comes out of them.

> Not at all. Wakulla is a pristine system.

Wakulla was a pristine system.

> You would "want" to send in a tethered ROV that would damage the length of
whatever tunnel it entered, for
> as far as it got prior to being caught by turns in the cave?

You'd rather send in people that bump into things and tie lines to them?

> And you really think it could go in to a tremendously complex and
constantly branching
> system, for 1, 2 or 3 miles ???

Yes.

> Are you aware of the rate of "flow" in the cave ?

I'm aware that a Gavin scooter can work against it, pulling somebody in a
dry suit, towing multiple life support systems. I figure a ROV with nothing
more than a camera should do pretty well, don't you?

> Your contempt for all things WKPP, has destroyed your ability to think
> through the problems involved in this form of penetration.

Your support of them seems to be clouding your judgement about alternative
methods. Nobody ever died because a ROV could not get back out of a cave.

> Have you ever watched one of the Wakulla videos, and seen the scope of the
> cave, and the way it branches ? You can watch awesome footage of this at
the
> end of DIR III.

> You need some sense of what this cave is like---prior to having all the
> answers on how it could be best explored.

There's no question that cave diving can be spectacular. That's why so many
of us were willing to do something so obviously hazardous. It's wonderful
that WKPP got the chance to dive in caves they controlled. It's not so
wonderful that they made such a point of restricting access to them and to
other cave systems across the state.

Lee




24 Nov 2003 17:27:14
John Francis CID
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?

On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 16:04:13 -0500, "Dan Volker"
<dvolker@bellsouth.net > wrote:


>Not at all. Wakulla is a pristine system. You would "want" to send in a
>tethered ROV that would damage the length of whatever tunnel it entered, for
>as far as it got prior to being caught by turns in the cave? And you really
>think it could go in to a tremendously complex and constantly branching
>system, for 1, 2 or 3 miles ??? Are you aware of the rate of "flow" in the
>cave ?
>Your contempt for all things WKPP, has destroyed your ability to think
>through the problems involved in this form of penetration.
>
>Have you ever watched one of the Wakulla videos, and seen the scope of the
>cave, and the way it branches ? You can watch awesome footage of this at the
>end of DIR III.
>You need some sense of what this cave is like---prior to having all the
>answers on how it could be best explored.
>
>
>Dan V
>
Besides, the weight of the cable would preclude much of a penetration.
A poster here once gave some information on that but I forget the
specifics but I suspect 18,000' of cable would be a tad heavy for a
little bitty ROV.

JF

"It's a damn poor mind that can only think
of one way to spell a word."
- Andrew Jackson (1767-1845)


25 Nov 2003 10:11:16
Dan Volker
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?


"Lee Bell" <leebell@ix.remove.netcom.com > wrote in message
news:FPvwb.18630$Rk5.3692@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> > Much of the most important issues they have discovered, relate to levels
> > of pollution injection by agricultural and industrial ( including gas
> > stations) run off, and how serious these pollutants are in a big
aquifer.
> Read a
> > > >little before bothering to argue with me.
>
> . . . and that can't be tested where the water exits the system? It is,
> after all, a spring. One of the nice things about springs is that water
> comes out of them.
>
> > Not at all. Wakulla is a pristine system.
>
> Wakulla was a pristine system.

Lee,
I have about 90 minutes of Wakulla video, shot by a Japanese TV production
team. These guys were good cave divers prior to the shooting, but agreed to
a 2 week long intense WKPP training regimen on DIR protocols, etc., prior to
the big dives. The resulting video shows by far the longest penetration into
Wakulla ever recorded on video----it is amazing footage, that was only run
on Japanese TV ( and a tiny 20 minute piece of this on the DIR III video).

These guys shot with huge beta sp video cameras in special housings, with
unbelievable lighting sent out in front of them, by support divers----the
film shows the 300 to 400 foot visibility within the cave/aquifer, and it
shows a level of pristine beauty, I do not think can be matched in caves
open to the public ;-)

When you see the enormous expanse of the tunnels, along with the branching
( and there is a very cool animated 3 -D rendering of the entire
aquifer/cave ) , I think you will see why ROV's would not be feasible. Just
imagine the weight and drag of the cable which controls the ROV, and the
effects a cable such as this would have -- as far as it could be "pulled"
into the cave.


So when do you want to come over and see it ?

Dan V




25 Nov 2003 11:08:58
Scott McFadden
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?

"Lee Bell" <leebell@ix.remove.netcom.com > wrote in message news:<FPvwb.18630$Rk5.3692@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>...

> There's no question that cave diving can be spectacular. That's why so many
> of us were willing to do something so obviously hazardous. It's wonderful
> that WKPP got the chance to dive in caves they controlled.

"They controlled"?

Wakulla Springs has been a part of the Florida State Park system for
over 25 years. Anyone can visit there and enjoy many pleasurable
activities.

http://www.floridastateparks.org/wakullasprings/activities.asp

Lee, as I'm sure you're aware, obtaining "permission" to do something
not normally permitted (like scuba) on gov't property is always a
rather "Rube Goldberg" process, to put it midly.

The WKPP has permission.

The USDCT also gained permission. (whether they're still allowed in I
cannot say)

So, there is a procedure in place to dive there.

Hell, if I felt like it I could ride my boat right up the Wakulla
River to the basin and sneak dive the place (moonless night w/a
bailbonds men on standby).

> It's not so wonderful that they made such a point of restricting access to
> them and to other cave systems across the state.

Do you have any examples of this? Or, is it the landowners, who have
every right to, that are restricting access?
--
SJM


26 Nov 2003 00:48:33
David Scarlett
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?

"Dan Volker" <dvolker@bellsouth.net > wrote in
news:vnKwb.10513$a7.6154@bignews3.bellsouth.net :

> The resulting video shows by far the longest penetration into
> Wakulla ever recorded on video----it is amazing footage, that was
> only run on Japanese TV ( and a tiny 20 minute piece of this on
> the DIR III video).

Errr... If you're talking about the NHK WKKP documentary (which does
feature the same footage as in the DIR III) video, it was shown on
cable here in Australia a while back, on the National Geographic
Adventure One channel. I'd assume if it was shown here, it was shown in
other places too...



--
David Scarlett

dscarlett@_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
_ _ _ _ _ optusnet.com.au


26 Nov 2003 04:39:55
Lee Bell
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?

"Dan Volker" wrote

> So when do you want to come over and see it ?

I'll bet it's spectacular. Remind me sometime after Thanksgiving and we'll
plan something fun.

Lee




26 Nov 2003 04:45:31
Lee Bell
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?

> > There's no question that cave diving can be spectacular. That's why so
many
> > of us were willing to do something so obviously hazardous. It's
wonderful
> > that WKPP got the chance to dive in caves they controlled.
>
> "They controlled"?
>
> Wakulla Springs has been a part of the Florida State Park system for
> over 25 years. Anyone can visit there and enjoy many pleasurable
> activities.

They controlled diving in it well enough for those of us without substantial
organizations backing our request. I'm reasonably sure that, were I to show
up there, I'd find myself forcefully ejected. I was tempted to go anyway,
but there's no point in giving somebody a reason to resort to the violence
they'd so clearly like to use.

> Do you have any examples of this? Or, is it the landowners, who have
> every right to, that are restricting access?

It wasn't long ago that there was long discussion on a site owned by the Boy
Scouts that had been tightly restricted. You either had to have some kind
or award or, as I recall, you had to be WKPP trained.

