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| 01 May 2008 21:29:05 |
| Bob Keller |
| SVB in CO |
Guess who is playing in our local big-table weekly 9-ball tournament tonight? Only the reigning US Open Champ SVB! He's here for the Colorado bar table 9-ball championship this weekend - he's the defending champ. Remember, it was only one year ago when he was relatively unknown and still considered to be a mere mortal. ;-) Unfortunately I couldn't play, but before I left I got to see Shane make this out: he jumped the edge of the 9-ball with his full length playing cue, sending the CB 2 rails for perfect position and then deposited the 9-ball combo center pocket. Sigh............. The guy is smooth, smooth, smooth. It doesn't matter what angle or distance of any shoot, he just hits it smooth! http://CueTable.com/P/?@4BWYi1CRRC4DRxl3EErF2GYtG2HGCX1IWAU1PXpT1kXpT4kWIR3kMvi3kakn4kHUB@ Bob Keller |
| 05 May 2008 08:25:32 |
| Alex Kanapilly |
| Re: SVB in CO |
Bob got to play Shane in the $1500 added bar box event on Saturday. He came out of the gate strong, running two racks in a row and getting out ahead 3-1. He was tied 4-4 when I decided to go have a closer look (I was watching my friends Chris O and Chisolm play Chris Bartrum and Jason Kirkwood. Chris O beat Chris B 11-10 and Chisolm lost to Kirkwood 11-9), I think I jinxed Bob. Shane played very very strong and beaat Bob 11-6 I believe. The ease with which Shane runs 9 ball racks on a bar table is scary. He put 9 in a row on Haddad. Bartrum and Kirkwood ended up splitting the tournament. I decided to give them all a break and have carpet installed at my house instead. Actually, I forgot about the turnament. What a schmuck! |
| 05 May 2008 10:36:33 |
| Bob Keller |
| Re: SVB in CO |
"Alex Kanapilly" <alexk@redrobin.com > wrote in message news:13001226-43f1-49ef-b54a-60c5a5648fb7@56g2000hsm.googlegroups.com... > Bob got to play Shane in the $1500 added bar box event on Saturday. He > came out of the gate strong, running two racks in a row and getting > out ahead 3-1. He was tied 4-4 when I decided to go have a closer look > (I was watching my friends Chris O and Chisolm play Chris Bartrum and > Jason Kirkwood. Chris O beat Chris B 11-10 and Chisolm lost to > Kirkwood 11-9), I think I jinxed Bob. Shane played very very strong > and beaat Bob 11-6 I believe. The ease with which Shane runs 9 ball > racks on a bar table is scary. He put 9 in a row on Haddad. Bartrum > and Kirkwood ended up splitting the tournament. > > I decided to give them all a break and have carpet installed at my > house instead. Actually, I forgot about the turnament. What a schmuck! Bar table 9-ball is SO brutal! I lost to Chris Bartram 11-3 - couldn't stop his break. He was making the wing ball (or something(s) else) every break. When he was at about 8 I even asked him for advice. I told him I was racking it high and low and in between and what could a player do? He said - "nothing". When a good player gets to breaking well on the bar table they are just going to string racks and there's nothing you can do. When my match was still close with Shane I won a game, broke and scratched, and the 1-9 was lined up for the side pocket so easy my grandmother could have made it with her eyes closed (and she's dead!). Shane was already standing at the table so I looked at him and deadpanned, "You're not going to shoot that, are you?" So that was good for a chuckle. Thanks for jinxing me, Alex! If it wasn't for that I'm SURE I would have beat him! ;-) Bob Keller |
| 05 May 2008 10:50:32 |
| Bob Keller |
| Re: SVB in CO |
Oh, and concerning bar table pool, I can't resist inserting this: One of my matches went hill-hill with a player who has virtually no chance against me on a 9-foot table. The difference was that the strength of his break is greatly magnified by the bar table, and his mediocre position play is satisfactory on the bar table. So the bar table, especially for a game like 9-ball, is a TREMENDOUS equalizer. Bob Keller <---Master at stating the obvious |
| 05 May 2008 10:56:29 |
| Bob Keller |
| Re: SVB in CO |
Here's the AZ story. http://www.azbilliards.com/2000storya.cfm?storynum=5202 |
| 05 May 2008 12:11:11 |
| John Black |
| Re: SVB in CO |
In article <zqqdndxa8_JCp4LVnZ2dnUVZ_gidnZ2d@comcast.com >, rjk1962 @comcast.net says... > > Oh, and concerning bar table pool, I can't resist inserting this: One of my > matches went hill-hill with a player who has virtually no chance against me > on a 9-foot table. The difference was that the strength of his break is > greatly magnified by the bar table, and his mediocre position play is > satisfactory on the bar table. So the bar table, especially for a game like > 9-ball, is a TREMENDOUS equalizer. Do you guys mean 7-foot or 8-foot when you say "bar table"? I didn't think 7-footers were used by serious players. John Black ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com** |
