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| 01 May 2008 23:05:39 |
| John Black |
| Skid -- why some good players advocate using outside on most shots |
I finally have an explanation that makes sense for why several good players advocate using a touch outside english whenever possible. George Fels explains it near the end of his book on straight pool. I used to think it is to eliminate or minimize throw but that didn't totally make sense because throw would be factored into a good player's skills. George says right, throw we can and do handle routinely. The problem is "skid" which he defines as a very exaggerated throw that occurs due to an excessively chalky or dirty spot on the cue ball (or object ball). He says when skid happens, the balls cling together for a much longer time -- so much that you can see it and you can hear it and the final path of the object ball is surprisingly thick. I realize I have seen examples after he defined it. Skid doesn't happen too often but when it does, its a run killer. It happens on lower speed shots with center ball or inside english. More with inside english than center ball. It shouldn't happen with outside which is why players try to use outside when possible especially with low speed shots. Fels goes so far as to say in a 14.1 game, you should be wiping the cue ball down at least after every scratch. Even better to wipe it down every rack if your opponent is ok with marking the cueball spot so it can be replaced before the break. He says why not, they do it all the time in golf... John Black ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com** |
| 02 May 2008 13:46:33 |
| lfigueroa |
| Re: Skid -- why some good players advocate using outside on most |
There are certain angle follow shots, where you can almost know the ball might skid. I especially go to the outside english on those. Lou Figueroa has had some good runs killed by skid John Black wrote: > I finally have an explanation that makes sense for why several good > players advocate using a touch outside english whenever possible. > George Fels explains it near the end of his book on straight pool. > > I used to think it is to eliminate or minimize throw but that didn't > totally make sense because throw would be factored into a good player's > skills. George says right, throw we can and do handle routinely. The > problem is "skid" which he defines as a very exaggerated throw that > occurs due to an excessively chalky or dirty spot on the cue ball (or > object ball). He says when skid happens, the balls cling together for a > much longer time -- so much that you can see it and you can hear it and > the final path of the object ball is surprisingly thick. I realize I > have seen examples after he defined it. > > Skid doesn't happen too often but when it does, its a run killer. It > happens on lower speed shots with center ball or inside english. More > with inside english than center ball. It shouldn't happen with outside > which is why players try to use outside when possible especially with > low speed shots. > > Fels goes so far as to say in a 14.1 game, you should be wiping the cue > ball down at least after every scratch. Even better to wipe it down > every rack if your opponent is ok with marking the cueball spot so it > can be replaced before the break. He says why not, they do it all the > time in golf... > > John Black > ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com** |
| 02 May 2008 09:22:30 |
| John Black |
| Re: Skid -- why some good players advocate using outside on most shots |
Interesting. Its never really talked about in standard books and videos on pool or is it? John Black In article <ZWESj.281477$cQ1.54019@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net >, lfigueroa@att.net says... > There are certain angle follow shots, where you can almost know the ball > might skid. I especially go to the outside english on those. > > Lou Figueroa > has had some good runs > killed by skid > > > John Black wrote: > > I finally have an explanation that makes sense for why several good > > players advocate using a touch outside english whenever possible. > > George Fels explains it near the end of his book on straight pool. > > > > I used to think it is to eliminate or minimize throw but that didn't > > totally make sense because throw would be factored into a good player's > > skills. George says right, throw we can and do handle routinely. The > > problem is "skid" which he defines as a very exaggerated throw that > > occurs due to an excessively chalky or dirty spot on the cue ball (or > > object ball). He says when skid happens, the balls cling together for a > > much longer time -- so much that you can see it and you can hear it and > > the final path of the object ball is surprisingly thick. I realize I > > have seen examples after he defined it. > > > > Skid doesn't happen too often but when it does, its a run killer. It > > happens on lower speed shots with center ball or inside english. More > > with inside english than center ball. It shouldn't happen with outside > > which is why players try to use outside when possible especially with > > low speed shots. > > > > Fels goes so far as to say in a 14.1 game, you should be wiping the cue > > ball down at least after every scratch. Even better to wipe it down > > every rack if your opponent is ok with marking the cueball spot so it > > can be replaced before the break. He says why not, they do it all the > > time in golf... > > > > John Black > > ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com** > ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com** |
| 02 May 2008 09:32:57 |
| Ron Shepard |
| Re: Skid -- why some good players advocate using outside on most shots |