Lee




26 Nov 2003 13:52:20
Jack Farmer
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?

Sure is hard to miss. haha

Safe Diving.

l8R


John Francis CID wrote:

> On 24 Nov 2003 16:21:57 GMT, karl@FS.Denninger.Net (Karl Denninger)
> wrote:
>
>>>It makes no more sense than dying while trying to show that the
>>>limits of human endurance for deep air could be--say, 600 feet deep in a 4
>>>mph current over a reef---this would have zero meaning, because it would
>>>always be stupid to dive this deep on air, and there would always be better
>>>ways to dive this deep if a reason existed to dive this deep.
>>>
>>>Dan V
>>
>>It is not your place to judge what is and is not another person's view in
>>this matter. Such arrogance as you display in that attempt is breathtaking -
>>and unfortunate.
>>
>>--
>>Karl Denninger (karl@denninger.net) Internet Consultant & Kids Rights Activist
>>http://www.denninger.net Tiredof spam at your company? LOOK HERE!
>>http://childrens-justice.org Workingfor family and children's rights
>>http://diversunion.org LOGIN AND GET YOUR TANK STICKERS TODAY!
>
>
> Do you see any irony here?
>
> JF
>
> "It's a damn poor mind that can only think
> of one way to spell a word."
> - Andrew Jackson (1767-1845)



26 Nov 2003 16:31:46
Grumman-581
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?

On 25 Nov 2003 11:08:58 -0800, sjm1582002@yahoo.com (Scott McFadden)
wrote ...
>Hell, if I felt like it I could ride my boat right up the Wakulla
>River to the basin and sneak dive the place (moonless night w/a
>bailbonds men on standby).

Does Florida have some sort of right of passage on navigable waterways
that would allow you to gain access to Wakulla and bypass the park
rangers? Here in Texas we have such a thing that allows one to travel
up many waterways even if the land bordering the waterway is private
property... It's a kind of convoluted law and even if you are in the
right, it doesn't mean that you won't get arrested and charged with
tresspassing since the cops and lawyers don't really understand the
law that well...

http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/texaswater/rivers/navlawarticle.phtml



26 Nov 2003 18:26:45
Matthias Voss
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?

Jack Farmer schrieb:
>
> Sure is hard to miss. haha


I beg to disagree.

In a normal alphabet, there are 20 other letters, which would reduce the
chance of hitting the sequence "sure" to a very small probability.

Matthias


Ps: hoho


27 Nov 2003 14:01:23
DavidM
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?


"Matthias Voss" <spammat.voss@gmx.de > wrote in message
news:3FC4E255.CE9B030C@gmx.de...

> In a normal alphabet, there are 20 other letters, which would reduce
the

Only 20? Nah, we've got an extra 22 at least.

Cheers
David M




30 Nov 2003 17:29:18
Scott McFadden
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?

Grumman-581 <grumman581@DIE-SPAMMER-SCUM.houston.rr.com > wrote in message news:<lak9svgmr1dr1lniau0nsbb2ajdudeg6a7@4ax.com>...

> On 25 Nov 2003 11:08:58 -0800, sjm1582002@yahoo.com (Scott McFadden)
> wrote ...
> >Hell, if I felt like it I could ride my boat right up the Wakulla
> >River to the basin and sneak dive the place (moonless night w/a
> >bailbonds men on standby).
>
> Does Florida have some sort of right of passage on navigable waterways
> that would allow you to gain access to Wakulla and bypass the park
> rangers?

The State has a concession running glass bottom boats at Wakulla so
it's definately "navigable". I've been told (by a former WKPP member)
there is a fence blocking access to private boats a few miles from the
basin (maybe GI3 had it installed to try and block characters like me
:-)). So, you also might need some bolt cutters to gain access.

> Here in Texas we have such a thing that allows one to travel
> up many waterways even if the land bordering the waterway is private
> property.

Same here. I can run right my boat right along side the famous glass
bottom ones at Silver Springs and they can't say shit about it. But,
that is private property. There's also a big sign near the basin that
says "No Scuba past this point". I've never pressed the issue with
them as the flow from the cave will blow your ass right down the river
at 3-5 mph, anyway. You'd need a nuclear powered Gavin scooter to even
get near the cave entrance.

> It's a kind of convoluted law and even if you are in the
> right, it doesn't mean that you won't get arrested and charged with
> tresspassing since the cops and lawyers don't really understand the
> law that well...

I'm unaware of any FL law that declares boaters, in the water, to be
"tresspassing" on private property. For example, I've seen cavers
going out of boats (Berman was doing this when he got KO'd, IIRC) at
Ginny and thereby avoiding the (steep!) entrance fee. As long as they
don't set foot on land, there's nothing the landowners of Ginny can do
about this procedure.

As usual, public property is a whole other story.
--
SJM


01 Dec 2003 02:44:33
Lee Bell
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?

> > Does Florida have some sort of right of passage on navigable waterways
> > that would allow you to gain access to Wakulla and bypass the park
> > rangers?

You have a right to access to navigable waters except in special
circumstances. The state decides what those circumstances are and they are
about as consistent as our voting record.

> I'm unaware of any FL law that declares boaters, in the water, to be
> "tresspassing" on private property.

I don't know if it's still the cease, but portions of Fish Eating Creek were
fenced off as private property of the Lykes Brothers Corporation.

Lee




01 Dec 2003 03:08:21
Karl Denninger
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?


In article <d41a98b1.0311301729.7574b5b0@posting.google.com >,
Scott McFadden <sjm1582002@yahoo.com > wrote:
>Grumman-581 <grumman581@DIE-SPAMMER-SCUM.houston.rr.com> wrote in
>message news:<lak9svgmr1dr1lniau0nsbb2ajdudeg6a7@4ax.com>...
>
>> On 25 Nov 2003 11:08:58 -0800, sjm1582002@yahoo.com (Scott McFadden)
>> wrote ...
>> >Hell, if I felt like it I could ride my boat right up the Wakulla
>> >River to the basin and sneak dive the place (moonless night w/a
>> >bailbonds men on standby).
>>
>> Does Florida have some sort of right of passage on navigable waterways
>> that would allow you to gain access to Wakulla and bypass the park
>> rangers?
>
>The State has a concession running glass bottom boats at Wakulla so
>it's definately "navigable". I've been told (by a former WKPP member)
>there is a fence blocking access to private boats a few miles from the
>basin (maybe GI3 had it installed to try and block characters like me
>:-)). So, you also might need some bolt cutters to gain access.
>
>> Here in Texas we have such a thing that allows one to travel
>> up many waterways even if the land bordering the waterway is private
>> property.
>
>Same here. I can run right my boat right along side the famous glass
>bottom ones at Silver Springs and they can't say shit about it. But,
>that is private property. There's also a big sign near the basin that
>says "No Scuba past this point". I've never pressed the issue with
>them as the flow from the cave will blow your ass right down the river
>at 3-5 mph, anyway. You'd need a nuclear powered Gavin scooter to even
>get near the cave entrance.
>
>> It's a kind of convoluted law and even if you are in the
>> right, it doesn't mean that you won't get arrested and charged with
>> tresspassing since the cops and lawyers don't really understand the
>> law that well...
>
>I'm unaware of any FL law that declares boaters, in the water, to be
>"tresspassing" on private property. For example, I've seen cavers
>going out of boats (Berman was doing this when he got KO'd, IIRC) at
>Ginny and thereby avoiding the (steep!) entrance fee. As long as they
>don't set foot on land, there's nothing the landowners of Ginny can do
>about this procedure.
>
>As usual, public property is a whole other story.
>--
>SJM

There is a potential problem with the fence - there is some unsettled law on
this point (whether one can actually fence across a navigable waterway if
the headwater is on your private property and whether someone must respect
it) but I would guess that you could get hammed for the damage to the fence
if you cut it even if nothing else stood up.

--
--
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03 Dec 2003 01:07:58
mike gray, CID
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?

Dan Volker wrote:

> Not at all. Wakulla is a pristine system.

You mean unsullied with Helium, Carbon dioxide, and Hydrogen sulfide
wastes left behind by divers? Or just never pissed in?

