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| 16 Apr 2008 06:40:21 |
| Alan Baker |
| OT: Take aspirin when you fly... |
...and take good care of your health in general. I gave myself and all my friends and family a good scare over the last couple of days. The good doctors at UBC Hospital Urgent Care finally diagnosed why I was getting out of breath with exertion; progressing from feeling a little tired after climbing the two stories to my place to gasping for air just from walking briskly up a gentle incline for 30 yards. I have a pulmonary embolism (i.e. blood clot/s in my lungs). The docs think that a flight from Vancouver to Toronto that was schedule to take 4.5 hours but which turned into near 8.5 hour trial with a diversion to Calgary for a medical emergency (and then a whole series of SNAFUs getting us on our way) was the likely cause for me to have first developed a deep vein thrombosis and then for it to have broken off, broken up, and then stuck in my lungs. And as my lungs got blocked up, my blood oxygenation went down and I could do less and less. This finally led on Sunday and Monday to the tests that had me in a hospital bed, hooked to an IV, on oxygen and transferred to Vancouver General Hospital for a specialist to assess; from where I was discharged today with instructions to return each day for injections of heparin and further blood test until the oral anti-coagulants I've been prescribed are starting to act in my system and they've established what will be the correct dose for me. But what is probably of use to everyone to know, is that when I started talking about this with the various nurses assigned to my care while I enjoyed my hospital stay, all of them said that whenever they fly, they take aspirin (one said for up to a week beforehand) just because of this possibility. When the people at the practical end of medicine are in that much agreement, I'm listening. So take care of all yourselves (yes, even all of you with whom I've been known to bicker <g >) and when you're gonna fly for more than a couple of hours, consider taking aspirin for a while beforehand. -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia "If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you sit in the bottom of that cupboard." |
| 16 Apr 2008 07:31:18 |
| Nashton |
| Re: OT: Take aspirin when you fly... |
Alan Baker wrote: > ...and take good care of your health in general. > > I gave myself and all my friends and family a good scare over the last > couple of days. > > The good doctors at UBC Hospital Urgent Care finally diagnosed why I was > getting out of breath with exertion; progressing from feeling a little > tired after climbing the two stories to my place to gasping for air just > from walking briskly up a gentle incline for 30 yards. > > I have a pulmonary embolism (i.e. blood clot/s in my lungs). The docs > think that a flight from Vancouver to Toronto that was schedule to take > 4.5 hours but which turned into near 8.5 hour trial with a diversion to > Calgary for a medical emergency (and then a whole series of SNAFUs > getting us on our way) was the likely cause for me to have first > developed a deep vein thrombosis and then for it to have broken off, > broken up, and then stuck in my lungs. And as my lungs got blocked up, > my blood oxygenation went down and I could do less and less. > > This finally led on Sunday and Monday to the tests that had me in a > hospital bed, hooked to an IV, on oxygen and transferred to Vancouver > General Hospital for a specialist to assess; from where I was discharged > today with instructions to return each day for injections of heparin and > further blood test until the oral anti-coagulants I've been prescribed > are starting to act in my system and they've established what will be > the correct dose for me. > > But what is probably of use to everyone to know, is that when I started > talking about this with the various nurses assigned to my care while I > enjoyed my hospital stay, all of them said that whenever they fly, they > take aspirin (one said for up to a week beforehand) just because of this > possibility. When the people at the practical end of medicine are in > that much agreement, I'm listening. > > So take care of all yourselves (yes, even all of you with whom I've been > known to bicker <g>) and when you're gonna fly for more than a couple of > hours, consider taking aspirin for a while beforehand. > AKA "economy class syndrome." |
| 16 Apr 2008 06:50:23 |
| Harry Weiner |
| Re: OT: Take aspirin when you fly... |
On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 06:40:21 GMT, Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net > wrote this crap: >But what is probably of use to everyone to know, is that when I started >talking about this with the various nurses assigned to my care while I >enjoyed my hospital stay, all of them said that whenever they fly, they >take aspirin (one said for up to a week beforehand) just because of this >possibility. When the people at the practical end of medicine are in >that much agreement, I'm listening. I take an aspirin tablet every day, with a multiple vitamin. I wash it down with a flagon of mead. That's how a mighty Hungarian warrior starts his day. Horvath@Horvath.net My T-shirt says, "This shirt is the ultimate power in the universe." |
| 16 Apr 2008 04:08:03 |
| Helen |
| Re: OT: Take aspirin when you fly... |
On Apr 16, 2:40=A0am, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net > wrote: > ...and take good care of your health in general. > > I gave myself and all my friends and family a good scare over the last > couple of days. > > The good doctors at UBC Hospital Urgent Care finally diagnosed why I was > getting out of breath with exertion; progressing from feeling a little > tired after climbing the two stories to my place to gasping for air just > from walking briskly up a gentle incline for 30 yards. > > I have a pulmonary embolism (i.e. blood clot/s in my lungs). The docs > think that a flight from Vancouver to Toronto that was schedule to take > 4.5 hours but which turned into near 8.5 hour trial with a diversion to > Calgary for a medical emergency (and then a whole series of SNAFUs > getting us on our way) was the likely cause for me to have first > developed a deep vein thrombosis and then for it to have broken off, > broken up, and then stuck in my lungs. And as my lungs got blocked up, > my blood oxygenation went down and I could do less and less. > > This finally led on Sunday and Monday to the tests that had me in a > hospital bed, hooked to an IV, on oxygen and transferred to Vancouver > General Hospital for a specialist to assess; from where I was discharged > today with instructions to return each day for injections of heparin and > further blood test until the oral anti-coagulants I've been prescribed > are starting to act in my system and they've established what will be > the correct dose for me. > > But what is probably of use to everyone to know, is that when I started > talking about this with the various nurses assigned to my care while I > enjoyed my hospital stay, all of them said that whenever they fly, they > take aspirin (one said for up to a week beforehand) just because of this > possibility. When the people at the practical end of medicine are in > that much agreement, I'm listening. > > So take care of all yourselves (yes, even all of you with whom I've been > known to bicker <g>) and when you're gonna fly for more than a couple of > hours, consider taking aspirin for a while beforehand. > > -- > Alan Baker > Vancouver, British Columbia > "If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall > to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you > sit in the bottom of that cupboard." Thanks for sharing your experience with us. Personally I take a daily low dose of aspirin, 81mg. A bit of information I can share to people who have sensitive ears when flying, is take a decongestant before your flight. But ask your doctor first, because a decongestant may interfere with some prescription medicines. Helen |
| 16 Apr 2008 07:36:48 |
| Walt |
| Re: OT: Take aspirin when you fly... |
Harry Weiner wrote: > On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 06:40:21 GMT, Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> > wrote this crap: > >> the various nurses assigned to my care >> said that whenever they fly, they >> take aspirin > > I take an aspirin tablet every day, with a multiple vitamin. I wash > it down with a flagon of mead. That's how a mighty Hungarian warrior > starts his day. My take is that when I start seeing the nurses flying, it's time to lay off the sauce for a while. //Walt |
| 16 Apr 2008 08:06:51 |
| BAR |
| Re: OT: Take aspirin when you fly... |
Helen wrote: > > Thanks for sharing your experience with us. Personally I take a daily > low dose of aspirin, 81mg. > A bit of information I can share to people who have sensitive ears > when flying, is take a decongestant before your flight. But ask your > doctor first, because a decongestant may interfere with some > prescription medicines. I take a 12 hour Pseudofed each morning and each evening. I developed sinus and eye problems about 4 years ago that just won't quite. My problem on airplanes is during the descent for landing. I need to chew gum, otherwise my ears will pop. Damn airport in Orlando has no gum, idiots. In a previous life, before marriage, I was a skydiver and I made 1700 freefalls and never had a problem with my ears, of course the rate of descent was quite a bit faster than a commercial airplane. |
| 16 Apr 2008 12:14:48 |
| Bobby Knight |
| Re: OT: Take aspirin when you fly... |
On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 06:40:21 GMT, Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net > wrote: >...and take good care of your health in general. > >I gave myself and all my friends and family a good scare over the last >couple of days. Glad that you're ok Alan. -- ___, o | / . "Someone likes every shot"! bk |
| 16 Apr 2008 08:25:17 |
| The zara |
| Re: Take aspirin when you fly... |
"Alan Baker" <alangbaker@telus.net > wrote in message news:alangbaker-2E990E.23402115042008@[74.223.185.199.nw.nuvox.net]... > ...and take good care of your health in general. > > I gave myself and all my friends and family a good scare over the last > couple of days. > > The good doctors at UBC Hospital Urgent Care finally diagnosed why I was > getting out of breath with exertion; progressing from feeling a little > tired after climbing the two stories to my place to gasping for air just > from walking briskly up a gentle incline for 30 yards. > > I have a pulmonary embolism (i.e. blood clot/s in my lungs). The docs > think that a flight from Vancouver to Toronto that was schedule to take > 4.5 hours but which turned into near 8.5 hour trial with a diversion to > Calgary for a medical emergency (and then a whole series of SNAFUs > getting us on our way) was the likely cause for me to have first > developed a deep vein thrombosis and then for it to have broken off, > broken up, and then stuck in my lungs. And as my lungs got blocked up, > my blood oxygenation went down and I could do less and less. > > This finally led on Sunday and Monday to the tests that had me in a > hospital bed, hooked to an IV, on oxygen and transferred to Vancouver > General Hospital for a specialist to assess; from where I was discharged > today with instructions to return each day for injections of heparin and > further blood test until the oral anti-coagulants I've been prescribed > are starting to act in my system and they've established what will be > the correct dose for me. > > But what is probably of use to everyone to know, is that when I started > talking about this with the various nurses assigned to my care while I > enjoyed my hospital stay, all of them said that whenever they fly, they > take aspirin (one said for up to a week beforehand) just because of this > possibility. When the people at the practical end of medicine are in > that much agreement, I'm listening. > > So take care of all yourselves (yes, even all of you with whom I've been > known to bicker <g>) and when you're gonna fly for more than a couple of > hours, consider taking aspirin for a while beforehand. My prayers are with you. |