In article <MPG.22844f09662fd147989a39@free.teranews.com >, John Black <jblack@texas.net > wrote: > [...] The > problem is "skid" which he defines as a very exaggerated throw that > occurs due to an excessively chalky or dirty spot on the cue ball (or > object ball). He says when skid happens, the balls cling together for a > much longer time -- so much that you can see it and you can hear it and > the final path of the object ball is surprisingly thick. I realize I > have seen examples after he defined it. I agree that skid changes the path and speed of the object ball (and cue ball). You can also recognize when it occurs by noting the large amount of spin on the object ball and/or the cue ball, or by noting the cue ball or object ball jumping up after the collision. However, I doubt that there is any way to see a change in the collision time. A normal ball-ball collision time is about 0.0001 second, too fast to see, and even if it were to increase by a factor of 10 or 100, I still doubt that you could actually see any collision time increase. I also don't see any reason why the collision time should increase, the balls don't suddenly turn into soft rubber or anything, but that is a separate matter. In any case, there is no practical need to hypothesize about collision time changes, all of the effects of skid can be understood simply from the change in friction between the balls. > Skid doesn't happen too often but when it does, its a run killer. It > happens on lower speed shots with center ball or inside english. More > with inside english than center ball. It shouldn't happen with outside > which is why players try to use outside when possible especially with > low speed shots. These things could be true, but I don't see any reason why they should be. If you think that skid is caused by pieces of chalk that get picked up from the tip or from the table over some period of time and, due to random statistics, eventually find themselves between the ball surfaces during a collision, than there would be little or no relation to inside spin or any other spin with the frequency of occurrence of skid. If you think that skid is caused by chalk from the tip being transferred 1/2 ball rotation to the ball-ball collision point on a single individual shot, then maybe there would be a correlation of skid with very particular kinds of spin, but in this case it would be say low-outside sidespin that would increase the changes of it occurring relative to low-inside sidespin, which is the opposite of what Fels (and others) have discussed. In any case, I do not know of any actual study that shows any kind of observed statistical correlation between the type of spin and the frequency of occurrence or the magnitude of skid. This might be a useful study, but until it is done, I'm skeptical of the claim. > Fels goes so far as to say in a 14.1 game, you should be wiping the cue > ball down at least after every scratch. Even better to wipe it down > every rack if your opponent is ok with marking the cueball spot so it > can be replaced before the break. He says why not, they do it all the > time in golf... I often wipe the cue ball between racks in short-rack games (9-ball, one-pocket, and 8-ball) for this reason. Perhaps it is mostly habit, but skids are probably the reason I started in the first place. I've noticed that many other players do this too. When it comes to picking lint off the table or wiping chalk spots off the ball, pool players seem to be borderline OCD. Even if they don't start off that way, they become that way the longer they play. In refereed matches, it is not uncommon to see players ask the referee to clean the cue ball or an object ball during a game. Referees are instructed how to do this consistently in a tournament (usually by marking the position of the ball with a chalk cube or with a pencil). $.02 -Ron Shepard |
| 02 May 2008 13:11:08 |
| John Black |
| Re: Skid -- why some good players advocate using outside on most shots |
In article <ron-shepard-4C9E8B.09325702052008@comcast.dca.giganews.com >, ron-shepard@NOSPAM.comcast.net says... > In article <MPG.22844f09662fd147989a39@free.teranews.com>, > John Black <jblack@texas.net> wrote: > > > [...] The > > problem is "skid" which he defines as a very exaggerated throw that > > occurs due to an excessively chalky or dirty spot on the cue ball (or > > object ball). He says when skid happens, the balls cling together for a > > much longer time -- so much that you can see it and you can hear it and > > the final path of the object ball is surprisingly thick. I realize I > > have seen examples after he defined it. > > I agree that skid changes the path and speed of the object ball (and > cue ball). You can also recognize when it occurs by noting the > large amount of spin on the object ball and/or the cue ball, or by > noting the cue ball or object ball jumping up after the collision. > > However, I doubt that there is any way to see a change in the > collision time. A normal ball-ball collision time is about 0.0001 > second, too fast to see, and even if it were to increase by a factor > of 10 or 100, I still doubt that you could actually see any > collision time increase. You're probably right. I'm guessing what people are "seeing" is a final line that is out of whack with what they expect and it causes them to declare they have "seen" the skid. > > Skid doesn't happen too often but when it does, its a run killer. It > > happens on lower speed shots with center ball or inside english. More > > with inside english than center ball. It shouldn't happen with outside > > which is why players try to use outside when possible especially with > > low speed shots. > > These things could be true, but I don't see any reason why they > should be. If you think that skid is caused by pieces of chalk that > get picked up from the tip or from the table over some period of > time and, due to random statistics, eventually find themselves > between the ball surfaces during a collision, than there would be > little or no relation to inside spin or any other spin with the > frequency of occurrence of skid. Huh? My understanding is that skid is exaggerated throw. Outside couteracts throw so it would counteract skid as well. If you think of the two balls as gears while they are in contact, outside causes the two gears to rotate in opposite directions in which case the contact induced throw is cancelled by the english induced throw in the opposite direction. With inside english, the contact induced throw adds to the english induced throw. > If you think that skid is caused > by chalk from the tip being transferred 1/2 ball rotation to the > ball-ball collision point on a single individual shot, I don't think anyone thinks that. If that were the case, wiping the cue ball down periodically would not help much. > In any case, I do not know of any actual study that shows any kind > of observed statistical correlation between the type of spin and the > frequency of occurrence or the magnitude of skid. This might be a > useful study, but until it is done, I'm skeptical of the claim. Not sure why you need a study. You know that english induced throw from outside is in the opposite