Actually, it's a major source of drinking and industrial water, and a
long time dumping ground for pesticides, industrial solvents, and
anything else that will permeate soft porous limestone.

> You would "want" to send in a
> tethered ROV that would damage the length of whatever tunnel it entered, for
> as far as it got prior to being caught by turns in the cave? And you really
> think it could go in to a tremendously complex and constantly branching
> system, for 1, 2 or 3 miles ??? Are you aware of the rate of "flow" in the
> cave ?

ROV, no. But it costs less to drill through a few hundred feet of
limestone than it does to mount a complicated dive expedition.

> Your contempt for all things WKPP, has destroyed your ability to think
> through the problems involved in this form of penetration.

My contempt for WKRP is that they conduct extended range dives which are
logistical marvels, which should be studied by all extended range
divers, but try to justify it with a lot of hokey junk.

Sheck tried to take open circuit to extreme depths. WKRP tries to take
shallow clear water penetration to extreme limits.

Six of one, a half dozen of the other.

George's disdain for Sheck is what has made WKRP a joke. If George (and
you) is right about the worthlessness of Sheck's efforts, then his
efforsts are equally worthless. We can only admire George if he is wrong.

Ain't that a shame?



03 Dec 2003 14:59:30
Matthias Voss
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?

"mike gray, CID" schrieb:
>
> ROV, no. But it costs less to drill through a few hundred feet of
> limestone than it does to mount a complicated dive expedition.

It's beeing done.
Even with the help of WKPP: www.waldbrenner.de/db8us/fla6.htm

Matthias


03 Dec 2003 11:22:53
Dan Volker
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?


"mike gray, CID" <mikegrayCID@worldnut.nut > wrote in message
news:OHazb.378090$0v4.19529406@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> Dan Volker wrote:
>
> > Not at all. Wakulla is a pristine system.
>
> You mean unsullied with Helium, Carbon dioxide, and Hydrogen sulfide
> wastes left behind by divers? Or just never pissed in?
>
> Actually, it's a major source of drinking and industrial water, and a
> long time dumping ground for pesticides, industrial solvents, and
> anything else that will permeate soft porous limestone.

Mike, you could say the SAME exact thing for ALL of Florida's aquifers. One
tiny difference between Wakulla and most other aquifers, is the ability of
divers to prove connections between agriculture, industrial wastes etc, and
pollution of an aquifer.

Personally, I wish we had more divers involved in more of the Florida
aquifers, so we could have a much larger News presence to attack the
polluters with ( farms, industry, gas stations, county or municipal
sewage) ---you know the old adage : "Out of sight, out of mind..".




>
> > You would "want" to send in a
> > tethered ROV that would damage the length of whatever tunnel it entered,
for
> > as far as it got prior to being caught by turns in the cave? And you
really
> > think it could go in to a tremendously complex and constantly branching
> > system, for 1, 2 or 3 miles ??? Are you aware of the rate of "flow" in
the
> > cave ?
>
> ROV, no. But it costs less to drill through a few hundred feet of
> limestone than it does to mount a complicated dive expedition.


It did not cost you a penny to benefit from the Geologic surveys the WKPP
was responible for, but if they state had to pay for dozens of drill sites,
you would be paying more than a few pennies for this, and getting less data
back...and the way you throw nickels around "like manhole covers", the
pennies the state would cost you could be traumatic :-)



>
> > Your contempt for all things WKPP, has destroyed your ability to think
> > through the problems involved in this form of penetration.
>
> My contempt for WKRP is that they conduct extended range dives which are
> logistical marvels, which should be studied by all extended range
> divers, but try to justify it with a lot of hokey junk.
>
> Sheck tried to take open circuit to extreme depths. WKRP tries to take
> shallow clear water penetration to extreme limits.
>
> Six of one, a half dozen of the other.
>
> George's disdain for Sheck is what has made WKRP a joke. If George (and
> you) is right about the worthlessness of Sheck's efforts, then his
> efforsts are equally worthless. We can only admire George if he is wrong.
>
> Ain't that a shame?

George has no disdain for Sheck. But I believe he felt it important not to
allow the event to be glamorized, and to kill more divers in similar foolish
max depth attempts.

Regards,
Dan V




03 Dec 2003 17:44:33
Lee Bell
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?

"Dan Volker" wrote

> Mike, you could say the SAME exact thing for ALL of Florida's aquifers.
One
> tiny difference between Wakulla and most other aquifers, is the ability of
> divers to prove connections between agriculture, industrial wastes etc,
and
> pollution of an aquifer.

Of course you can. That's kind of the point.

As for Wakulla being different because they can prove connections between
agriculture, industrial wastes, etc., how do you figure? The pollutants are
in the water. I really does not matter where you detect them, at 300 feet
or where the water exits the ground, they're still there and you know
exactly as much about how they got there either way. No diver has ever seen
where they come from. We know because there are only so many ways such
pollutants get into the water.

> Personally, I wish we had more divers involved in more of the Florida
> aquifers, so we could have a much larger News presence to attack the
> polluters with ( farms, industry, gas stations, county or municipal
> sewage) ---you know the old adage : "Out of sight, out of mind..".

Not a bad idea, but not really related. I wish more of everybody was
involved, but that's simply not how it is.




03 Dec 2003 22:36:58
mike gray, CID
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?

Dan Volker wrote:

>> You mean unsullied with Helium, Carbon dioxide, and Hydrogen sulfide
>> wastes left behind by divers? Or just never pissed in?
>>
>> Actually, it's a major source of drinking and industrial water, and a
>> long time dumping ground for pesticides, industrial solvents, and
>> anything else that will permeate soft porous limestone.
>
> Mike, you could say the SAME exact thing for ALL of Florida's aquifers. One
> tiny difference between Wakulla and most other aquifers, is the ability of
> divers to prove connections between agriculture, industrial wastes etc, and
> pollution of an aquifer.

Oh, puh-leeeeeze! Divers are neither necessary nor sufficient to prove
any connections.

> Personally, I wish we had more divers involved in more of the Florida
> aquifers, so we could have a much larger News presence to attack the
> polluters with ( farms, industry, gas stations, county or municipal
> sewage) ---you know the old adage : "Out of sight, out of mind..".
>
>
>
>
>>
>> > You would "want" to send in a
>> > tethered ROV that would damage the length of whatever tunnel it entered,
> for
>> > as far as it got prior to being caught by turns in the cave? And you
> really
>> > think it could go in to a tremendously complex and constantly branching
>> > system, for 1, 2 or 3 miles ??? Are you aware of the rate of "flow" in
> the
>> > cave ?
>>
>> ROV, no. But it costs less to drill through a few hundred feet of
>> limestone than it does to mount a complicated dive expedition.
>
>
> It did not cost you a penny to benefit from the Geologic surveys the WKPP
> was responible for, but if they state had to pay for dozens of drill sites,
> you would be paying more than a few pennies for this, and getting less data
> back...and the way you throw nickels around "like manhole covers", the
> pennies the state would cost you could be traumatic :-)

The state has paid for dozens of drill sites. Hundreds, actually. It's
how they get the water out of the aquifer and into yer shower.

> George has no disdain for Sheck. But I believe he felt it important not to
> allow the event to be glamorized, and to kill more divers in similar foolish
> max depth attempts.

So he glamorizes his "records" in Wakulla to kill more divers in similar
max penetration attempts. But it's OK, it's in the name of junk science.

Call a spade a spade: Sheck went for max depth and died; George went for
max penetration and lived. Poor Sheck. Lucky George.



03 Dec 2003 22:38:26
mike gray, CID
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?

Lee Bell wrote:

> Not a bad idea, but not really related. I wish more of everybody was
> involved, but that's simply not how it is.

Perhaps if there was less bullshit on the surface percolating down
through the karst....