| 16 Apr 2008 12:53:35 |
| OldCSMAer |
| Re: OT: Take aspirin when you fly... |
In article <alangbaker-2E990E.23402115042008@[74.223.185.199.nw.nuvox.net] >, Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net > wrote: > ...and take good care of your health in general. > SNIPPED > > So take care of all yourselves (yes, even all of you with whom I've been > known to bicker <g>) and when you're gonna fly for more than a couple of > hours, consider taking aspirin for a while beforehand. Thanks for the tip. It's a reminder that we all need to monitor our health. |
| 16 Apr 2008 06:25:05 |
| Helen |
| Re: OT: Take aspirin when you fly... |
On Apr 16, 8:06=A0am, BAR <Screw...@Your.Place > wrote: > Helen wrote: > > > Thanks for sharing your experience with us. =A0Personally I take a daily= > > low dose of aspirin, 81mg. > > A bit of information I can share to people who have sensitive ears > > when flying, is take a decongestant before your flight. =A0But ask your > > doctor first, because a decongestant may interfere with some > > prescription medicines. > > I take a 12 hour Pseudofed each morning and each evening. I developed > sinus and eye problems about 4 years ago that just won't quite. > > My problem on airplanes is during the descent for landing. I need to > chew gum, otherwise my ears will pop. Damn airport in Orlando has no > gum, idiots. > > In a previous life, before marriage, I was a skydiver and I made 1700 > freefalls and never had a problem with my ears, of course the rate of > descent was quite a bit faster than a commercial airplane. Is this under your doctor's supervision? I remember the company that makes it, Pfizer, had to make another decongestant that didn't contain pseudoephedrine. Pseudoephedrine decongestants contains an ingredient that is a highly addictive stimulant methamphetamine. They now make a decongestant with phenylephrine, which is safer. Best of luck with your sinus problem. All the best to Alan as well. Helen |
| 16 Apr 2008 09:29:16 |
| VtSkier |
| Re: OT: Take aspirin when you fly... |
Walt wrote: > Harry Weiner wrote: >> On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 06:40:21 GMT, Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> >> wrote this crap: >> >>> the various nurses assigned to my care said that whenever they fly, >>> they take aspirin >> >> I take an aspirin tablet every day, with a multiple vitamin. I wash >> it down with a flagon of mead. That's how a mighty Hungarian warrior >> starts his day. > > My take is that when I start seeing the nurses flying, it's time to lay > off the sauce for a while. > > //Walt No, actually it's when you see flying Sally Fields that you should lay off the sauce. |
| 16 Apr 2008 09:45:16 |
| BAR |
| Re: OT: Take aspirin when you fly... |
Helen wrote: > On Apr 16, 8:06 am, BAR <Screw...@Your.Place> wrote: >> Helen wrote: >> >>> Thanks for sharing your experience with us. Personally I take a daily >>> low dose of aspirin, 81mg. >>> A bit of information I can share to people who have sensitive ears >>> when flying, is take a decongestant before your flight. But ask your >>> doctor first, because a decongestant may interfere with some >>> prescription medicines. >> I take a 12 hour Pseudofed each morning and each evening. I developed >> sinus and eye problems about 4 years ago that just won't quite. >> >> My problem on airplanes is during the descent for landing. I need to >> chew gum, otherwise my ears will pop. Damn airport in Orlando has no >> gum, idiots. >> >> In a previous life, before marriage, I was a skydiver and I made 1700 >> freefalls and never had a problem with my ears, of course the rate of >> descent was quite a bit faster than a commercial airplane. > > > Is this under your doctor's supervision? I remember the company that > makes it, Pfizer, had to make another decongestant that didn't contain > pseudoephedrine. Pseudoephedrine decongestants contains an ingredient > that is a highly addictive stimulant methamphetamine. > They now make a decongestant with phenylephrine, which is safer. > Best of luck with your sinus problem. > All the best to Alan as well. I have tried the non-pseudoephedrine pills and they don't work. I wish Actifed was still on the market, I loved that stuff, it put most people to sleep if they touched one pill. |
| 16 Apr 2008 06:53:39 |
| Yabahoobs |
| Re: OT: Take aspirin when you fly... |
On Apr 16, 12:40 am, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net > wrote: > ...and take good care of your health in general. > > I gave myself and all my friends and family a good scare over the last > couple of days. > > The good doctors at UBC Hospital Urgent Care finally diagnosed why I was > getting out of breath with exertion; progressing from feeling a little > tired after climbing the two stories to my place to gasping for air just > from walking briskly up a gentle incline for 30 yards. > > I have a pulmonary embolism (i.e. blood clot/s in my lungs). The docs > think that a flight from Vancouver to Toronto that was schedule to take > 4.5 hours but which turned into near 8.5 hour trial with a diversion to > Calgary for a medical emergency (and then a whole series of SNAFUs > getting us on our way) was the likely cause for me to have first > developed a deep vein thrombosis and then for it to have broken off, > broken up, and then stuck in my lungs. And as my lungs got blocked up, > my blood oxygenation went down and I could do less and less. > > This finally led on Sunday and Monday to the tests that had me in a > hospital bed, hooked to an IV, on oxygen and transferred to Vancouver > General Hospital for a specialist to assess; from where I was discharged > today with instructions to return each day for injections of heparin and > further blood test until the oral anti-coagulants I've been prescribed > are starting to act in my system and they've established what will be > the correct dose for me. > > But what is probably of use to everyone to know, is that when I started > talking about this with the various nurses assigned to my care while I > enjoyed my hospital stay, all of them said that whenever they fly, they > take aspirin (one said for up to a week beforehand) just because of this > possibility. When the people at the practical end of medicine are in > that much agreement, I'm listening. > > So take care of all yourselves (yes, even all of you with whom I've been > known to bicker <g>) and when you're gonna fly for more than a couple of > hours, consider taking aspirin for a while beforehand. > > -- > Alan Baker > Vancouver, British Columbia > "If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall > to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you > sit in the bottom of that cupboard." On June 7 I'm flying to Bangkok. I will now know to take Aspirin for at least 7 days before hand. Thanks Alan . |
| 16 Apr 2008 07:02:29 |
| Helen |
| Re: OT: Take aspirin when you fly... |
On Apr 16, 9:45=A0am, BAR <Screw...@Your.Place > wrote: > Helen wrote: > > On Apr 16, 8:06 am, BAR <Screw...@Your.Place> wrote: > >> Helen wrote: > > >>> Thanks for sharing your experience with us. =A0Personally I take a dai= ly > >>> low dose of aspirin, 81mg. > >>> A bit of information I can share to people who have sensitive ears > >>> when flying, is take a decongestant before your flight. =A0But ask you= r > >>> doctor first, because a decongestant may interfere with some > >>> prescription medicines. > >> I take a 12 hour Pseudofed each morning and each evening. I developed > >> sinus and eye problems about 4 years ago that just won't quite. > > >> My problem on airplanes is during the descent for landing. I need to > >> chew gum, otherwise my ears will pop. Damn airport in Orlando has no > >> gum, idiots. > > >> In a previous life, before marriage, I was a skydiver and I made 1700 > >> freefalls and never had a problem with my ears, of course the rate of > >> descent was quite a bit faster than a commercial airplane. > > > Is this under your doctor's supervision? =A0I remember the company that > > makes it, Pfizer, had to make another decongestant that didn't contain > > pseudoephedrine. =A0Pseudoephedrine decongestants contains an ingredient= > > that is a highly addictive stimulant methamphetamine. > > They now make a decongestant with phenylephrine, which is safer. > > Best of luck with your sinus problem. > > All the best to Alan as well. > > I have tried the non-pseudoephedrine pills and they don't work. I wish > Actifed was still on the market, I loved that stuff, it put most people > to sleep if they touched one pill. I'm not sure, but Actifed may still be available here in Canada. When I go to the drug store I'll check it out. |
| 16 Apr 2008 14:37:05 |
| Norm |
| Re: OT: Take aspirin when you fly... |
"VtSkier" <VtSkier@nospam.net > wrote in message >>> >>>> the various nurses assigned to my care said that whenever they fly, >>>> they take aspirin >>> >>> I take an aspirin tablet every day, with a multiple vitamin. I wash >>> it down with a flagon of mead. That's how a mighty Hungarian warrior >>> starts his day. >> >> My take is that when I start seeing the nurses flying, it's time to lay >> off the sauce for a while. >> >> //Walt > > No, actually it's when you see flying Sally Fields > that you should lay off the sauce. Come on. Just when its starting to work? |
| 16 Apr 2008 15:15:20 |
| Alan Baker |
| Re: OT: Take aspirin when you fly... |
In article <c8e6d3a2-19ae-4cae-8e5e-5a69524eb43a@s33g2000pri.googlegroups.com >, Yabahoobs <chendrikson@gmail.com > wrote: > On Apr 16, 12:40 am, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> wrote: > > ...and take good care of your health in general. > > > > I gave myself and all my friends and family a good scare over the last > > couple of days. > > > > The good doctors at UBC Hospital Urgent Care finally diagnosed why I was > > getting out of breath with exertion; progressing from feeling a little > > tired after climbing the two stories to my place to gasping for air just > > from walking briskly up a gentle incline for 30 yards. > > > > I have a pulmonary embolism (i.e. blood clot/s in my lungs). The docs > > think that a flight from Vancouver to Toronto that was schedule to take > > 4.5 hours but which turned into near 8.5 hour trial with a diversion to > > Calgary for a medical emergency (and then a whole series of SNAFUs > > getting us on our way) was the likely cause for me to have first > > developed a deep vein thrombosis and then for it to have broken off, > > broken up, and then stuck in my lungs. And as my lungs got blocked up, > > my blood oxygenation went down and I could do less and less. > > > > This finally led on Sunday and Monday to the tests that had me in a > > hospital bed, hooked to an IV, on oxygen and transferred to Vancouver > > General Hospital for a specialist to assess; from where I was discharged > > today with instructions to return each day for injections of heparin and > > further blood test until the oral anti-coagulants I've been prescribed > > are starting to act in my system and they've established what will be > > the correct dose for me. > > > > But what is probably of use to everyone to know, is that when I started > > talking about this with the various nurses assigned to my care while I > > enjoyed my hospital stay, all of them said that whenever they fly, they > > take aspirin (one said for up to a week beforehand) just because of this > > possibility. When the people at the practical end of medicine are in > > that much agreement, I'm listening. > > > > So take care of all yourselves (yes, even all of you with whom I've been > > known to bicker <g>) and when you're gonna fly for more than a couple of > > hours, consider taking aspirin for a while beforehand. > > > > -- > > Alan Baker > > Vancouver, British Columbia > > "If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall > > to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you > > sit in the bottom of that cupboard." > > On June 7 I'm flying to Bangkok. I will now know to take Aspirin for > at least 7 days before hand. Thanks Alan . NP. And get up and move around the cabin, too... -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia "If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you sit in the bottom of that cupboard." |
