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| 04 May 2008 22:34:46 |
| John Black |
| Object ball curve -- a footnote |
I'm not trying to reopen this discussion but while reading Play Your Best Straight Pool by Phil Capelle, I came across a section called "Curve the Object Ball Shot". Since there was no way I could read that entire RSB discussion, I don't know if Bambu realized he had Phil Capelle on his side -- I doubt he knew because if he did, I probably would have heard him mention in it at least one of the posts I read. Capelle diagrams this shot: http://CueTable.com/P/?@ 3BJMC3GAWD4PHXy3bAWD3bBtH3bDAK3bFUP3bGSR3bHAS3bInU3bJlU3bYff4kHXy4kGRw4k Fkv4kEut4kEFs4kDgs4kCat4kCJu@ Here is the text exactly: "The 2-ball is blocking just enough of the pocket so that the 7-ball can't be made, at least my means of a conventional shot. You can pocket the 7-ball by jacking up slightly and using left English with a sharp stroke. You can aim almost directly at the 7-ball. The cue ball will deflect to the right and then curve back to the left. The spinning cue ball will throw the 7-ball to the right. It will also put enough right spin on the 7-ball to enable it to curve around the 2-ball on its way to the pocket. Note: don't play this shot without first mastering it in practice." -- pg 337 John Black ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com** |
| 05 May 2008 10:44:07 |
| Ron Shepard |
| Re: Object ball curve -- a footnote |
In article <MPG.22883c5019065601989a49@free.teranews.com >, John Black <jblack@texas.net > wrote: > I'm not trying to reopen this discussion but while reading Play Your > Best Straight Pool by Phil Capelle, I came across a section called > "Curve the Object Ball Shot". Since there was no way I could read that > entire RSB discussion, I don't know if Bambu realized he had Phil > Capelle on his side -- I doubt he knew because if he did, I probably > would have heard him mention in it at least one of the posts I read. I don't think this reference came up in those threads. Just goes to show that even the experts make mistakes and get things wrong. BTW, did anyone ever try the wax paper thing to actually look at object ball paths? $.02 -Ron Shepard |
| 05 May 2008 10:42:34 |
| Bob Keller |
| Re: Object ball curve -- a footnote |
"John Black" <jblack@texas.net > wrote in message news:MPG.22883c5019065601989a49@free.teranews.com... > I'm not trying to reopen this discussion but while reading Play Your > Best Straight Pool by Phil Capelle, I came across a section called > "Curve the Object Ball Shot". Since there was no way I could read that > entire RSB discussion, I don't know if Bambu realized he had Phil > Capelle on his side -- I doubt he knew because if he did, I probably > would have heard him mention in it at least one of the posts I read. > > Capelle diagrams this shot: > > http://CueTable.com/P/?@ > 3BJMC3GAWD4PHXy3bAWD3bBtH3bDAK3bFUP3bGSR3bHAS3bInU3bJlU3bYff4kHXy4kGRw4k > Fkv4kEut4kEFs4kDgs4kCat4kCJu@ > > Here is the text exactly: > > "The 2-ball is blocking just enough of the pocket so that the 7-ball > can't be made, at least my means of a conventional shot. You can pocket > the 7-ball by jacking up slightly and using left English with a sharp > stroke. You can aim almost directly at the 7-ball. The cue ball will > deflect to the right and then curve back to the left. The spinning cue > ball will throw the 7-ball to the right. It will also put enough right > spin on the 7-ball to enable it to curve around the 2-ball on its way to > the pocket. Note: don't play this shot without first mastering it in > practice." -- pg 337 > > John Black > ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com** Phis is most certainly wrong here. Left english on the CB puts right on the OB, which, when struck softly, can help the OB roll into the pocket by hitting deeper on the far facing. That's all there is to it. Bob Keller |
| 05 May 2008 12:15:42 |
| John Black |
| Re: Object ball curve -- a footnote |
In article <ron-shepard-785CDF.10440705052008@comcast.dca.giganews.com >, ron-shepard@NOSPAM.comcast.net says... > In article <MPG.22883c5019065601989a49@free.teranews.com>, > John Black <jblack@texas.net> wrote: > > > I'm not trying to reopen this discussion but while reading Play Your > > Best Straight Pool by Phil Capelle, I came across a section called > > "Curve the Object Ball Shot". Since there was no way I could read that > > entire RSB discussion, I don't know if Bambu realized he had Phil > > Capelle on his side -- I doubt he knew because if he did, I probably > > would have heard him mention in it at least one of the posts I read. > > I don't think this reference came up in those threads. Just goes to > show that even the experts make mistakes and get things wrong. > > BTW, did anyone ever try the wax paper thing to actually look at > object ball paths? Capelle has a footnote to that section which says, "The curve can be demostrated with wax paper". John Black ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com** |
| 05 May 2008 11:57:16 |
| Bob Keller |