03 Dec 2003 19:09:44
Dan Volker
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?


"mike gray, CID" <mikegrayCID@worldnut.nut > wrote in message
news:eAtzb.384037$0v4.19630862@bgtnsc04- > Call a spade a spade: Sheck went
for max depth and died; George went for
> max penetration and lived. Poor Sheck. Lucky George.
>

Mike,
A much closer analogy would be WKPP penetrations as similar to an Ironman
Triathlon ( preparation is key, and duration based contest to win) ---this
being in contrast to Sheck's depth record, which I will compare to YOU
trying to set the world record for highest bungee jump :-) ---- if you
survive the jump off of a 5000 foot high cliff, will the bungee snap on the
next 6000 foot drop attempt??? Skill and ability levels for the two
endeavors are equivalent ( max depth records on O/C, is equiv to bungee
jumping off the cliffs till you find one too high)....

Dan V




04 Dec 2003 01:20:35
mike gray, CID
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?

Dan Volker wrote:
> "mike gray, CID" <mikegrayCID@worldnut.nut> wrote in message
> news:eAtzb.384037$0v4.19630862@bgtnsc04-> Call a spade a spade: Sheck went
> for max depth and died; George went for
>> max penetration and lived. Poor Sheck. Lucky George.
>>
>
> Mike,
> A much closer analogy would be WKPP penetrations as similar to an Ironman
> Triathlon ( preparation is key, and duration based contest to win) ---this
> being in contrast to Sheck's depth record, which I will compare to YOU
> trying to set the world record for highest bungee jump :-) ---- if you
> survive the jump off of a 5000 foot high cliff, will the bungee snap on the
> next 6000 foot drop attempt??? Skill and ability levels for the two
> endeavors are equivalent ( max depth records on O/C, is equiv to bungee
> jumping off the cliffs till you find one too high)....

Dance, dance, dance.

As I've said before, the WKRP dives show masterful planning and
logistics. No less, no more, and I admire them for that.

I also admire Sheck for trying 1,000 on open circuit. Wish I had the
balls, the resources, and the youth to try it. It is clear that his
planning and logistics (compromised in large part by the selection of a
ridiculously remote site) left much to be desired, and may have
contributed to the failure of the attempt. Someone will certainly beat
the depth records set, and someone will certainly beat the penetration
records set. Having the right size (and length) bungee will definitely
be helpful.

The animosity between the WKRP crowd and the Exley/Bowden/Gilliam crowd
prevents you from cool, rational analysis of both the Zacatan failure
and the Wakulla success. Both are Iron Man Bungee Jumping. I hope that
refusing to keep Zacatan in proper perspective, and learning from it,
does not make the next Wakulla record run a fatal failure.



04 Dec 2003 05:42:11
Mike B
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?

On 30 Nov 2003 17:29:18 -0800, sjm1582002@yahoo.com (Scott McFadden)
wrote:

>Grumman-581 <grumman581@DIE-SPAMMER-SCUM.houston.rr.com> wrote in message news:<lak9svgmr1dr1lniau0nsbb2ajdudeg6a7@4ax.com>...

>The State has a concession running glass bottom boats at Wakulla so
>it's definately "navigable". I've been told (by a former WKPP member)
>there is a fence blocking access to private boats a few miles from the
>basin (maybe GI3 had it installed to try and block characters like me
>:-)). So, you also might need some bolt cutters to gain access.

The fence is located at the upstream side Shadeville Bridge over the
Wakulla river.
http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?country=US&address=&city=Wakulla+Springs&state=FL

There is a boat ramp on the downstream side if I remember correctly.
The fence isn't solid as Manatees and other animals pass through
freely. In fact, a manatee was at the springs a few weeks ago when I
was visiting with friends.


04 Dec 2003 10:38:43
chilly
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?


"mike gray, CID" <mikegrayCID@worldnut.nut > wrote in message
news:DZvzb.384780$0v4.19645221@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> Dan Volker wrote:
push comes to shove . . .

it doesn't matter if we are up to Sheck, or up to George . . if we are
having a regular little dive and it's our day to die . .
then that's what's going to happen.

We can all pretend that we'll be there for each other even though most of us
yappers are same ocean buddies . .

Umm, heck what was I going on and on about . . oh yeah, well, all of us same
ocean buddies are just eventually going to die anyway

Fortunately for me, I've become acquainted with some diver buddies that are
all *that* . . .OTOH I'm a bit confused as to why they hang with me,
especially since they haven't even seen what an awesome dancer I am . . um
I mean diver . . um . . er . . um, er, shimmy, shimmy, shake, shake . .
.it's getting hot in here . . .

It's getting hot in here . . .I want to take off all my clothes . . it's
getting hot in here . . .yada yada lalala um um um . .

Heck most of you guys don't know whassup . . .do ya?







04 Dec 2003 12:15:58
Michael Wolf
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?


chilly wrote:

> "mike gray, CID" <mikegrayCID@worldnut.nut> wrote in message
> news:DZvzb.384780$0v4.19645221@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
>>Dan Volker wrote:
>
> push comes to shove . . .
>
> it doesn't matter if we are up to Sheck, or up to George . . if we are
> having a regular little dive and it's our day to die . .
> then that's what's going to happen.
>
> We can all pretend that we'll be there for each other even though most of us
> yappers are same ocean buddies . .
>
> Umm, heck what was I going on and on about . . oh yeah, well, all of us same
> ocean buddies are just eventually going to die anyway
>
> Fortunately for me, I've become acquainted with some diver buddies that are
> all *that* . . .OTOH I'm a bit confused as to why they hang with me,
> especially since they haven't even seen what an awesome dancer I am . . um
> I mean diver . . um . . er . . um, er, shimmy, shimmy, shake, shake . .
> .it's getting hot in here . . .
>
> It's getting hot in here . . .I want to take off all my clothes . . it's
> getting hot in here . . .yada yada lalala um um um . .
>
> Heck most of you guys don't know whassup . . .do ya?
>
>
>
>
>

tequila anyone?

--
Michael Wolf

-----

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Why settle for the lesser evil?

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04 Dec 2003 13:30:25
Matthias Voss
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?

"mike gray, CID" schrieb:

> > A much closer analogy would be WKPP penetrations as similar to an Ironman
> > Triathlon ( preparation is key, and duration based contest to win) ---this
> > being in contrast to Sheck's depth record, which I will compare to YOU
> > trying to set the world record for highest bungee jump :-) ---- if you
> > survive the jump off of a 5000 foot high cliff, will the bungee snap on the
> > next 6000 foot drop attempt??? Skill and ability levels for the two
> > endeavors are equivalent ( max depth records on O/C, is equiv to bungee
> > jumping off the cliffs till you find one too high)....
>
> Dance, dance, dance.

Dan is dancing to the right tune here.



> As I've said before, the WKRP dives show masterful planning and
> logistics. No less, no more, and I admire them for that.
>
> I also admire Sheck for trying 1,000 on open circuit. Wish I had the
> balls, the resources, and the youth to try it. It is clear that his
> planning and logistics (compromised in large part by the selection of a
> ridiculously remote site) left much to be desired, and may have
> contributed to the failure of the attempt.


If this would have prevented the logistics to be up to the endeavour,
that should not have dived.






Someone will certainly beat
> the depth records set, and someone will certainly beat the penetration
> records set. Having the right size (and length) bungee will definitely
> be helpful.


Sheck and Bowden were pushing luck, George and JJ were pushing line.

Adding line at constant depth increases risk way linear, while
descending to a depth beyond current OC practice, (that is, with the
according descent speed to save gas) is passing the treshold of known
physiological response.

Regarding luck,some do similar with 6 rounds .38 and chose a revolver
for reliability.



> The animosity between the WKRP crowd and the Exley/Bowden/Gilliam crowd
> prevents you from cool, rational analysis of both the Zacatan failure
> and the Wakulla success. Both are Iron Man Bungee Jumping.