| 05 May 2008 10:47:46 |
| Alex Kanapilly |
| Re: SVB in CO |
> Do you guys mean 7-foot or 8-foot when you say "bar table"? =A0I didn't > think 7-footers were used by serious players. > > John Black > ** Posted fromhttp://www.teranews.com** 7'. All the major leagues that I know of play on 7' bar tables. The BCA at least plays on 7' diamond tables which play like "little big tables". The valley tables play so easy it's pretty silly to play 9 ball on them really. |
| 05 May 2008 10:51:08 |
| Alex Kanapilly |
| Re: SVB in CO |
> Thanks for jinxing me, Alex! =A0If it wasn't for that I'm SURE I would hav= e > beat him! ;-) > > Bob Keller As you know, I left when it turned bad but I think the damage was done by then. |
| 05 May 2008 12:03:32 |
| Bob Keller |
| Re: SVB in CO |
"Alex Kanapilly" <alexk@redrobin.com > wrote in message news:953de756-37ef-42ed-8fec-09a9c28b41e3@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com... >> Thanks for jinxing me, Alex! If it wasn't for that I'm SURE I would have >> beat him! ;-) >> >> Bob Keller > >As you know, I left when it turned bad but I think the damage was done >by then. Oh, and here's a public and hearty CONGRATULATIONS to our good friend Chris Onesky! Chris has been playing really, really well the last few weeks - he's definitely ready for Vegas. Chris took third place behind the road crew and ahead of Shane and other strong locals. His win over Chris Bartram on Saturday was thrilling, and a testament to Chris' skills and tenacity. Way to go, Chris! Bob Keller |
| 06 May 2008 09:01:26 |
| JakartaDean |
| Re: SVB in CO |
John Black wrote: > I didn't think 7-footers were used by serious players. > They're not. Dean <-- snob |
| 05 May 2008 21:54:10 |
| Ed McCune |
| Re: SVB in CO |
No argument there. Bar tables are not the correct equipment for 9 ball. Even a schmuck like me can do well. There are few long tester shots and position...well...you don't have to worry to much about that. It's 8 ball that a few of us have thought a bit easier on a nine footer. Ed Bob Keller wrote: > Oh, and concerning bar table pool, I can't resist inserting this: One of my > matches went hill-hill with a player who has virtually no chance against me > on a 9-foot table. The difference was that the strength of his break is > greatly magnified by the bar table, and his mediocre position play is > satisfactory on the bar table. So the bar table, especially for a game like > 9-ball, is a TREMENDOUS equalizer. > > Bob Keller <---Master at stating the obvious > > -- mccune@standardab.ca |
| 05 May 2008 23:21:19 |
| Bob Keller |
| Re: SVB in CO |
As the Dude once said, "Yeah, well, that's just, like, you're opinion, man." :-) Take this for example: http://CueTable.com/P/?@3AMNw3BUrC4CUMh4DEQl4ELQL2FNIs1GKBN3HYJY2PBSS@ you've just run the stripes and this is the best position you can manage. On a bar table - the game is over. On a 9-foot, it is not nearly so certain, especially if the pockets are at all tight. I know there is the cluster issue on the bar table, but they also allow a profusion of carom shots and angles that are just very, very low percentage on a 9-footer. There is a plethora of jamb-up, run-out 8-ball players on the bar table, and not nearly so many on the big table. And most of those jamp-up bar table players can't do the same on the big table. What more evidence do you need? Bob Keller "Ed McCune" <mccune@telusplanet.net > wrote in message news:fvoknv$rtl$1@registered.motzarella.org... > No argument there. Bar tables are not the correct equipment for 9 ball. > Even a schmuck like me can do well. There are few long tester shots and > position...well...you don't have to worry to much about that. It's 8 ball > that a few of us have thought a bit easier on a nine footer. > > Ed > > Bob Keller wrote: >> Oh, and concerning bar table pool, I can't resist inserting this: One of >> my matches went hill-hill with a player who has virtually no chance >> against me on a 9-foot table. The difference was that the strength of >> his break is greatly magnified by the bar table, and his mediocre >> position play is satisfactory on the bar table. So the bar table, >> especially for a game like 9-ball, is a TREMENDOUS equalizer. >> >> Bob Keller <---Master at stating the obvious >> >> > > -- > mccune@standardab.ca |
| 06 May 2008 09:17:23 |
| Pat Hall |
| Re: SVB in CO |