| Re: Object ball curve -- a footnote |
And to bring it back to where the discussion started - Phil says on page 346 that a frozen rail shot that is two diamonds or more from the pocket has little chance of going with outside english. I, as well as anyone, now know how wrong that is. Bob Keller "John Black" <jblack@texas.net > wrote in message news:MPG.22883c5019065601989a49@free.teranews.com... > I'm not trying to reopen this discussion but while reading Play Your > Best Straight Pool by Phil Capelle, I came across a section called > "Curve the Object Ball Shot". Since there was no way I could read that > entire RSB discussion, I don't know if Bambu realized he had Phil > Capelle on his side -- I doubt he knew because if he did, I probably > would have heard him mention in it at least one of the posts I read. > > Capelle diagrams this shot: > > http://CueTable.com/P/?@ > 3BJMC3GAWD4PHXy3bAWD3bBtH3bDAK3bFUP3bGSR3bHAS3bInU3bJlU3bYff4kHXy4kGRw4k > Fkv4kEut4kEFs4kDgs4kCat4kCJu@ > > Here is the text exactly: > > "The 2-ball is blocking just enough of the pocket so that the 7-ball > can't be made, at least my means of a conventional shot. You can pocket > the 7-ball by jacking up slightly and using left English with a sharp > stroke. You can aim almost directly at the 7-ball. The cue ball will > deflect to the right and then curve back to the left. The spinning cue > ball will throw the 7-ball to the right. It will also put enough right > spin on the 7-ball to enable it to curve around the 2-ball on its way to > the pocket. Note: don't play this shot without first mastering it in > practice." -- pg 337 > > John Black > ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com** |
| 05 May 2008 15:21:42 |
| John Black |
| Re: Object ball curve -- a footnote |
In article <NomdnYXqZuse14LVnZ2dnUVZ_gmdnZ2d@comcast.com >, rjk1962 @comcast.net says... > And to bring it back to where the discussion started - > Phil says on page 346 that a frozen rail shot that is two diamonds or more > from the pocket has little chance of going with outside english. I, as well > as anyone, now know how wrong that is. I noticed that one too and thought of you. Since both of those shots should come up very infrequently in straight pool, one can be wrong about those issues and still be a very good player as I'm sure he is. John Black ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com** |
| 05 May 2008 19:32:29 |
| tdodge |
| Re: Object ball curve -- a footnote |
I only followed the discussion with mild interest, tried the diagrammed shot (s), and only thought I was showing throw...howsumever.. on one of the ESPN trick shot shows, Tom Rossman did a shot that had extreme ob curve. I have no idea how he did it. The cb went into a "tent" made of large playing cards. When the ob came out, it went straight for about a foot or 2, then curved greatly. Haven't the faintest clue on how this was accomplished. It was so severe, it probably wasn't related to spin transfer, though. |
| 05 May 2008 23:50:50 |
| Dan White |
| Re: Object ball curve -- a footnote |
"John Black" <jblack@texas.net > wrote in message news:MPG.2288fcba9c7a03d1989a4c@free.teranews.com... > In article <ron-shepard-785CDF.10440705052008@comcast.dca.giganews.com>, > ron-shepard@NOSPAM.comcast.net says... > > In article <MPG.22883c5019065601989a49@free.teranews.com>, > > John Black <jblack@texas.net> wrote: > > > > > I'm not trying to reopen this discussion but while reading Play Your > > > Best Straight Pool by Phil Capelle, I came across a section called > > > "Curve the Object Ball Shot". Since there was no way I could read that > > > entire RSB discussion, I don't know if Bambu realized he had Phil > > > Capelle on his side -- I doubt he knew because if he did, I probably > > > would have heard him mention in it at least one of the posts I read. > > > > I don't think this reference came up in those threads. Just goes to > > show that even the experts make mistakes and get things wrong. > > > > BTW, did anyone ever try the wax paper thing to actually look at > > object ball paths? > > Capelle has a footnote to that section which says, "The curve can be > demostrated with wax paper". > LOL. Too funny! I haven't read that book in a long time, but I seem to remember Capelle writing in the forward that the information in the book is knowledge that he accumulated from various pro players, and represented the conventional wisdom on any particular subject. Maybe this is one of those things he heard about but never really tried. dwhite |
| 06 May 2008 09:07:25 |
| JakartaDean |
| Re: Object ball curve -- a footnote |
Bob Keller wrote: > And to bring it back to where the discussion started - > Phil says on page 346 that a frozen rail shot that is two diamonds or more > from the pocket has little chance of going with outside english. I, as well > as anyone, now know how wrong that is. > > Bob Keller I think what he meant was: "...a frozen rail shot that is two diamonds or more from the pocket has little chance of going with outside english *If Dean is shooting it*" Dean <-- hates that shot |