No way. In Wakulla they carry enough gas, do not hurry things, and
decompression does not change that much at all with increased distance,
while at those depth you are gambling with HPNS and Martinis Law.

Matthias






I hope that
> refusing to keep Zacatan in proper perspective, and learning from it,
> does not make the next Wakulla record run a fatal failure.


04 Dec 2003 14:52:22
mike gray, CID
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?

Matthias Voss wrote:

>
> Sheck and Bowden were pushing luck, George and JJ were pushing line.

And I can train my dog to push line. Going where no one else has ever
gone involves pushing luck.

> Adding line at constant depth increases risk way linear, while
> descending to a depth beyond current OC practice, (that is, with the
> according descent speed to save gas) is passing the treshold of known
> physiological response.

That's not news. Deane, Sicard, Kataoke, Nohl, Commheines, were all
warned of the physiological limits they trespassed. They all went there
anyway. In the process they found physiological limits that no one had
even dreamed of, and conquered them.

> Regarding luck,some do similar with 6 rounds .38 and chose a revolver
> for reliability.

Some folks are terrified of the limits. They see the limits as chugging
gallons of tequila or playing Russian roulette. That's OK, let them stay
in their comfy beds chugging warm milk and playing solitaire with a
marked deck. Others really want to see what's out there.

>> The animosity between the WKRP crowd and the Exley/Bowden/Gilliam crowd
>> prevents you from cool, rational analysis of both the Zacatan failure
>> and the Wakulla success. Both are Iron Man Bungee Jumping.
>
> No way. In Wakulla they carry enough gas, do not hurry things, and
> decompression does not change that much at all with increased distance,
> while at those depth you are gambling with HPNS and Martinis Law.

So you think the Wakulla penetrations are no big deal, just a walk in
the park. And you think the risks of staged saturation are less than the
risks of bouncing to depth. If yer right, my admiration for WKRP just
took a nosedive.



04 Dec 2003 17:11:36
Matthias Voss
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?

"mike gray, CID" schrieb:
>
> Matthias Voss wrote:
>
> >
> > Sheck and Bowden were pushing luck, George and JJ were pushing line.
>
> And I can train my dog to push line. Going where no one else has ever
> gone involves pushing luck.

Agreed.
Imagine how you can feel the push when you have many trained dogs ;-)


>
> > Adding line at constant depth increases risk way linear, while
> > descending to a depth beyond current OC practice, (that is, with the
> > according descent speed to save gas) is passing the treshold of known
> > physiological response.
>
> That's not news. Deane, Sicard, Kataoke, Nohl, Commheines, were all
> warned of the physiological limits they trespassed. They all went there
> anyway. In the process they found physiological limits that no one had
> even dreamed of, and conquered them.

There have many efforts been before. Most with the adjunction of
chambers, umbilical supplied, so they had time to adopt to HPNS.

> > Regarding luck,some do similar with 6 rounds .38 and chose a revolver
> > for reliability.
>
> Some folks are terrified of the limits. They see the limits as chugging
> gallons of tequila or playing Russian roulette. That's OK, let them stay
> in their comfy beds chugging warm milk and playing solitaire with a
> marked deck. Others really want to see what's out there.

It depends on your point of view.
When you see it more as work, you plan differently. You'd want no risk.
You'd want/ need teamwork, and probably do not want to dissapoint your
fellow divers being not prepared.
Passing points of no return doesn't seem to fit in here.
To go were nobody has gone before affords a clear idea of where you are
to begin with, and in each phase subsequently.
This feeling, it seems to me, had been lost in Zacaton.




> >> The animosity between the WKRP crowd and the Exley/Bowden/Gilliam crowd
> >> prevents you from cool, rational analysis of both the Zacatan failure
> >> and the Wakulla success. Both are Iron Man Bungee Jumping.
> >
> > No way. In Wakulla they carry enough gas, do not hurry things, and
> > decompression does not change that much at all with increased distance,
> > while at those depth you are gambling with HPNS and Martinis Law.
>
> So you think the Wakulla penetrations are no big deal, just a walk in
> the park.

Not qite. Especially the logistic and perseverance is admirable, and the
systematical approach regarding decompression. Quite different in
character than going deep for the sake of it.


> And you think the risks of staged saturation are less than the
> risks of bouncing to depth.

Definitely. A side benefit of the systematical approach and the man
hours dived.

> If yer right, my admiration for WKRP just
> took a nosedive.

Just give it another focus ;-)

Team-design wise, it is a totally different task.

Matthias


04 Dec 2003 17:41:02
chilly
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?


> >
>
> tequila anyone?

hee hee, it was vodka actually. And no Macy.





04 Dec 2003 17:05:48
Scott McFadden
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?

"chilly" <slarson@shaw.canada > wrote in message news:<T8Ezb.560232$9l5.522976@pd7tw2no>...

> it doesn't matter if we are up to Sheck, or up to George . . if we are
> having a regular little dive and it's our day to die . .
> then that's what's going to happen.
>
> We can all pretend that we'll be there for each other even though most of us
> yappers are same ocean buddies . .
>
> Umm, heck what was I going on and on about . . oh yeah, well, all of us same
> ocean buddies are just eventually going to die anyway
>
> Fortunately for me, I've become acquainted with some diver buddies that are
> all *that* . . .OTOH I'm a bit confused as to why they hang with me,
> especially since they haven't even seen what an awesome dancer I am . . um
> I mean diver . . um . . er . . um, er, shimmy, shimmy, shake, shake . .
> .it's getting hot in here . . .
>
> It's getting hot in here . . .I want to take off all my clothes . . it's
> getting hot in here . . .yada yada lalala um um um . .
>
> Heck most of you guys don't know whassup . . .do ya?

"The wine urges them on, the bewitching wine, which sets even wise man
and ladies to singing and to laughing gently and rouses them up to
dance and brings forth words and deeds which were better unspoken and
undone."

IIRC, from Homer (800 BC - 700 BC), The Odyssey
--
SJM


05 Dec 2003 06:08:28
chilly
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?


"Scott McFadden" <sjm1582002@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:d41a98b1.0312041705.67857c04@posting.google.com...
> "chilly" <slarson@shaw.canada> wrote in message
news:<T8Ezb.560232$9l5.522976@pd7tw2no >...
> "The wine urges them on, the bewitching wine, which sets even wise man
> and ladies to singing and to laughing gently and rouses them up to
> dance and brings forth words and deeds which were better unspoken and
> undone."
>
> IIRC, from Homer (800 BC - 700 BC), The Odyssey
> --
> SJM

In other words, some things never change.

(blush)




04 Dec 2003 22:19:58
Scott
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?

"Scott McFadden" <sjm1582002@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:d41a98b1.0312041705.67857c04@posting.google.com...

> "The wine urges them on, the bewitching wine, which sets even wise man
> and ladies to singing and to laughing gently and rouses them up to
> dance and brings forth words and deeds which were better unspoken and
> undone."
>
> IIRC, from Homer (800 BC - 700 BC), The Odyssey

"Wine can of their wits the wise beguile: make the sage frolic, and the
serious smile." -Homer 900 B.C.





05 Dec 2003 06:48:10
chilly
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?


"Scott" <scottk@localaxes.com > wrote in message
news:vt08i45dniaeae@corp.supernews.com...
> "Scott McFadden" <sjm1582002@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:d41a98b1.0312041705.67857c04@posting.google.com...
>
> > "The wine urges them on, the bewitching wine, which sets even wise man
> > and ladies to singing and to laughing gently and rouses them up to
> > dance and brings forth words and deeds which were better unspoken and
> > undone."
> >
> > IIRC, from Homer (800 BC - 700 BC), The Odyssey
>
> "Wine can of their wits the wise beguile: make the sage frolic, and the
> serious smile." -Homer 900 B.C.