| 16 Apr 2008 15:16:01 |
| Alan Baker |
| Re: OT: Take aspirin when you fly... |
In article <cgrb045t6c73bbbjt01sf9rvis4ks24lgh@4ax.com >, Bobby Knight <bknight@conramp.net > wrote: > On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 06:40:21 GMT, Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> > wrote: > > >...and take good care of your health in general. > > > >I gave myself and all my friends and family a good scare over the last > >couple of days. > > Glad that you're ok Alan. Thanks, Bobby. -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia "If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you sit in the bottom of that cupboard." |
| 16 Apr 2008 15:16:15 |
| Alan Baker |
| Re: Take aspirin when you fly... |
In article <2emNj.49784$vr3.24449@bignews2.bellsouth.net >, "The zara" <Scumbag Joey is fucked@demoncaller.com > wrote: > "Alan Baker" <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote in message > news:alangbaker-2E990E.23402115042008@[74.223.185.199.nw.nuvox.net]... > > ...and take good care of your health in general. > > > > I gave myself and all my friends and family a good scare over the last > > couple of days. > > > > The good doctors at UBC Hospital Urgent Care finally diagnosed why I was > > getting out of breath with exertion; progressing from feeling a little > > tired after climbing the two stories to my place to gasping for air just > > from walking briskly up a gentle incline for 30 yards. > > > > I have a pulmonary embolism (i.e. blood clot/s in my lungs). The docs > > think that a flight from Vancouver to Toronto that was schedule to take > > 4.5 hours but which turned into near 8.5 hour trial with a diversion to > > Calgary for a medical emergency (and then a whole series of SNAFUs > > getting us on our way) was the likely cause for me to have first > > developed a deep vein thrombosis and then for it to have broken off, > > broken up, and then stuck in my lungs. And as my lungs got blocked up, > > my blood oxygenation went down and I could do less and less. > > > > This finally led on Sunday and Monday to the tests that had me in a > > hospital bed, hooked to an IV, on oxygen and transferred to Vancouver > > General Hospital for a specialist to assess; from where I was discharged > > today with instructions to return each day for injections of heparin and > > further blood test until the oral anti-coagulants I've been prescribed > > are starting to act in my system and they've established what will be > > the correct dose for me. > > > > But what is probably of use to everyone to know, is that when I started > > talking about this with the various nurses assigned to my care while I > > enjoyed my hospital stay, all of them said that whenever they fly, they > > take aspirin (one said for up to a week beforehand) just because of this > > possibility. When the people at the practical end of medicine are in > > that much agreement, I'm listening. > > > > So take care of all yourselves (yes, even all of you with whom I've been > > known to bicker <g>) and when you're gonna fly for more than a couple of > > hours, consider taking aspirin for a while beforehand. > > My prayers are with you. Thanks, zara. -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia "If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you sit in the bottom of that cupboard." |
| 16 Apr 2008 08:23:35 |
| dugjustdug |
| Re: OT: Take aspirin when you fly... |
On Apr 15, 11:40=A0pm, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net > wrote: > ...and take good care of your health in general. I'm glad they were able to diagnose and take care of you so quickly, Alan. Looking forward to batting the ball around again with you sometime. Canadian National Anthem, anyone? dug |
| 16 Apr 2008 10:26:50 |
| Mark Dodel |
| Re: OT: Take aspirin when you fly... |
On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 06:40:21 UTC, Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net > wrote: - > So take care of all yourselves (yes, even all of you with whom I've been - > known to bicker <g>) and when you're gonna fly for more than a couple of - > hours, consider taking aspirin for a while beforehand. - > Its a shame that now-a-days being stuck in an airplane seat for hours is not all that unusual. And sitting still for several hours can cause blood clots which can break loose and cause an embolis when you do move. If you are going to carry aspirin with you, take the low-dose (81mg) chewable kind. It is much faster acting then the regular tablets, and according to my wife (a Cardiologist) the enteric coated low-dose aspirin are worthess as a lot of it will pass thru you without any absorption at such a low dose. That said, if you are already on any kind of a blood thinner (Plavex, heparin,Coumadin) don't take aspirin on your own without talking to your physician. Mark -- From the eComStation of Mark Dodel Warpstock 2008 - Santa Cruz, California: http://www.warpstock.org Warpstock Europe - Düsseldorf,Germany: http://www.warpstock.eu |
| 16 Apr 2008 15:30:15 |
| Alan Baker |
| Re: OT: Take aspirin when you fly... |
In article <b9776e8e-c59a-428f-ace7-4a620cbc8ea4@1g2000prg.googlegroups.com >, dugjustdug <prestigerealty@yvn.com > wrote: > On Apr 15, 11:40 pm, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> wrote: > > ...and take good care of your health in general. > > I'm glad they were able to diagnose and take care of you so quickly, > Alan. Looking forward to batting the ball around again with you > sometime. Canadian National Anthem, anyone? > > dug Well, since I've been told that I can't play any contact sports until I'm off the Warfarin (yes, rat poison), spring hockey is definitely out. That leaves a lot of time to work on the golf game... -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia "If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you sit in the bottom of that cupboard." |
| 16 Apr 2008 15:30:56 |
| Alan Baker |
| Re: OT: Take aspirin when you fly... |
In article <cLdq6jdb1N4Q-pn2-2zxdrTEHKgJX@localhost >, "Mark Dodel" <madodelNOSPAM@ptd.net > wrote: > On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 06:40:21 UTC, Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> > wrote: > > > -> So take care of all yourselves (yes, even all of you with whom I've been > -> known to bicker <g>) and when you're gonna fly for more than a couple of > -> hours, consider taking aspirin for a while beforehand. > -> > > Its a shame that now-a-days being stuck in an airplane seat for hours > is not all that unusual. And sitting still for several hours can > cause blood clots which can break loose and cause an embolis when you > do move. > > If you are going to carry aspirin with you, take the low-dose (81mg) > chewable kind. It is much faster acting then the regular tablets, and > according to my wife (a Cardiologist) the enteric coated low-dose > aspirin are worthess as a lot of it will pass thru you without any > absorption at such a low dose. That said, if you are already on any > kind of a blood thinner (Plavex, heparin,Coumadin) don't take aspirin > on your own without talking to your physician. > > Mark Excellent point about already being on blood thinner... -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia "If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you sit in the bottom of that cupboard." |
| 16 Apr 2008 17:46:52 |
| BrritSki |
| Re: OT: Take aspirin when you fly... |
Harry Weiner wrote: > On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 06:40:21 GMT, Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> > wrote this crap: > >> But what is probably of use to everyone to know, is that when I started >> talking about this with the various nurses assigned to my care while I >> enjoyed my hospital stay, all of them said that whenever they fly, they >> take aspirin (one said for up to a week beforehand) just because of this >> possibility. When the people at the practical end of medicine are in >> that much agreement, I'm listening. > Alan, sorry to hear of your problem and glad it didn't have a worse outcome. > > I take an aspirin tablet every day, with a multiple vitamin. Horvie, news today is that Vitamins A & E may be bad for healthy people: <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/low/health/7349980.stm But washing down with a flagon of mead will probably fix it :) |
| 16 Apr 2008 08:56:16 |
| Bob F |
| Re: Take aspirin when you fly... |
> "Alan Baker" <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote in message > news:alangbaker-2E990E.23402115042008@[74.223.185.199.nw.nuvox.net]... >> ...and take good care of your health in general. >> >> I gave myself and all my friends and family a good scare over the last >> couple of days. >> >> The good doctors at UBC Hospital Urgent Care finally diagnosed why I was >> getting out of breath with exertion; progressing from feeling a little >> tired after climbing the two stories to my place to gasping for air just >> from walking briskly up a gentle incline for 30 yards. >> >> I have a pulmonary embolism (i.e. blood clot/s in my lungs). The docs >> think that a flight from Vancouver to Toronto that was schedule to take >> 4.5 hours but which turned into near 8.5 hour trial with a diversion to >> Calgary for a medical emergency (and then a whole series of SNAFUs >> getting us on our way) was the likely cause for me to have first >> developed a deep vein thrombosis and then for it to have broken off, >> broken up, and then stuck in my lungs. And as my lungs got blocked up, >> my blood oxygenation went down and I could do less and less. >> >> This finally led on Sunday and Monday to the tests that had me in a >> hospital bed, hooked to an IV, on oxygen and transferred to Vancouver >> General Hospital for a specialist to assess; from where I was discharged >> today with instructions to return each day for injections of heparin and >> further blood test until the oral anti-coagulants I've been prescribed >> are starting to act in my system and they've established what will be >> the correct dose for me. >> >> But what is probably of use to everyone to know, is that when I started >> talking about this with the various nurses assigned to my care while I >> enjoyed my hospital stay, all of them said that whenever they fly, they >> take aspirin (one said for up to a week beforehand) just because of this >> possibility. When the people at the practical end of medicine are in >> that much agreement, I'm listening. >> >> So take care of all yourselves (yes, even all of you with whom I've been >> known to bicker <g>) and when you're gonna fly for more than a couple of >> hours, consider taking aspirin for a while beforehand. And get up and walk around every once in a while. A long drive did it to my mother. This is not just a flying issue. |
| 16 Apr 2008 09:04:32 |
| Helen |
| Re: OT: Take aspirin when you fly... |