So if the bar box is the big equalizer and moves the poorer player up to your level. Wouldn't the bar table move you up to SVB's level? <G > I agree 9-ball is easier on the bar box but each size table presents it's own difficulties. Playing on your typical bar box with an inch of beer floating on the top with ripped cloth and heavy cue balls and people walking into you while they are dancing and and and .... well you know what a "REAL" bar box plays like, now that is a different story than playing on a nice clean 7' table with Simonis cloth that is vacuumed each day and maintained well. PatH...thinks there is a difference between "bar box" and 7' tables Bob Keller wrote: > Oh, and concerning bar table pool, I can't resist inserting this: One of my > matches went hill-hill with a player who has virtually no chance against me > on a 9-foot table. The difference was that the strength of his break is > greatly magnified by the bar table, and his mediocre position play is > satisfactory on the bar table. So the bar table, especially for a game like > 9-ball, is a TREMENDOUS equalizer. > > Bob Keller <---Master at stating the obvious > > |
| 06 May 2008 08:30:21 |
| Bob Keller |
| Re: SVB in CO |
"Pat Hall" <phall@notsospam.certcoinc.com > wrote in message news:yeOdnd-BQJcj-r3VnZ2dnUVZ_o6knZ2d@supranetcommunications... > So if the bar box is the big equalizer Yes. > and moves the poorer player up to your level. No. > Wouldn't the bar table move you up to SVB's level? Shane was knocked to the loser's side by a far inferior player, who got hot and was able to slop some shots in only because the bar table made that possible. It doesn't make the poorer player better, it only minimizes the penalties for their mistakes, and minimizes the better player's advantage. Agreed, well maintained bar tables are a different story. And a good Diamond 7-foot is another step above that. Bob Keller |
| 06 May 2008 16:30:33 |
| Alex Kanapilly |
| Re: SVB in CO |
On May 6, 8:30=A0am, "Bob Keller" <rjk1...@comcast.net > wrote: > "Pat Hall" <ph...@notsospam.certcoinc.com> wrote in message > > news:yeOdnd-BQJcj-r3VnZ2dnUVZ_o6knZ2d@supranetcommunications... > > > So if the bar box is the big equalizer > > Yes. > > > and moves the poorer player up to your level. > > No. > > > =A0Wouldn't the bar table move you up to SVB's level? > > Shane was knocked to the loser's side by a far inferior player, who got ho= t > and was able to slop some shots in only because the bar table made that > possible. =A0It doesn't make the poorer player better, it only minimizes t= he > penalties for their mistakes, and minimizes the better player's advantage.= > > Agreed, well maintained bar tables are a different story. =A0And a good > Diamond 7-foot is another step above that. > > Bob Keller Bob is a well known pool snob. lol. You know your teammate Robert will disagree with you on this. |
| 06 May 2008 18:08:46 |
| Bob Keller |
| Re: SVB in CO |
"Alex Kanapilly" <alexk@redrobin.com > wrote in message news:b788f0f2-541c-46e7-b1d5-be310b83361a@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com... > >Bob is a well known pool snob. lol. > >You know your teammate Robert will disagree with you on this. Of course, but since Robert hasn't been posting lately I'm feeling free to let me inner snob run wild! (I'll be seeing Robert very soon, though, so I suspect I'll get an earful if he's lurking!) Bob Keller <--- 9 foot table snob, and proud of it ;-) - uppity - haughty - snooty - supercilious - hoity-toity - arrogant - and giddy about leaving for Vegas tomorrow! |
| 06 May 2008 20:16:37 |
| Ed McCune |
| Re: SVB in CO |
Bob Keller wrote: > "Alex Kanapilly" <alexk@redrobin.com> wrote in message > news:b788f0f2-541c-46e7-b1d5-be310b83361a@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com... >> Bob is a well known pool snob. lol. >> >> You know your teammate Robert will disagree with you on this. > > Of course, but since Robert hasn't been posting lately I'm feeling free to > let me inner snob run wild! > (I'll be seeing Robert very soon, though, so I suspect I'll get an earful if > he's lurking!) > > Bob Keller <--- 9 foot table snob, and proud of it ;-) > - uppity > - haughty > - snooty > - supercilious > - hoity-toity > - arrogant > - and giddy about leaving for Vegas tomorrow! > > > I like playing on nine footers but the reason I agree with Robert is...well...to piss you off??? No really it's because small tables...even valleys....frustrate and piss me off sooooo much. A hair off you ball speed or line and the run evaporates. I always feel like I have so much ROOOOM on a nine footer. I suspect my run lengths are greater on the 7 footers...but mainly becuase the deeper into the run you get the more tight it gets so it's easy to run 6 and nothing while on a nine footer I might miss earlier but I think I run out as much or more on the larger table due to actually finishing what I start more often. Really, to me they are 2 different games. I've never played on a diamond but from what I hear they incorporate the clutter of the valleys with the tighter pocketing of the bigger tables creating yet another type of 8 ball. Ed "King of the Six Ball Run" mcCune -- mccune@standardab.ca |