Geez, that Homer was a fickle guy . . . and really, really old too.





04 Dec 2003 23:02:54
Scott
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?


"chilly" <slarson@shaw.canada > wrote in message
news:KSVzb.566861$9l5.107955@pd7tw2no...
>
> "Scott" <scottk@localaxes.com> wrote in message
> news:vt08i45dniaeae@corp.supernews.com...
> > "Scott McFadden" <sjm1582002@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:d41a98b1.0312041705.67857c04@posting.google.com...
> >
> > > "The wine urges them on, the bewitching wine, which sets even wise man
> > > and ladies to singing and to laughing gently and rouses them up to
> > > dance and brings forth words and deeds which were better unspoken and
> > > undone."
> > >
> > > IIRC, from Homer (800 BC - 700 BC), The Odyssey
> >
> > "Wine can of their wits the wise beguile: make the sage frolic, and the
> > serious smile." -Homer 900 B.C.
>
> Geez, that Homer was a fickle guy . . . and really, really old too.

He sure knew that wine...




05 Dec 2003 07:12:52
chilly
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?


"Scott" <scottk@localaxes.com > wrote in message
news:vt0b2ahrrsjk53@corp.supernews.com...
>
> "chilly" <slarson@shaw.canada> wrote in message
> news:KSVzb.566861$9l5.107955@pd7tw2no...
> >
>
> He sure knew that wine...

What did he have to say about the day after?





05 Dec 2003 08:53:05
Matthias Voss
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?

Scott schrieb:
>
> "Scott McFadden" <sjm1582002@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:d41a98b1.0312041705.67857c04@posting.google.com...
>
> > "The wine urges them on, the bewitching wine, which sets even wise man
> > and ladies to singing and to laughing gently and rouses them up to
> > dance and brings forth words and deeds which were better unspoken and
> > undone."
> >
> > IIRC, from Homer (800 BC - 700 BC), The Odyssey
>
> "Wine can of their wits the wise beguile: make the sage frolic, and the
> serious smile." -Homer 900 B.C.


"11. A better burden can no man bear
on the way than his mother wit:
and no worse provision can he carry with him
than too deep a draught of ale.

12. Less good than they say for the sons of men
is the drinking oft of ale:
for the more they drink, the less can they think
and keep a watch o'er their wits.

13. A bird of Unmindfulness flutters o'er ale feasts,
wiling away men's wits:
with the feathers of that fowl I was fettered once
in the garths of Gunnlos below.

14. Drunk was I then, I was over drunk
in that crafty Jötun's court.
But best is an ale feast when man is able
to call back his wits at once. "

Hávamál, The Words of Odin the High One
from the Elder or Poetic Edda (Sćmund's Edda)

Matthias


05 Dec 2003 09:50:14
Michael Wolf
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?



chilly wrote:

>>tequila anyone?
>
>
> hee hee, it was vodka actually. And no Macy.
>
>
>

no Macy?????
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05 Dec 2003 09:54:01
Michael Wolf
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?



chilly wrote:

> "Scott" <scottk@localaxes.com> wrote in message
> news:vt0b2ahrrsjk53@corp.supernews.com...
>
>>"chilly" <slarson@shaw.canada> wrote in message
>>news:KSVzb.566861$9l5.107955@pd7tw2no...
>>
>>He sure knew that wine...
>
>
> What did he have to say about the day after?
>
>
>

well, I do know that there's no mention of aspirin or alka seltzer in
the Odyssea or Iliad...

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05 Dec 2003 09:59:54
Michael Wolf
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?



Matthias Voss wrote:

> Scott schrieb:
>
>>"Scott McFadden" <sjm1582002@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:d41a98b1.0312041705.67857c04@posting.google.com...
>>
>>
>>>"The wine urges them on, the bewitching wine, which sets even wise man
>>>and ladies to singing and to laughing gently and rouses them up to
>>>dance and brings forth words and deeds which were better unspoken and
>>>undone."
>>>
>>>IIRC, from Homer (800 BC - 700 BC), The Odyssey
>>
>>"Wine can of their wits the wise beguile: make the sage frolic, and the
>>serious smile." -Homer 900 B.C.
>
>
>
> "11. A better burden can no man bear
> on the way than his mother wit:
> and no worse provision can he carry with him
> than too deep a draught of ale.
>
> 12. Less good than they say for the sons of men
> is the drinking oft of ale:
> for the more they drink, the less can they think
> and keep a watch o'er their wits.
>
> 13. A bird of Unmindfulness flutters o'er ale feasts,
> wiling away men's wits:
> with the feathers of that fowl I was fettered once
> in the garths of Gunnlos below.
>
> 14. Drunk was I then, I was over drunk
> in that crafty Jötun's court.
> But best is an ale feast when man is able
> to call back his wits at once. "
>
> Hávamál, The Words of Odin the High One
> from the Elder or Poetic Edda (Sćmund's Edda)
>
> Matthias

'When the world is too dark and I need the light inside of me, I'll walk
into a bar and drink fifteen pints of beer'

Shane McGowan


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05 Dec 2003 22:23:44
rnf2
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?


"Michael Wolf" <michael.wolf@advalvasstopspam.be > wrote in message
news:bqph0u$qln$1@reader10.wxs.nl...
>
>
> chilly wrote:
>
> >>tequila anyone?
> >
> >
> > hee hee, it was vodka actually. And no Macy.
> >
> >
> >
>
> no Macy?????
> --
> Michael Wolf
>

I thought macy was a store? do you mean theres no drinking in the Mall?

rhys





05 Dec 2003 22:26:39
rnf2
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?


"Matthias Voss" <spammat.voss@gmx.de > wrote in message
news:3FD03961.8DCEFB69@gmx.de...
> Scott schrieb:
> >
> > "Scott McFadden" <sjm1582002@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:d41a98b1.0312041705.67857c04@posting.google.com...
> >
> > > "The wine urges them on, the bewitching wine, which sets even wise man
> > > and ladies to singing and to laughing gently and rouses them up to
> > > dance and brings forth words and deeds which were better unspoken and
> > > undone."
> > >
> > > IIRC, from Homer (800 BC - 700 BC), The Odyssey
> >
> > "Wine can of their wits the wise beguile: make the sage frolic, and the
> > serious smile." -Homer 900 B.C.
>
>
> "11. A better burden can no man bear
> on the way than his mother wit:
> and no worse provision can he carry with him
> than too deep a draught of ale.
>
> 12. Less good than they say for the sons of men
> is the drinking oft of ale:
> for the more they drink, the less can they think
> and keep a watch o'er their wits.
>
> 13. A bird of Unmindfulness flutters o'er ale feasts,
> wiling away men's wits:
> with the feathers of that fowl I was fettered once
> in the garths of Gunnlos below.
>
> 14. Drunk was I then, I was over drunk
> in that crafty Jötun's court.
> But best is an ale feast when man is able
> to call back his wits at once. "
>
> Hávamál, The Words of Odin the High One
> from the Elder or Poetic Edda (Sćmund's Edda)
>
> Matthias

Where can I find a copy of the Eddas? I've tried online but theres no copies
posted that Google could find. or my keywords matched to. and the Uni
library hereonly had them in the old norse... Damn university thinks
everyone has a PhD in acient lit.

rhys




05 Dec 2003 10:48:47
Michael Wolf
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?



rnf2 wrote:

> "Michael Wolf" <michael.wolf@advalvasstopspam.be> wrote in message
> news:bqph0u$qln$1@reader10.wxs.nl...
>
>>
>>chilly wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>tequila anyone?
>>>
>>>
>>>hee hee, it was vodka actually. And no Macy.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>no Macy?????
>>--
>>Michael Wolf
>>
>
>
> I thought macy was a store? do you mean theres no drinking in the Mall?
>
> rhys
>
>
>

Macy as in Macy Gray. Chilly's kinda in to Macy...a lot.