On Apr 16, 11:26=A0am, "Mark Dodel" <madodelNOS...@ptd.net > wrote: > On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 06:40:21 UTC, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> > wrote: > > -> So take care of all yourselves (yes, even all of you with whom I've bee= n > -> known to bicker <g>) and when you're gonna fly for more than a couple o= f > -> hours, consider taking aspirin for a while beforehand. > -> > > Its a shame that now-a-days being stuck in an airplane seat for hours > is not all that unusual. =A0And sitting still for several hours can > cause blood clots which can break loose and cause an embolis when you > do move. > > If you are going to carry aspirin with you, take the low-dose (81mg) > chewable kind. =A0It is much faster acting then the regular tablets, and > according to my wife (a Cardiologist) the enteric coated low-dose > aspirin are worthess as a lot of it will pass thru you without any > absorption at such a low dose. =A0That said, if you are already on any > kind of a blood thinner (Plavex, heparin,Coumadin) don't take aspirin > on your own without talking to your physician. > > Mark =A0 > > -- > From the eComStation of Mark Dodel > > =A0Warpstock 2008 - Santa Cruz, California:http://www.warpstock.org > =A0Warpstock Europe - D=FCsseldorf,Germany:http://www.warpstock.eu That is an excellent point about taking aspirin with a blood thinner. My mom took Coumadin (Warfarin) and had to be careful what she ate too. Such as cabbage. She had to have her blood checked I think every 5 days to make sure she is taking the right dosage. Blood thinning medication has to be closely monitored. Helen |
| 16 Apr 2008 09:06:03 |
| annika1980 |
| Re: OT: Take aspirin when you fly... |
On Apr 16, 2:40=A0am, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net > wrote: > > This finally led on Sunday and Monday to the tests that had me in a > hospital bed, hooked to an IV, on oxygen and transferred to Vancouver > General Hospital for a specialist to assess; from where I was discharged > today with instructions to return each day for injections of heparin and > further blood test until the oral anti-coagulants I've been prescribed > are starting to act in my system and they've established what will be > the correct dose for me. > Nice story, Canuck, but we ain't buyin it. We all know that it takes years to see a doctor in Canada. |
| 16 Apr 2008 16:12:25 |
| Alan Baker |
| Re: OT: Take aspirin when you fly... |
In article <0b13e2f1-4643-40a6-b376-c096e6e8cb73@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com >, Helen <helensilverburg@hotmail.com > wrote: > On Apr 16, 11:26 am, "Mark Dodel" <madodelNOS...@ptd.net> wrote: > > On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 06:40:21 UTC, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> > > wrote: > > > > -> So take care of all yourselves (yes, even all of you with whom I've been > > -> known to bicker <g>) and when you're gonna fly for more than a couple of > > -> hours, consider taking aspirin for a while beforehand. > > -> > > > > Its a shame that now-a-days being stuck in an airplane seat for hours > > is not all that unusual. And sitting still for several hours can > > cause blood clots which can break loose and cause an embolis when you > > do move. > > > > If you are going to carry aspirin with you, take the low-dose (81mg) > > chewable kind. It is much faster acting then the regular tablets, and > > according to my wife (a Cardiologist) the enteric coated low-dose > > aspirin are worthess as a lot of it will pass thru you without any > > absorption at such a low dose. That said, if you are already on any > > kind of a blood thinner (Plavex, heparin,Coumadin) don't take aspirin > > on your own without talking to your physician. > > > > Mark > > > > -- > > From the eComStation of Mark Dodel > > > > Warpstock 2008 - Santa Cruz, California:http://www.warpstock.org > > Warpstock Europe - Düsseldorf,Germany:http://www.warpstock.eu > > > That is an excellent point about taking aspirin with a blood thinner. > My mom took Coumadin (Warfarin) and had to be careful what she ate > too. Such as cabbage. She had to have her blood checked I think > every 5 days to make sure she is taking the right dosage. Blood > thinning medication has to be closely monitored. > Helen Yup. I've been given a long list of vegetables of which I don't so much need to avoid, as to simply make sure I'm eating relatively consistent amounts. -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia "If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you sit in the bottom of that cupboard." |
| 16 Apr 2008 16:13:02 |
| Alan Baker |
| Re: OT: Take aspirin when you fly... |
In article <d632bb97-244c-4e18-a635-5be371afb2a8@8g2000hsu.googlegroups.com >, annika1980 <annika1980@aol.com > wrote: > On Apr 16, 2:40 am, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> wrote: > > > > This finally led on Sunday and Monday to the tests that had me in a > > hospital bed, hooked to an IV, on oxygen and transferred to Vancouver > > General Hospital for a specialist to assess; from where I was discharged > > today with instructions to return each day for injections of heparin and > > further blood test until the oral anti-coagulants I've been prescribed > > are starting to act in my system and they've established what will be > > the correct dose for me. > > > > > Nice story, Canuck, but we ain't buyin it. We all know that it takes > years to see a doctor in Canada. LOL It can, Bret, it can. But when you present with blood clots in the lungs, things move pretty fast... -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia "If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you sit in the bottom of that cupboard." |
| 16 Apr 2008 16:13:36 |
| Sven Golly |
| Re: OT: Take aspirin when you fly... |
Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net > wrote in news:alangbaker-2E990E.23402115042008@[74.223.185.199.nw.nuvox.net]: > take aspirin (one said for up to a week beforehand) just because of > this Thanks for the tip Alan! I have a few long flights coming up and will definitely be giving the aspirin a shot. I read a few research papers & briefs on it. The jury is out -- some docs say yes, others say it's no help. But, IMHO, it couldn't hurt and it's easy to do. -- Sven Golly -- According to Jeff Davis, Scott Abraham is "no threat to anyone." -- Scott Abraham on the Lake Tahoe Invasion: "I wasn't invited, for obvious reasons" |
| 16 Apr 2008 16:14:11 |
| Norm |
| Re: OT: Take aspirin when you fly... |
"annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com > wrote in message news:d632bb97-244c-4e18-a635- > hospital bed, hooked to an IV, on oxygen and transferred to Vancouver > General Hospital for a specialist to assess; from where I was discharged > today with instructions to return each day for injections of heparin and > further blood test until the oral anti-coagulants I've been prescribed > are starting to act in my system and they've established what will be > the correct dose for me. > Nice story, Canuck, but we ain't buyin it. We all know that it takes years to see a doctor in Canada. And how is it the "you all" know this all the way from Tennesee? You ever actually been to Canada? Know anybody that has? You seem to buy a lot with a whole less value than this. |
| 16 Apr 2008 16:17:09 |
| Alan Baker |
| Re: OT: Take aspirin when you fly... |
In article <66mlbfF2k2u4jU1@mid.individual.net >, BrritSki <BrritSki@iname.com > wrote: > Harry Weiner wrote: > > On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 06:40:21 GMT, Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> > > wrote this crap: > > > >> But what is probably of use to everyone to know, is that when I started > >> talking about this with the various nurses assigned to my care while I > >> enjoyed my hospital stay, all of them said that whenever they fly, they > >> take aspirin (one said for up to a week beforehand) just because of this > >> possibility. When the people at the practical end of medicine are in > >> that much agreement, I'm listening. > > > Alan, sorry to hear of your problem and glad it didn't have a worse outcome. Thanks, Roger (it *is* Roger, right? sometimes I find it hard to keep up with who is who in RSA; perhaps you're Vinnie, too <g >). Given that the docs were completely happy to have me go home after 24 hours to evaluate me, I'm thinking that things are pretty much under control. > > > > I take an aspirin tablet every day, with a multiple vitamin. > > Horvie, news today is that Vitamins A & E may be bad for healthy people: > > <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/low/health/7349980.stm> > > But washing down with a flagon of mead will probably fix it :) And according to my doctors, the occasional flagon won't hurt my recovery. :-D -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia "If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you sit in the bottom of that cupboard." |
| 16 Apr 2008 16:21:35 |
| Alan Baker |
| Re: OT: Take aspirin when you fly... |
In article <Xns9A825DD67A30Fsvengolly@66.250.146.128 >, Sven Golly <sven_medelsvensson@gmail.com > wrote: > Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote in > news:alangbaker-2E990E.23402115042008@[74.223.185.199.nw.nuvox.net]: > > > take aspirin (one said for up to a week beforehand) just because of > > this > > Thanks for the tip Alan! I have a few long flights coming up and will > definitely be giving the aspirin a shot. I read a few research papers & > briefs on it. The jury is out -- some docs say yes, others say it's no > help. But, IMHO, it couldn't hurt and it's easy to do. Well, given that I've now got strict instructions about not using aspirin while I'm on the anti-coagulants, I'm thinking that there must be something to it. Another thing you could probably do is to avoid foods rich in Vitamin K (so named from the german word "Koagulation" and such as spinach, broccoli, cabbage, green peas and beans, cauliflower, chickpeas, watercress, asparagus, beets and turnip greens; brussel sprouts and green tea are both particularly to be avoided) when you're planning to fly. -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia "If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you sit in the bottom of that cupboard." |
| 16 Apr 2008 09:21:36 |
| newellsatwsu |
| Re: OT: Take aspirin when you fly... |
On Apr 16, 8:30=A0am, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net > wrote: > In article > Well, since I've been told that I can't play any contact sports until > I'm off the Warfarin (yes, rat poison), spring hockey is definitely out. > > That leaves a lot of time to work on the golf game... Maybe you should head south in May for RSGNW. :-) Beware of the sick golfer. Glad to hear you're recovering...must have been a bit scary there for awhile. Give my best to the cuz also. |
| 16 Apr 2008 09:26:23 |
| Bob F |
| Re: OT: Take aspirin when you fly... |
"Norm" <Normgrant999@yahoo.ca > wrote in message news:nBpNj.59318$Cj7.29158@pd7urf2no... > > "annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com> wrote in message > news:d632bb97-244c-4e18-a635- > >> hospital bed, hooked to an IV, on oxygen and transferred to Vancouver >> General Hospital for a specialist to assess; from where I was discharged >> today with instructions to return each day for injections of heparin and >> further blood test until the oral anti-coagulants I've been prescribed >> are starting to act in my system and they've established what will be >> the correct dose for me. >> > > > Nice story, Canuck, but we ain't buyin it. We all know that it takes > years to see a doctor in Canada. > > And how is it the "you all" know this all the way from Tennesee? > You ever actually been to Canada? Know anybody that has? > You seem to buy a lot with a whole less value than this. > I believe you are responding to "humor". |
| 16 Apr 2008 16:27:15 |
| Alan Baker |
| Re: OT: Take aspirin when you fly... |