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05 Dec 2003 11:42:00
Matthias Voss
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?

rnf2 schrieb:
>
>
> > Hávamál, The Words of Odin the High One
> > from the Elder or Poetic Edda (Sćmund's Edda)
> >
> > Matthias
>
> Where can I find a copy of the Eddas? I've tried online but theres no copies
> posted that Google could find. or my keywords matched to. and the Uni
> library hereonly had them in the old norse... Damn university thinks
> everyone has a PhD in acient lit.


Did you try Amazon, Author Snorri Norsson (sp?), or antique bookshops.

Some newer versions may be influenced by christianity, which they should
not.

Yes, in the days of old, nobody cared to much about translations into
english.

Matthias


05 Dec 2003 12:07:49
Lee Bell
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?

"Scott" wrote

> > > "Wine can of their wits the wise beguile: make the sage frolic, and
the
> > > serious smile." -Homer 900 B.C.
> >
> > Geez, that Homer was a fickle guy . . . and really, really old too.
>
> He sure knew that wine...

Nah. In 900 BC, it hadn't had time enough to age properly.




05 Dec 2003 12:10:16
Lee Bell
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?

"Michael Wolf" wrote

> 'When the world is too dark and I need the light inside of me, I'll walk
> into a bar and drink fifteen pints of beer'

When the anchor's set and the keys put away for the day, the bar is open.

Lee Bell, 2003




05 Dec 2003 09:23:29
Dan Nafe
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?

In article <vt08i45dniaeae@corp.supernews.com >,
"Scott" <scottk@localaxes.com > wrote:

> "Scott McFadden" <sjm1582002@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:d41a98b1.0312041705.67857c04@posting.google.com...
>
> > "The wine urges them on, the bewitching wine, which sets even wise man
> > and ladies to singing and to laughing gently and rouses them up to
> > dance and brings forth words and deeds which were better unspoken and
> > undone."
> >
> > IIRC, from Homer (800 BC - 700 BC), The Odyssey
>
> "Wine can of their wits the wise beguile: make the sage frolic, and the
> serious smile." -Homer 900 B.C.


"... I like my beer cold, my T.V. loud and my gays flamming"
Homer (1999 AD), The Simpsons


05 Dec 2003 15:43:26
chilly
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?


"Michael Wolf" <michael.wolf@advalvasstopspam.be > wrote in message
news:bqph0u$qln$1@reader10.wxs.nl...
>
>
> chilly wrote:
>
> >>tequila anyone?
> >
> >
> > hee hee, it was vodka actually. And no Macy.
> >
> >
> >
>
> no Macy?????

No, it was Nelly. Didn't you recognize the words to the song I was singing?
:^)





05 Dec 2003 15:48:27
chilly
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?


"rnf2" <rnf2@NOSPAMwaikato.ac.nz > wrote in message
news:3fd04d4a@news.iconz.co.nz...
>
> > no Macy?????
> > --
> > Michael Wolf
> >
>
> I thought macy was a store? do you mean theres no drinking in the Mall?

Macy Gray.





05 Dec 2003 17:37:51
Michael Wolf
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?



chilly wrote:

> "Michael Wolf" <michael.wolf@advalvasstopspam.be> wrote in message
> news:bqph0u$qln$1@reader10.wxs.nl...
>
>>
>>chilly wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>tequila anyone?
>>>
>>>
>>>hee hee, it was vodka actually. And no Macy.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>no Macy?????
>
>
> No, it was Nelly. Didn't you recognize the words to the song I was singing?
> :^)

If Nelly means Nelly Furtado...no I'm not a big fan of her either.
Perhaps after a couple of 'Mad Dogs' (a layer of strawberry syrup, a
layer of vodka and some drops of tabasco)...

I do have a Bad Religion CD playing on my laptop for the moment, but
that's something completely different....


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05 Dec 2003 17:38:25
chilly
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?


"Michael Wolf" <michael.wolf@advalvasstopspam.be > wrote in message
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>
> >
> >
> > No, it was Nelly. Didn't you recognize the words to the song I was
singing?
> > :^)
>
> If Nelly means Nelly Furtado...no I'm not a big fan of her either.

No, it is not Nelly Furtado and I'm not a big fan of hers at all. Or even a
little fan.

> Perhaps after a couple of 'Mad Dogs' (a layer of strawberry syrup, a
> layer of vodka and some drops of tabasco)...

Yeesh, sounds like a perfectly good way to ruin vodka.

>
> I do have a Bad Religion CD playing on my laptop for the moment, but
> that's something completely different....

:^)




06 Dec 2003 11:29:31
rnf2
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?


"chilly" <slarson@shaw.canada > wrote in message
news:fN1Ab.567693$pl3.451334@pd7tw3no...
>
> "rnf2" <rnf2@NOSPAMwaikato.ac.nz> wrote in message
> news:3fd04d4a@news.iconz.co.nz...
> >
> > > no Macy?????
> > > --
> > > Michael Wolf
> > >
> >
> > I thought macy was a store? do you mean theres no drinking in the Mall?
>
> Macy Gray.
>

Umm.... who the hell is macy grey? is that someone before my time or just a
USA cultist?

rhys




06 Dec 2003 11:31:13
rnf2
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?


"Dan Nafe" <dan@scuba-training.net > wrote in message
news:dan-2ADCC1.09232805122003@bignews.bellsouth.net...
> In article <vt08i45dniaeae@corp.supernews.com>,
> "Scott" <scottk@localaxes.com> wrote:
>
> > "Scott McFadden" <sjm1582002@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:d41a98b1.0312041705.67857c04@posting.google.com...
> >
> > > "The wine urges them on, the bewitching wine, which sets even wise man
> > > and ladies to singing and to laughing gently and rouses them up to
> > > dance and brings forth words and deeds which were better unspoken and
> > > undone."
> > >
> > > IIRC, from Homer (800 BC - 700 BC), The Odyssey
> >
> > "Wine can of their wits the wise beguile: make the sage frolic, and the
> > serious smile." -Homer 900 B.C.
>
>
> "... I like my beer cold, my T.V. loud and my gays flamming"
> Homer (1999 AD), The Simpsons

Does that mean that the flamers on Rec.Scuba are gays???

geeze, and I never knew....

rhys




06 Dec 2003 02:06:29
Michael Wolf
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?

"chilly" <slarson@shaw.canada > wrote in
news:lo3Ab.566188$6C4.44768@pd7tw1no:

>
> "Michael Wolf" <michael.wolf@advalvasstopspam.be> wrote in message
> news:bqqchl$mjk$1@reader11.wxs.nl...
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > No, it was Nelly. Didn't you recognize the words to the song I was
> singing?
>> > :^)
>>
>> If Nelly means Nelly Furtado...no I'm not a big fan of her either.
>
> No, it is not Nelly Furtado and I'm not a big fan of hers at all. Or
> even a little fan.

Which Nelly is it then?

>
>> Perhaps after a couple of 'Mad Dogs' (a layer of strawberry syrup, a
>> layer of vodka and some drops of tabasco)...
>
> Yeesh, sounds like a perfectly good way to ruin vodka.

No, not at all. It was invented by the Polish and they certainly don't want
to ruin their excellent vodka (I never drink any other vodka than the
Polish one).

But those Mad Dogs are dangerous...


>>
>> I do have a Bad Religion CD playing on my laptop for the moment, but
>> that's something completely different....
>
>:^)
>
>
>



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05 Dec 2003 14:02:14
Dennis (Icarus)
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?


"rnf2" <rnf2@NOSPAMwaikato.ac.nz > wrote in message
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>
> "Matthias Voss" <spammat.voss@gmx.de> wrote in message
> news:3FD03961.8DCEFB69@gmx.de...
> > Scott schrieb:
> > >
> > > "Scott McFadden" <sjm1582002@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:d41a98b1.0312041705.67857c04@posting.google.com...
> > >
> > > > "The wine urges them on, the bewitching wine, which sets even wise
man
> > > > and ladies to singing and to laughing gently and rouses them up to
> > > > dance and brings forth words and deeds which were better unspoken
and
> > > > undone."
> > > >
> > > > IIRC, from Homer (800 BC - 700 BC), The Odyssey
> > >
> > > "Wine can of their wits the wise beguile: make the sage frolic, and
the
> > > serious smile." -Homer 900 B.C.
> >
> >
> > "11. A better burden can no man bear
> > on the way than his mother wit:
> > and no worse provision can he carry with him
> > than too deep a draught of ale.
> >
> > 12. Less good than they say for the sons of men
> > is the drinking oft of ale:
> > for the more they drink, the less can they think
> > and keep a watch o'er their wits.
> >
> > 13. A bird of Unmindfulness flutters o'er ale feasts,
> > wiling away men's wits:
> > with the feathers of that fowl I was fettered once
> > in the garths of Gunnlos below.
> >
> > 14. Drunk was I then, I was over drunk
> > in that crafty Jötun's court.
> > But best is an ale feast when man is able
> > to call back his wits at once. "
> >
> > Hávamál, The Words of Odin the High One
> > from the Elder or Poetic Edda (Sćmund's Edda)
> >
> > Matthias
>
> Where can I find a copy of the Eddas? I've tried online but theres no
copies
> posted that Google could find. or my keywords matched to. and the Uni
> library hereonly had them in the old norse... Damn university thinks
> everyone has a PhD in acient lit.
>

Would this help?
http://www.angelfire.com/on/Wodensharrow/texts.html

> rhys
>
>




06 Dec 2003 13:05:16
chilly
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?


"Michael Wolf" <michael.wolf@advalvasstopspam.be > wrote in message
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>
> Which Nelly is it then?
>
> >
> >> Perhaps after a couple of 'Mad Dogs' (a layer of strawberry syrup, a
> >> layer of vodka and some drops of tabasco)...
> >
> > Yeesh, sounds like a perfectly good way to ruin vodka.
>
> No, not at all. It was invented by the Polish and they certainly don't
want
> to ruin their excellent vodka (I never drink any other vodka than the
> Polish one).
>
> But those Mad Dogs are dangerous...

Not so dangerous . . . if it was really all that dangerous . . .then you'd
know what I meant by Nelly

Always remember, and never forget . . .you didn't used to know who Macy
Gray was




06 Dec 2003 13:20:15
Michael Wolf
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?

"chilly" <slarson@shaw.canada > wrote in
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>
> "Michael Wolf" <michael.wolf@advalvasstopspam.be> wrote in message
> news:Xns94491ECC377FFmichaelwolfstopspamt@195.130.132.69...
>>
>> Which Nelly is it then?
>>
>> >
>> >> Perhaps after a couple of 'Mad Dogs' (a layer of strawberry syrup,
>> >> a layer of vodka and some drops of tabasco)...
>> >
>> > Yeesh, sounds like a perfectly good way to ruin vodka.
>>
>> No, not at all. It was invented by the Polish and they certainly
>> don't
> want
>> to ruin their excellent vodka (I never drink any other vodka than the
>> Polish one).
>>
>> But those Mad Dogs are dangerous...
>
> Not so dangerous . . . if it was really all that dangerous . . .then
> you'd know what I meant by Nelly

I hadn't drunk any when you mentioned her. I'll give it a try and see if I
then know who she is...

>
> Always remember, and never forget . . .you didn't used to know who
> Macy Gray was

I did by the time you talked about her for the first time...but I still
don't like her...maybe after a joint...or two...



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06 Dec 2003 13:33:11
chilly
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?


"Michael Wolf" <michael.wolf@advalvasstopspam.be > wrote in message > >> But
those Mad Dogs are dangerous...
> >
> > Not so dangerous . . . if it was really all that dangerous . . .then
> > you'd know what I meant by Nelly
>
> I hadn't drunk any when you mentioned her. I'll give it a try and see if I
> then know who she is...

Hmmm, I'd swear that you said you'd never heard of her and so then you
checked into her music and changed your mind . .
but that's not the first time I've been mistaken


>
> >
> > Always remember, and never forget . . .you didn't used to know who
> > Macy Gray was
>
> I did by the time you talked about her for the first time...but I still
> don't like her...maybe after a joint...or two...

You smoke dope?!?!? Get the heck out of my hunting camp,man . . . I'm
totally against that.





06 Dec 2003 14:04:13
Michael Wolf
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?

"chilly" <slarson@shaw.canada > wrote in
news:rUkAb.581176$9l5.279933@pd7tw2no:

>
> "Michael Wolf" <michael.wolf@advalvasstopspam.be> wrote in message >
> >> But those Mad Dogs are dangerous...
>> >
>> > Not so dangerous . . . if it was really all that dangerous . .
>> > .then you'd know what I meant by Nelly
>>
>> I hadn't drunk any when you mentioned her. I'll give it a try and see
>> if I then know who she is...
>
> Hmmm, I'd swear that you said you'd never heard of her and so then you
> checked into her music and changed your mind . .
> but that's not the first time I've been mistaken
>
>
>>
>> >
>> > Always remember, and never forget . . .you didn't used to know who
>> > Macy Gray was
>>
>> I did by the time you talked about her for the first time...but I
>> still don't like her...maybe after a joint...or two...
>
> You smoke dope?!?!? Get the heck out of my hunting camp,man . . . I'm
> totally against that.

Hey, I live in one of the (very) few countries were it's legalized...and I
can grow it for personal use...

Don't know though if I would like to be in a hunting camp if they were
smoking it...



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07 Dec 2003 00:10:53
chilly
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?


"Michael Wolf" <michael.wolf@advalvasstopspam.be > wrote in message
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> > You smoke dope?!?!? Get the heck out of my hunting camp,man . . . I'm
> > totally against that.
>
> Hey, I live in one of the (very) few countries were it's legalized...and I
> can grow it for personal use...

Oh well, then, never mind.

>
> Don't know though if I would like to be in a hunting camp if they were
> smoking it...
>

LOL




07 Dec 2003 03:44:18
Salty
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?

"chilly" <slarson@shaw.canada > wrote in message news:<fN1Ab.567693$pl3.451334@pd7tw3no>...

> Macy Gray.

They had you up dancing ?? Hmm. <grin > Hey... you like Macy, ya
ever listen to Etta James ??


13 Dec 2003 19:21:38
Greg Mossman
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?

"Salty" <babette7401@hotmail.com > wrote in message
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> "chilly" <slarson@shaw.canada> wrote in message
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>
> > Macy Gray.
>
> They had you up dancing ?? Hmm. <grin> Hey... you like Macy, ya
> ever listen to Etta James ??

I'd like to see her up dancing. The few times I've caught her at the HOB,
she just sits on the edge of the stage dangling her tree trunks.




13 Dec 2003 20:25:04
Scott
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?

"Greg Mossman" <mossman@qnet.com > wrote in message
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> I'd like to see her up dancing. The few times I've caught her at the HOB,
> she just sits on the edge of the stage dangling her tree trunks.

Come on man, she was born in '38.

She has done her time, and if she wants to sit at the edge of the stage, she
can.

I would consider it a privilege to see her.




13 Dec 2003 20:23:11
Greg Mossman
Re: King George resigned from WKPP?

"Scott" <scottk@localaxes.com > wrote in message
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> Come on man, she was born in '38.

That ain't all that old.

> She has done her time, and if she wants to sit at the edge of the stage,
she
> can.

And she's not sitting on the edge of the stage because she's old.

> I would consider it a privilege to see her.

It wasn't free.