In article <9cc0bdd9-b6be-4437-95e3-a45723c1d0e3@n1g2000prb.googlegroups.com >, newellsatwsu <newellatwsu@adelphia.net > wrote: > On Apr 16, 8:30 am, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> wrote: > > In article > > Well, since I've been told that I can't play any contact sports until > > I'm off the Warfarin (yes, rat poison), spring hockey is definitely out. > > > > That leaves a lot of time to work on the golf game... > > Maybe you should head south in May for RSGNW. :-) Beware of the sick > golfer. Glad to hear you're recovering...must have been a bit scary > there for awhile. Give my best to the cuz also. Will do, Scott; give your best, I mean. But, what are the dates for RSGNW... -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia "If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you sit in the bottom of that cupboard." |
| 16 Apr 2008 16:34:27 |
| Bobby Knight |
| Re: OT: Take aspirin when you fly... |
On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 16:14:11 GMT, "Norm" <Normgrant999@yahoo.ca > wrote: > >"annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com> wrote in message >news:d632bb97-244c-4e18-a635- > >> hospital bed, hooked to an IV, on oxygen and transferred to Vancouver >> General Hospital for a specialist to assess; from where I was discharged >> today with instructions to return each day for injections of heparin and >> further blood test until the oral anti-coagulants I've been prescribed >> are starting to act in my system and they've established what will be >> the correct dose for me. >> > > >Nice story, Canuck, but we ain't buyin it. We all know that it takes >years to see a doctor in Canada. > >And how is it the "you all" know this all the way from Tennesee? >You ever actually been to Canada? Know anybody that has? >You seem to buy a lot with a whole less value than this. > You'll find, if you hang around RSG for a while, that Annika generally jesting....unless someone gets serious and jumps his shit. This was tongue in cheek. -- ___, o | / . "Someone likes every shot"! bk |
| 16 Apr 2008 16:39:24 |
| Alan Baker |
| Re: OT: Take aspirin when you fly... |
In article <tkac04hujuch5okrvpvntmvkjr4k8cr0pv@4ax.com >, Bobby Knight <bknight@conramp.net > wrote: > On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 16:14:11 GMT, "Norm" <Normgrant999@yahoo.ca> > wrote: > > > > >"annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com> wrote in message > >news:d632bb97-244c-4e18-a635- > > > >> hospital bed, hooked to an IV, on oxygen and transferred to Vancouver > >> General Hospital for a specialist to assess; from where I was discharged > >> today with instructions to return each day for injections of heparin and > >> further blood test until the oral anti-coagulants I've been prescribed > >> are starting to act in my system and they've established what will be > >> the correct dose for me. > >> > > > > > >Nice story, Canuck, but we ain't buyin it. We all know that it takes > >years to see a doctor in Canada. > > > >And how is it the "you all" know this all the way from Tennesee? > >You ever actually been to Canada? Know anybody that has? > >You seem to buy a lot with a whole less value than this. > > > You'll find, if you hang around RSG for a while, that Annika generally > jesting....unless someone gets serious and jumps his shit. > This was tongue in cheek. As long as it's his cheek... ;-) -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia "If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you sit in the bottom of that cupboard." |
| 16 Apr 2008 09:43:43 |
| newellsatwsu |
| Re: OT: Take aspirin when you fly... |
On Apr 16, 9:27=A0am, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net > wrote: > Will do, Scott; give your best, I mean. > > But, what are the dates for RSGNW... May 16-18...Tri-Cities, WA (I think I sent you an email in late Jan/ early Feb). |
| 16 Apr 2008 17:00:53 |
| Alan Baker |
| Re: OT: Take aspirin when you fly... |
In article <614692e4-d75f-4e58-b80f-2e15b371aa16@q10g2000prf.googlegroups.com >, newellsatwsu <newellatwsu@adelphia.net > wrote: > On Apr 16, 9:27 am, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> wrote: > > > Will do, Scott; give your best, I mean. > > > > But, what are the dates for RSGNW... > > May 16-18...Tri-Cities, WA (I think I sent you an email in late Jan/ > early Feb). Yeah, you did. I was just too thick to have replied... :-S ...until now. -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia "If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you sit in the bottom of that cupboard." |
| 16 Apr 2008 10:28:00 |
| Dave Fritzinger |
| Re: OT: Take aspirin when you fly... |
On Apr 15, 8:40=A0pm, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net > wrote: > ...and take good care of your health in general. > > I gave myself and all my friends and family a good scare over the last > couple of days. > > The good doctors at UBC Hospital Urgent Care finally diagnosed why I was > getting out of breath with exertion; progressing from feeling a little > tired after climbing the two stories to my place to gasping for air just > from walking briskly up a gentle incline for 30 yards. > > I have a pulmonary embolism (i.e. blood clot/s in my lungs). The docs > think that a flight from Vancouver to Toronto that was schedule to take > 4.5 hours but which turned into near 8.5 hour trial with a diversion to > Calgary for a medical emergency (and then a whole series of SNAFUs > getting us on our way) was the likely cause for me to have first > developed a deep vein thrombosis and then for it to have broken off, > broken up, and then stuck in my lungs. And as my lungs got blocked up, > my blood oxygenation went down and I could do less and less. > > This finally led on Sunday and Monday to the tests that had me in a > hospital bed, hooked to an IV, on oxygen and transferred to Vancouver > General Hospital for a specialist to assess; from where I was discharged > today with instructions to return each day for injections of heparin and > further blood test until the oral anti-coagulants I've been prescribed > are starting to act in my system and they've established what will be > the correct dose for me. > > But what is probably of use to everyone to know, is that when I started > talking about this with the various nurses assigned to my care while I > enjoyed my hospital stay, all of them said that whenever they fly, they > take aspirin (one said for up to a week beforehand) just because of this > possibility. When the people at the practical end of medicine are in > that much agreement, I'm listening. > > So take care of all yourselves (yes, even all of you with whom I've been > known to bicker <g>) and when you're gonna fly for more than a couple of > hours, consider taking aspirin for a while beforehand. Alan, hope all will be well, and thanks for the advice. In a couple of months, I will be flying from Honolulu to Greece, and a couple of months later from Honolulu to NJ. I will take your advice. Again, hope you have a speedy recovery. -- Dave Fritzinger Honolulu, HI |
| 16 Apr 2008 10:28:44 |
| annika1980 |
| Re: OT: Take aspirin when you fly... |
On Apr 16, 12:14=A0pm, "Norm" <Normgrant...@yahoo.ca > wrote: > > Nice story, Canuck, but we ain't buyin it. =A0We all know that it takes > years to see a doctor in Canada. > > And how is it the "you all" know this all the way from Tennesee? > You ever actually been to Canada? Know anybody that has? Helen and Sneds. That's about it. |
| 16 Apr 2008 17:36:02 |
| Alan Baker |
| Re: OT: Take aspirin when you fly... |
In article <0dd4a17a-9583-4611-ba2c-55a3d65c56b1@z24g2000prf.googlegroups.com >, Dave Fritzinger <dfritzin@hotmail.com > wrote: > On Apr 15, 8:40 pm, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> wrote: > > ...and take good care of your health in general. > > > > I gave myself and all my friends and family a good scare over the last > > couple of days. > > > > The good doctors at UBC Hospital Urgent Care finally diagnosed why I was > > getting out of breath with exertion; progressing from feeling a little > > tired after climbing the two stories to my place to gasping for air just > > from walking briskly up a gentle incline for 30 yards. > > > > I have a pulmonary embolism (i.e. blood clot/s in my lungs). The docs > > think that a flight from Vancouver to Toronto that was schedule to take > > 4.5 hours but which turned into near 8.5 hour trial with a diversion to > > Calgary for a medical emergency (and then a whole series of SNAFUs > > getting us on our way) was the likely cause for me to have first > > developed a deep vein thrombosis and then for it to have broken off, > > broken up, and then stuck in my lungs. And as my lungs got blocked up, > > my blood oxygenation went down and I could do less and less. > > > > This finally led on Sunday and Monday to the tests that had me in a > > hospital bed, hooked to an IV, on oxygen and transferred to Vancouver > > General Hospital for a specialist to assess; from where I was discharged > > today with instructions to return each day for injections of heparin and > > further blood test until the oral anti-coagulants I've been prescribed > > are starting to act in my system and they've established what will be > > the correct dose for me. > > > > But what is probably of use to everyone to know, is that when I started > > talking about this with the various nurses assigned to my care while I > > enjoyed my hospital stay, all of them said that whenever they fly, they > > take aspirin (one said for up to a week beforehand) just because of this > > possibility. When the people at the practical end of medicine are in > > that much agreement, I'm listening. > > > > So take care of all yourselves (yes, even all of you with whom I've been > > known to bicker <g>) and when you're gonna fly for more than a couple of > > hours, consider taking aspirin for a while beforehand. > > Alan, hope all will be well, and thanks for the advice. In a couple of > months, I will be flying from Honolulu to Greece, and a couple of > months later from Honolulu to NJ. I will take your advice. > > Again, hope you have a speedy recovery. Thanks, Dave. I appreciate the good wishes... ..but apparently a speedy recovery isn't in my best interest. The docs say that the best way for this to go is for the anti-coagulants to prevent any further clotting and to let the existing blood clots get slowly dissolved/reabsorbed by the body. So wish me a slow and steady recovery. :-) -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia "If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you sit in the bottom of that cupboard." |
| 16 Apr 2008 10:41:38 |
| Dave Fritzinger |
| Re: OT: Take aspirin when you fly... |
On Apr 16, 7:36=A0am, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net > wrote: > In article > <0dd4a17a-9583-4611-ba2c-55a3d65c5...@z24g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, > =A0Dave Fritzinger <dfrit...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Apr 15, 8:40=A0pm, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> wrote: > > > ...and take good care of your health in general. > > > > I gave myself and all my friends and family a good scare over the last= > > > couple of days. > > > > The good doctors at UBC Hospital Urgent Care finally diagnosed why I w= as > > > getting out of breath with exertion; progressing from feeling a little= > > > tired after climbing the two stories to my place to gasping for air ju= st > > > from walking briskly up a gentle incline for 30 yards. > > > > I have a pulmonary embolism (i.e. blood clot/s in my lungs). The docs > > > think that a flight from Vancouver to Toronto that was schedule to tak= e > > > 4.5 hours but which turned into near 8.5 hour trial with a diversion t= o > > > Calgary for a medical emergency (and then a whole series of SNAFUs > > > getting us on our way) was the likely cause for me to have first > > > developed a deep vein thrombosis and then for it to have broken off, > > > broken up, and then stuck in my lungs. And as my lungs got blocked up,= > > > my blood oxygenation went down and I could do less and less. > > > > This finally led on Sunday and Monday to the tests that had me in a > > > hospital bed, hooked to an IV, on oxygen and transferred to Vancouver > > > General Hospital for a specialist to assess; from where I was discharg= ed > > > today with instructions to return each day for injections of heparin a= nd > > > further blood test until the oral anti-coagulants I've been prescribed= > > > are starting to act in my system and they've established what will be > > > the correct dose for me. > > > > But what is probably of use to everyone to know, is that when I starte= d > > > talking about this with the various nurses assigned to my care while I= > > > enjoyed my hospital stay, all of them said that whenever they fly, the= y > > > take aspirin (one said for up to a week beforehand) just because of th= is > > > possibility. When the people at the practical end of medicine are in > > > that much agreement, I'm listening. > > > > So take care of all yourselves (yes, even all of you with whom I've be= en > > > known to bicker <g>) and when you're gonna fly for more than a couple = of > > > hours, consider taking aspirin for a while beforehand. > > > Alan, hope all will be well, and thanks for the advice. In a couple of > > months, I will be flying from Honolulu to Greece, and a couple of > > months later from Honolulu to NJ. I will take your advice. > > > Again, hope you have a speedy recovery. > > Thanks, Dave. I appreciate the good wishes... > > ..but apparently a speedy recovery isn't in my best interest. The docs > say that the best way for this to go is for the anti-coagulants to > prevent any further clotting and to let the existing blood clots get > slowly dissolved/reabsorbed by the body. > > So wish me a slow and steady recovery. :-) > I certainly do... -- Dave Fritzinger Honolulu, HI |
| 16 Apr 2008 13:46:30 |
| VtSkier |
| Re: OT: Take aspirin when you fly... |
BrritSki wrote: > Harry Weiner wrote: >> On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 06:40:21 GMT, Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> >> wrote this crap: >> >>> But what is probably of use to everyone to know, is that when I >>> started talking about this with the various nurses assigned to my >>> care while I enjoyed my hospital stay, all of them said that whenever >>> they fly, they take aspirin (one said for up to a week beforehand) >>> just because of this possibility. When the people at the practical >>> end of medicine are in that much agreement, I'm listening. >> > Alan, sorry to hear of your problem and glad it didn't have a worse > outcome. >> >> I take an aspirin tablet every day, with a multiple vitamin. > > Horvie, news today is that Vitamins A & E may be bad for healthy people: > > <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/low/health/7349980.stm> > > But washing down with a flagon of mead will probably fix it :) This is a silly statement: "A review of 67 studies found 'no convincing evidence' that antioxidant supplements cut the risk of dying." You'd think that the Brits would get the language right. Of course the supplements won't cut the risk of dying. That's one of the inevitabilities of life. What we'd like is a magic bullet that makes it happen later rather than sooner. VtSkier Oh, and I'll second that flagon of mead! |
| 16 Apr 2008 14:04:32 |
| Walt |
| Re: OT: Take aspirin when you fly... |
VtSkier wrote: > VtSkier > > Oh, and I'll second that flagon of mead! Yeech. Sloppy seconds on Horvie's flagon? No thanks. //Walt |
| 16 Apr 2008 12:33:10 |
| The Real Bev |
| Re: OT: Take aspirin when you fly... |
VtSkier wrote: > This is a silly statement: > "A review of 67 studies found 'no convincing evidence' that > antioxidant supplements cut the risk of dying." > > You'd think that the Brits would get the language right. > > Of course the supplements won't cut the risk of dying. > That's one of the inevitabilities of life. What we'd like > is a magic bullet that makes it happen later rather > than sooner. I read that and thought it was a weaselly study. I wanted them to address the question of whether sicker people were more likely to take vitamins to improve their health, but NOOOO. Come to think of it, I NEVER trust news articles about medical studies. If doctors were good at statistics they wouldn't have to wash their hands as much. -- Ch rs, B v ======================================= My f ck ng k yb rd h s l st ts v w ls. |
| 16 Apr 2008 12:37:44 |
| The Real Bev |
| Re: OT: Take aspirin when you fly... |
BAR wrote: > Helen wrote: >> Is this under your doctor's supervision? I remember the company that >> makes it, Pfizer, had to make another decongestant that didn't contain >> pseudoephedrine. Pseudoephedrine decongestants contains an ingredient >> that is a highly addictive stimulant methamphetamine. I thought it could be converted easily to meth. >> They now make a decongestant with phenylephrine, which is safer. >> Best of luck with your sinus problem. >> All the best to Alan as well. > > I have tried the non-pseudoephedrine pills and they don't work. I wish > Actifed was still on the market, I loved that stuff, it put most people > to sleep if they touched one pill. Try generic Benadryl. Dr. Gott (of soap-under-the-sheets fame, I can't remember the common problem it solved) suggested 4x for sleep problems, and it worked. -- Ch rs, B v ======================================= My f ck ng k yb rd h s l st ts v w ls. |
| 16 Apr 2008 11:13:16 |
| Dave Cartman |
| Re: OT: Take aspirin when you fly... |
In article <alangbaker-2E990E.23402115042008@[74.223.185.199.nw.nuvox.net] >, Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net > wrote: > So take care of all yourselves (yes, even all of you with whom I've been > known to bicker <g>) and when you're gonna fly for more than a couple of > hours, consider taking aspirin for a while beforehand. Holy smokes Alan! I'm glad you're okay!!! That is very scary. Dave |
| 16 Apr 2008 18:53:31 |
| Tom K |
| Re: Take aspirin when you fly... |
"Alan Baker" <alangbaker@telus.net > wrote in message news:alangbaker-2E990E.23402115042008@[74.223.185.199.nw.nuvox.net]... > > > But what is probably of use to everyone to know, is that when I started > talking about this with the various nurses assigned to my care while I > enjoyed my hospital stay, all of them said that whenever they fly, they > take aspirin (one said for up to a week beforehand) just because of this > possibility. When the people at the practical end of medicine are in > that much agreement, I'm listening. What dosage of aspirin? --Tom |
| 16 Apr 2008 19:14:39 |
| Harry Weiner |
| Re: OT: Take aspirin when you fly... |
On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 06:53:39 -0700 (PDT), Yabahoobs <chendrikson@gmail.com > wrote this crap: > >On June 7 I'm flying to Bangkok. I will now know to take Aspirin for >at least 7 days before hand. Thanks Alan . Don't forget to wash it down with a flagon of mead. Horvath@Horvath.net My T-shirt says, "This shirt is the ultimate power in the universe." |
| 16 Apr 2008 19:27:12 |
| Harry Weiner |
| Re: OT: Take aspirin when you fly... |
On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 17:36:02 GMT, Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net > wrote this crap: >> Again, hope you have a speedy recovery. > >Thanks, Dave. I appreciate the good wishes... > >..but apparently a speedy recovery isn't in my best interest. The docs >say that the best way for this to go is for the anti-coagulants to >prevent any further clotting and to let the existing blood clots get >slowly dissolved/reabsorbed by the body. > >So wish me a slow and steady recovery. :-) As a mighty Hungarian warrior, and a retired military officer, I ORDER you to have a slow and steady recovery. If you disobey my orders, I will run you through with a rusty sword. Horvath@Horvath.net My T-shirt says, "This shirt is the ultimate power in the universe." |
| 16 Apr 2008 17:01:29 |
| Steve de Mena |
| Re: Take aspirin when you fly... |
Tom K wrote: > "Alan Baker" <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote in message > news:alangbaker-2E990E.23402115042008@[74.223.185.199.nw.nuvox.net]... >> >> But what is probably of use to everyone to know, is that when I started >> talking about this with the various nurses assigned to my care while I >> enjoyed my hospital stay, all of them said that whenever they fly, they >> take aspirin (one said for up to a week beforehand) just because of this >> possibility. When the people at the practical end of medicine are in >> that much agreement, I'm listening. > > What dosage of aspirin? > > --Tom I have been taking one baby aspirin every day at my doctor's suggestion. Steve |
| 16 Apr 2008 17:40:44 |
| The Real Bev |
| Re: OT: Take aspirin when you fly... |
Alan Baker wrote: > dugjustdug <prestigerealty@yvn.com> wrote: > >> On Apr 15, 11:40 pm, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> wrote: >> > ...and take good care of your health in general. >> >> I'm glad they were able to diagnose and take care of you so quickly, >> Alan. Looking forward to batting the ball around again with you >> sometime. Canadian National Anthem, anyone? > > Well, since I've been told that I can't play any contact sports until > I'm off the Warfarin (yes, rat poison), spring hockey is definitely out. You know, of course, that as long as you're taking it you should have periodic blood tests to make sure you aren't taking too much... -- Cheers, Bev ===================================== Snowmen fall from Heaven unassembled. |
| 16 Apr 2008 17:44:26 |
| The Real Bev |
| Re: OT: Take aspirin when you fly... |
Alan Baker wrote: > Sven Golly <sven_medelsvensson@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote: >> >> > take aspirin (one said for up to a week beforehand) just because of >> > this >> >> Thanks for the tip Alan! I have a few long flights coming up and will >> definitely be giving the aspirin a shot. I read a few research papers & >> briefs on it. The jury is out -- some docs say yes, others say it's no >> help. But, IMHO, it couldn't hurt and it's easy to do. > > Well, given that I've now got strict instructions about not using > aspirin while I'm on the anti-coagulants, I'm thinking that there must > be something to it. > > Another thing you could probably do is to avoid foods rich in Vitamin K > (so named from the german word "Koagulation" and such as spinach, > broccoli, Maybe Bush I had it right after all. Next thing they'll be warning us about is oat bran, the silent killer. > cabbage, green peas and beans, cauliflower, chickpeas, > watercress, asparagus, beets and turnip greens; brussel sprouts and > green tea are both particularly to be avoided) when you're planning to > fly. -- Cheers, Bev ===================================== Snowmen fall from Heaven unassembled. |
| 16 Apr 2008 19:17:29 |
| Yabahoobs |
| Re: OT: Take aspirin when you fly... |
On Apr 16, 5:14 pm, Harry Weiner<T...@Fartingmor.com > wrote: > On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 06:53:39 -0700 (PDT), Yabahoobs > <chendrik...@gmail.com> wrote this crap: > > > > >On June 7 I'm flying to Bangkok. I will now know to take Aspirin for > >at least 7 days before hand. Thanks Alan . > > Don't forget to wash it down with a flagon of mead. > I've heard Thai mead is awful...But if it'll put me to sleep on the equally awful 14 hr flight to Taipei...then I'll down the flagons a- plenty. |
| 17 Apr 2008 02:18:27 |
| Alan Baker |
| Re: OT: Take aspirin when you fly... |
In article <j1xNj.65$XZ.4@newsfe02.lga >, The Real Bev <bashley101+usenet@gmail.com > wrote: > Alan Baker wrote: > > > dugjustdug <prestigerealty@yvn.com> wrote: > > > >> On Apr 15, 11:40 pm, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> wrote: > >> > ...and take good care of your health in general. > >> > >> I'm glad they were able to diagnose and take care of you so quickly, > >> Alan. Looking forward to batting the ball around again with you > >> sometime. Canadian National Anthem, anyone? > > > > Well, since I've been told that I can't play any contact sports until > > I'm off the Warfarin (yes, rat poison), spring hockey is definitely out. > > You know, of course, that as long as you're taking it you should have > periodic blood tests to make sure you aren't taking too much... Yup. The drill for the moment is that for the next 5 - 7 days, every morning I go in for a shot of heparin (to think my blood until the Warfarin starts to act) and right before that shot, a blood test to see how the Warfarin affecting my system. Then in the afternoon, I get a call telling me how much Warfarin to take that evening. After the initial period, the heparin gets stopped, but the blood tests keep on every 2 or 3 days for the first little while, and then basically once a week for the duration of the treatment (3 to 6 months). So, yeah.. ..the docs have it well covered. But thanks for the info, in any case. :-) |
| 17 Apr 2008 02:19:02 |
| Alan Baker |
| Re: OT: Take aspirin when you fly... |
In article <oj2d04pge64ad0s8p22hm35430349nft5h@4ax.com >, Harry Weiner<Terd@Fartingmor.com > wrote: > On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 17:36:02 GMT, Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> > wrote this crap: > > >> Again, hope you have a speedy recovery. > > > >Thanks, Dave. I appreciate the good wishes... > > > >..but apparently a speedy recovery isn't in my best interest. The docs > >say that the best way for this to go is for the anti-coagulants to > >prevent any further clotting and to let the existing blood clots get > >slowly dissolved/reabsorbed by the body. > > > >So wish me a slow and steady recovery. :-) > > > As a mighty Hungarian warrior, and a retired military officer, I ORDER > you to have a slow and steady recovery. If you disobey my orders, I > will run you through with a rusty sword. Hmmm... That doesn't sound like any fun at all, so... :-) |
| 16 Apr 2008 19:26:19 |
| The Real Bev |
| Re: OT: Take aspirin when you fly... |
Alan Baker wrote: > In article <j1xNj.65$XZ.4@newsfe02.lga>, > The Real Bev <bashley101+usenet@gmail.com> wrote: >> Alan Baker wrote: >> > dugjustdug <prestigerealty@yvn.com> wrote: >> >> On Apr 15, 11:40 pm, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> wrote: >> >> > ...and take good care of your health in general. >> >> >> >> I'm glad they were able to diagnose and take care of you so quickly, >> >> Alan. Looking forward to batting the ball around again with you >> >> sometime. Canadian National Anthem, anyone? >> > >> > Well, since I've been told that I can't play any contact sports until >> > I'm off the Warfarin (yes, rat poison), spring hockey is definitely out. >> >> You know, of course, that as long as you're taking it you should have >> periodic blood tests to make sure you aren't taking too much... > > Yup. > > The drill for the moment is that for the next 5 - 7 days, every morning > I go in for a shot of heparin (to think my blood until the Warfarin > starts to act) and right before that shot, a blood test to see how the > Warfarin affecting my system. Then in the afternoon, I get a call > telling me how much Warfarin to take that evening. > > After the initial period, the heparin gets stopped, but the blood tests > keep on every 2 or 3 days for the first little while, and then basically > once a week for the duration of the treatment (3 to 6 months). > > So, yeah.. ..the docs have it well covered. > > But thanks for the info, in any case. :-) If my MIL had understood how coumadin worked (not senile, just forgetful and medically unsophisticated), had the visiting nurse reported that my MIL sent her away without drawing blood, had the doctor been alert enough to wonder why he hadn't gotten any test results, and had we known she was taking coumadin, she might still be alive. I figured you knew about it, but others might not. -- Cheers, Bev ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys." -- P.J. O'Rourke |
| 17 Apr 2008 02:33:20 |
| Alan Baker |
| Re: OT: Take aspirin when you fly... |
In article <iAyNj.89$XZ.45@newsfe02.lga >, The Real Bev <bashley101+usenet@gmail.com > wrote: > Alan Baker wrote: > > > In article <j1xNj.65$XZ.4@newsfe02.lga>, > > The Real Bev <bashley101+usenet@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Alan Baker wrote: > >> > dugjustdug <prestigerealty@yvn.com> wrote: > >> >> On Apr 15, 11:40 pm, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> wrote: > >> >> > ...and take good care of your health in general. > >> >> > >> >> I'm glad they were able to diagnose and take care of you so quickly, > >> >> Alan. Looking forward to batting the ball around again with you > >> >> sometime. Canadian National Anthem, anyone? > >> > > >> > Well, since I've been told that I can't play any contact sports until > >> > I'm off the Warfarin (yes, rat poison), spring hockey is definitely out. > >> > >> You know, of course, that as long as you're taking it you should have > >> periodic blood tests to make sure you aren't taking too much... > > > > Yup. > > > > The drill for the moment is that for the next 5 - 7 days, every morning > > I go in for a shot of heparin (to think my blood until the Warfarin > > starts to act) and right before that shot, a blood test to see how the > > Warfarin affecting my system. Then in the afternoon, I get a call > > telling me how much Warfarin to take that evening. > > > > After the initial period, the heparin gets stopped, but the blood tests > > keep on every 2 or 3 days for the first little while, and then basically > > once a week for the duration of the treatment (3 to 6 months). > > > > So, yeah.. ..the docs have it well covered. > > > > But thanks for the info, in any case. :-) > > If my MIL had understood how coumadin worked (not senile, just forgetful > and medically unsophisticated), had the visiting nurse reported that my > MIL sent her away without drawing blood, had the doctor been alert > enough to wonder why he hadn't gotten any test results, and had we known > she was taking coumadin, she might still be alive. > > I figured you knew about it, but others might not. I'm all for passing around good information, believe me... |
| 17 Apr 2008 09:08:31 |
| BrritSki |
| Re: OT: Take aspirin when you fly... |
The Real Bev wrote: > Alan Baker wrote: > >> Sven Golly <sven_medelsvensson@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote: >>> > take aspirin (one said for up to a week beforehand) just because of >>> > this >>> Thanks for the tip Alan! I have a few long flights coming up and will >>> definitely be giving the aspirin a shot. I read a few research papers & >>> briefs on it. The jury is out -- some docs say yes, others say it's no >>> help. But, IMHO, it couldn't hurt and it's easy to do. >> >> Well, given that I've now got strict instructions about not using >> aspirin while I'm on the anti-coagulants, I'm thinking that there must >> be something to it. >> >> Another thing you could probably do is to avoid foods rich in Vitamin >> K (so named from the german word "Koagulation" and such as spinach, >> broccoli, Well, you learn something new every day - I always thought that was potassium... |
| 17 Apr 2008 07:53:34 |
| Alan Baker |
| Re: OT: Take aspirin when you fly... |
In article <vern93-A6F06E.11131516042008@aclermont-ferrand-256-1-26-64.w90-0.abo.wa nadoo.fr >, Dave Cartman <vern93@gmail.com > wrote: > In article > <alangbaker-2E990E.23402115042008@[74.223.185.199.nw.nuvox.net]>, > Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote: > > > > So take care of all yourselves (yes, even all of you with whom I've been > > known to bicker <g>) and when you're gonna fly for more than a couple of > > hours, consider taking aspirin for a while beforehand. > > Holy smokes Alan! I'm glad you're okay!!! That is very scary. Yeah... The thing is that by the time I new how scary it was, the time to have been scared had already come and gone. But thanks. -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia "If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you sit in the bottom of that cupboard." |
| 17 Apr 2008 07:54:46 |
| Alan Baker |
| Re: OT: Take aspirin when you fly... |
In article <66obbeF2lachvU1@mid.individual.net >, BrritSki <BrritSki@iname.com > wrote: > The Real Bev wrote: > > Alan Baker wrote: > > > >> Sven Golly <sven_medelsvensson@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >>> Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote: > >>> > take aspirin (one said for up to a week beforehand) just because of > >>> > this > >>> Thanks for the tip Alan! I have a few long flights coming up and will > >>> definitely be giving the aspirin a shot. I read a few research papers & > >>> briefs on it. The jury is out -- some docs say yes, others say it's no > >>> help. But, IMHO, it couldn't hurt and it's easy to do. > >> > >> Well, given that I've now got strict instructions about not using > >> aspirin while I'm on the anti-coagulants, I'm thinking that there must > >> be something to it. > >> > >> Another thing you could probably do is to avoid foods rich in Vitamin > >> K (so named from the german word "Koagulation" and such as spinach, > >> broccoli, > > Well, you learn something new every day - I always thought that was > potassium... Hey... ...can't there be two words in German that start with K? :-) -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia "If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you sit in the bottom of that cupboard." |
| 17 Apr 2008 03:05:22 |
| Tim Smith |
| Re: OT: Take aspirin when you fly... |
In article <alangbaker-2E990E.23402115042008@[74.223.185.199.nw.nuvox.net] >, Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net > wrote: > But what is probably of use to everyone to know, is that when I started > talking about this with the various nurses assigned to my care while I > enjoyed my hospital stay, all of them said that whenever they fly, they > take aspirin (one said for up to a week beforehand) just because of this > possibility. When the people at the practical end of medicine are in > that much agreement, I'm listening. > > So take care of all yourselves (yes, even all of you with whom I've been > known to bicker <g>) and when you're gonna fly for more than a couple of > hours, consider taking aspirin for a while beforehand. Is that full strength, or a low dosage? I ask because many people (such as those with high blood pressure, high bad cholesterol, diabetes, smokers, and people with various other risk factors for stoke or heart attack) take, on the advice of their doctors, a daily aspirin of around 80 mg (e.g., a children's aspirin). Before flying, should they be going to full strength, or is their daily low dose good enough for their flying? -- --Tim Smith |
| 17 Apr 2008 04:25:49 |
| -hh |
| Re: OT: Take aspirin when you fly... |
Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net > wrote: > > I gave myself and all my friends and family a good scare over the last > couple of days. Glad to hear that it was successfully diagnosed, being treated and that you're doing better, Alan. > But what is probably of use to everyone to know, is that when I started > talking about this with the various nurses assigned to my care while I > enjoyed my hospital stay, all of them said that whenever they fly, they > take aspirin (one said for up to a week beforehand) just because of this > possibility. When the people at the practical end of medicine are in > that much agreement, I'm listening. The approach make sense, as Aspirin is a blood thinner. FWIW, I will sometimes prophylactically take an OTA long lasting anti- inflammatory (Aleve) if my trip involves hauling heavy checked baggage (scuba gear in my case, but probably would also apply to golf bags or skis). > So take care of all yourselves (yes, even all of you with whom I've been > known to bicker <g>) and when you're gonna fly for more than a couple of > hours, consider taking aspirin for a while beforehand. Will do; thanks. -hh |
| 17 Apr 2008 05:51:27 |
| Howard Brazee |
| Re: OT: Take aspirin when you fly... |
On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 13:46:30 -0400, VtSkier <VtSkier@nospam.net > wrote: >This is a silly statement: >"A review of 67 studies found 'no convincing evidence' that >antioxidant supplements cut the risk of dying." > >You'd think that the Brits would get the language right. > >Of course the supplements won't cut the risk of dying. >That's one of the inevitabilities of life. What we'd like >is a magic bullet that makes it happen later rather >than sooner. Without those supplements, my risk of dying is pretty close to 1:1. |
| 17 Apr 2008 08:39:36 |
| VtSkier |
| Re: OT: Take aspirin when you fly... |
Howard Brazee wrote: > On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 13:46:30 -0400, VtSkier <VtSkier@nospam.net> > wrote: > >> This is a silly statement: >> "A review of 67 studies found 'no convincing evidence' that >> antioxidant supplements cut the risk of dying." >> >> You'd think that the Brits would get the language right. >> >> Of course the supplements won't cut the risk of dying. >> That's one of the inevitabilities of life. What we'd like >> is a magic bullet that makes it happen later rather >> than sooner. > > Without those supplements, my risk of dying is pretty close to 1:1. And with them too, no doubt. |
| 17 Apr 2008 08:14:57 |
| pigo |
| Re: OT: Take aspirin when you fly... |
I take Ibuprofen constantly. Especially during long plane flights. It is amazing how much it hurts to walk around but then when I sit for long periods it hurts even more! Usually about 4-5 hours in I get up and make laps around the cabin, stand in the back and chat, then I feel better. I've quit flying out of Atlanta too. Long flight to get there! Then another twice as long to get where we are going. Last time we drove to Vegas and partied at MGM for a night then got a nonstop flight to London. That was sweet! Afternoon departure, 1/2 full 747, 9 hours total. This year we are going out of Minneapolis, a couple of hours flight then only 81/2 hrs over. But I'm taking a little dog with me! I better take lots of pills for both of us!!!!!! I've got a valume (sp?) script for muscle spasms, that should do it!!!! |
| 17 Apr 2008 15:49:17 |
| Alan Baker |
| Re: OT: Take aspirin when you fly... |
In article <reply_in_group-2D83B9.03052217042008@news.supernews.com >, Tim Smith <reply_in_group@mouse-potato.com > wrote: > In article > <alangbaker-2E990E.23402115042008@[74.223.185.199.nw.nuvox.net]>, > Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote: > > But what is probably of use to everyone to know, is that when I started > > talking about this with the various nurses assigned to my care while I > > enjoyed my hospital stay, all of them said that whenever they fly, they > > take aspirin (one said for up to a week beforehand) just because of this > > possibility. When the people at the practical end of medicine are in > > that much agreement, I'm listening. > > > > So take care of all yourselves (yes, even all of you with whom I've been > > known to bicker <g>) and when you're gonna fly for more than a couple of > > hours, consider taking aspirin for a while beforehand. > > Is that full strength, or a low dosage? I didn't ask... I heard the same basic thing said three or four times, but I never got the specifics. > > I ask because many people (such as those with high blood pressure, high > bad cholesterol, diabetes, smokers, and people with various other risk > factors for stoke or heart attack) take, on the advice of their doctors, > a daily aspirin of around 80 mg (e.g., a children's aspirin). Before > flying, should they be going to full strength, or is their daily low > dose good enough for their flying? -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia "If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you sit in the bottom of that cupboard." |
| 17 Apr 2008 15:52:11 |
| Alan Baker |
| Re: OT: Take aspirin when you fly... |
In article <68493fe4-f137-4255-b446-c5c6afb73195@e67g2000hsa.googlegroups.com >, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com > wrote: > Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> wrote: > > > > I gave myself and all my friends and family a good scare over the last > > couple of days. > > Glad to hear that it was successfully diagnosed, being treated and > that you're doing better, Alan. Yup. It took a little longer for the diagnosis than you'd want in a perfect world, but I give major points to one of the doctors at UBC. He did a bunch of tests on Sunday, actually sent me home without any idea what was going on, and then decided he should call me back in for more tests. It takes character to admit you might have been less thorough than you needed to be and to correct it. And thanks for thoughts. > > > But what is probably of use to everyone to know, is that when I started > > talking about this with the various nurses assigned to my care while I > > enjoyed my hospital stay, all of them said that whenever they fly, they > > take aspirin (one said for up to a week beforehand) just because of this > > possibility. When the people at the practical end of medicine are in > > that much agreement, I'm listening. > > The approach make sense, as Aspirin is a blood thinner. > > FWIW, I will sometimes prophylactically take an OTA long lasting anti- > inflammatory (Aleve) if my trip involves hauling heavy checked baggage > (scuba gear in my case, but probably would also apply to golf bags or > skis). > > > > So take care of all yourselves (yes, even all of you with whom I've been > > known to bicker <g>) and when you're gonna fly for more than a couple of > > hours, consider taking aspirin for a while beforehand. > > Will do; thanks. > > > -hh -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia "If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you sit in the bottom of that cupboard." |
| 22 Apr 2008 21:09:57 |
| ant |
| Re: OT: Take aspirin when you fly... |
pigo wrote: > This year we are going out of Minneapolis, a couple of hours flight > then only 81/2 hrs over. But I'm taking a little dog with me! I better > take lots of pills for both of us!!!!!! I've got a valume (sp?) script > for muscle spasms, that should do it!!!! Don't give the dog ibuprofen, it poisons them. Aspirin is OK, but check the mcg per kilo of dogweight for the right doseage. My dog took 1/17th of a 350 mcg tablet. -- ant Don't try to email me! I'm using the latest spammer/scammer's email addy. |
| 22 Apr 2008 07:34:19 |
| pigo |
| Re: OT: Take aspirin when you fly... |
On Apr 22, 5:09=A0am, "ant" <eventmanager_verificationsd...@yahoo.co.uk > wrote: > pigo wrote: > > This year we are going out of Minneapolis, a couple of hours flight > > then only 81/2 hrs over. But I'm taking a little dog with me! I better > > take lots of pills for both of us!!!!!! I've got a valume (sp?) script > > for muscle spasms, that should do it!!!! > > Don't give the dog ibuprofen, it poisons them. Aspirin is OK, but check th= e > mcg per kilo of dogweight for the right doseage. =A0My dog took 1/17th of = a > 350 mcg tablet. > > -- > ant > Don't try to email me! > I'm using the latest spammer/scammer's > email addy. There is a pretty extensive procedure through my vet and USDA. Vaccinations and health certs. As part of that process I am going to get some specific doggy tranq. and dosage. I will probably get some in advance and test it on him to make sure he tolerates it well. We're flying to PHX soon. I might test it out then. I know about IBU. I take it regularly and have to be very careful about dropping some. He'll snag it up in a hurry as he does with anything that hits the floor. Lucky for him that eddie has become soooooooo slow! |
| 22 Apr 2008 14:46:07 |
| JJVP |
| Re: OT: Take aspirin when you fly... |
On Apr 16, 1:40 am, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net > wrote: > ...and take good care of your health in general. > > I gave myself and all my friends and family a good scare over the last > couple of days. > > The good doctors at UBC Hospital Urgent Care finally diagnosed why I was > getting out of breath with exertion; progressing from feeling a little > tired after climbing the two stories to my place to gasping for air just > from walking briskly up a gentle incline for 30 yards. > > I have a pulmonary embolism (i.e. blood clot/s in my lungs). The docs > think that a flight from Vancouver to Toronto that was schedule to take > 4.5 hours but which turned into near 8.5 hour trial with a diversion to > Calgary for a medical emergency (and then a whole series of SNAFUs > getting us on our way) was the likely cause for me to have first > developed a deep vein thrombosis and then for it to have broken off, > broken up, and then stuck in my lungs. And as my lungs got blocked up, > my blood oxygenation went down and I could do less and less. > > This finally led on Sunday and Monday to the tests that had me in a > hospital bed, hooked to an IV, on oxygen and transferred to Vancouver > General Hospital for a specialist to assess; from where I was discharged > today with instructions to return each day for injections of heparin and > further blood test until the oral anti-coagulants I've been prescribed > are starting to act in my system and they've established what will be > the correct dose for me. > > But what is probably of use to everyone to know, is that when I started > talking about this with the various nurses assigned to my care while I > enjoyed my hospital stay, all of them said that whenever they fly, they > take aspirin (one said for up to a week beforehand) just because of this > possibility. When the people at the practical end of medicine are in > that much agreement, I'm listening. > > So take care of all yourselves (yes, even all of you with whom I've been > known to bicker <g>) and when you're gonna fly for more than a couple of > hours, consider taking aspirin for a while beforehand. > > -- > Alan Baker > Vancouver, British Columbia > "If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall > to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you > sit in the bottom of that cupboard." I've been taking low dose aspiring (81 mg) every day for years. Also helps for hearth attacks. |
| 22 Apr 2008 18:14:13 |
| MoiMoi |
| Re: OT: Take aspirin when you fly... |
In article <dc8a157f-93d7-42ab-99f2- 07ceb9c23abd@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com >, jjvp10@gmail.com says... > I've been taking low dose aspiring (81 mg) every day for years. Also > helps for hearth attacks. Prevents Santa from comin down the chimney? MM |
| 22 Apr 2008 17:10:52 |
| Howard Brazee |
| Re: OT: Take aspirin when you fly... |
On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 14:46:07 -0700 (PDT), JJVP <jjvp10@gmail.com > wrote: >I've been taking low dose aspiring (81 mg) every day for years. Also >helps for hearth attacks. Trouble is, I keep bleeding easily nowadays. |
| 22 Apr 2008 19:21:30 |
| Harry Weiner |
| Re: OT: Take aspirin when you fly... |
On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:10:52 -0600, Howard Brazee <howard@brazee.net > wrote this crap: >>I've been taking low dose aspiring (81 mg) every day for years. Also >>helps for hearth attacks. > >Trouble is, I keep bleeding easily nowadays. I didn't know that you were a female. Horvath@Horvath.net My T-shirt says, "This shirt is the ultimate power in the universe." |
| 22 Apr 2008 19:20:18 |
| The Real Bev |
| Re: OT: Take aspirin w |