direction as contact induced throw and so tends to cancel out the overall throw effect. And english induced throw from inside is in the same direction as contact induced throw and thus adds to the throw effect. > > Fels goes so far as to say in a 14.1 game, you should be wiping the cue > > ball down at least after every scratch. Even better to wipe it down > > every rack if your opponent is ok with marking the cueball spot so it > > can be replaced before the break. He says why not, they do it all the > > time in golf... > > I often wipe the cue ball between racks in short-rack games (9-ball, > one-pocket, and 8-ball) for this reason. Perhaps it is mostly > habit, but skids are probably the reason I started in the first > place. I've noticed that many other players do this too. Interesting. I have probably a dozen pool instructional books and tapes and I don't recall one mentioning a thing called skid -- however it seems everyone but me knows about it. Before reading it in Fels' book, the only other time I heard the word was when Earl was complaining in an IPT match but I figured he was just whining as usual. John Black ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com** |
| 02 May 2008 22:28:46 |
| lfigueroa |
| Re: Skid -- why some good players advocate using outside on most |
I think it falls into the dark voodoo secrets category of pool instruction. Lou Figueroa John Black wrote: > Interesting. Its never really talked about in standard books and videos > on pool or is it? > > John Black > > In article <ZWESj.281477$cQ1.54019@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, > lfigueroa@att.net says... >> There are certain angle follow shots, where you can almost know the ball >> might skid. I especially go to the outside english on those. >> >> Lou Figueroa >> has had some good runs >> killed by skid >> >> >> John Black wrote: >>> I finally have an explanation that makes sense for why several good >>> players advocate using a touch outside english whenever possible. >>> George Fels explains it near the end of his book on straight pool. >>> >>> I used to think it is to eliminate or minimize throw but that didn't >>> totally make sense because throw would be factored into a good player's >>> skills. George says right, throw we can and do handle routinely. The >>> problem is "skid" which he defines as a very exaggerated throw that >>> occurs due to an excessively chalky or dirty spot on the cue ball (or >>> object ball). He says when skid happens, the balls cling together for a >>> much longer time -- so much that you can see it and you can hear it and >>> the final path of the object ball is surprisingly thick. I realize I >>> have seen examples after he defined it. >>> >>> Skid doesn't happen too often but when it does, its a run killer. It >>> happens on lower speed shots with center ball or inside english. More >>> with inside english than center ball. It shouldn't happen with outside >>> which is why players try to use outside when possible especially with >>> low speed shots. >>> >>> Fels goes so far as to say in a 14.1 game, you should be wiping the cue >>> ball down at least after every scratch. Even better to wipe it down >>> every rack if your opponent is ok with marking the cueball spot so it >>> can be replaced before the break. He says why not, they do it all the >>> time in golf... >>> >>> John Black >>> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com** > ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com** |
| 02 May 2008 22:32:00 |
| lfigueroa |
| Re: Skid -- why some good players advocate using outside on most |
I always thought it was that the OB literally skidded and slides for a few inches. Not excessive spin. Also, my experience is that it happens most often with follow shots shot off the rail, with like 15, 20 degrees of cut. Lou Figueroa sooo confuzed Ron Shepard wrote: > In article <MPG.22844f09662fd147989a39@free.teranews.com>, > John Black <jblack@texas.net> wrote: > >> [...] The >> problem is "skid" which he defines as a very exaggerated throw that >> occurs due to an excessively chalky or dirty spot on the cue ball (or >> object ball). He says when skid happens, the balls cling together for a >> much longer time -- so much that you can see it and you can hear it and >> the final path of the object ball is surprisingly thick. I realize I >> have seen examples after he defined it. > > I agree that skid changes the path and speed of the object ball (and > cue ball). You can also recognize when it occurs by noting the > large amount of spin on the object ball and/or the cue ball, or by > noting the cue ball or object ball jumping up after the collision. > > However, I doubt that there is any way to see a change in the > collision time. A normal ball-ball collision time is about 0.0001 > second, too fast to see, and even if it were to increase by a factor > of 10 or 100, I still doubt that you could actually see any > collision time increase. I also don't see any reason why the > collision time should increase, the balls don't suddenly turn into > soft rubber or anything, but that is a separate matter. In any > case, there is no practical need to hypothesize about collision time > changes, all of the effects of skid can be understood simply from > the change in friction between the balls. > >> Skid doesn't happen too often but when it does, its a run killer. It >> happens on lower speed shots with center ball or inside english. More >> with inside english than center ball. It shouldn't happen with outside >> which is why players try to use outside when possible especially with >> low speed shots. > > These things could be true, but I don't see any reason why they > should be. If you think that skid is caused by pieces of chalk that > get picked up from the tip or from the table over some period of > time and, due to random statistics, eventually find themselves > between the ball surfaces during a collision, than there would be > little or no relation to inside spin or any other spin with the > frequency of occurrence of skid. If you think that skid is caused > by chalk from the tip being transferred 1/2 ball rotation to the > ball-ball collision point on a single individual shot, then maybe > there would be a correlation of skid with very particular kinds of > spin, but in this case it would be say low-outside sidespin that > would increase the changes of it occurring relative to low-inside > sidespin, which is the opposite of what Fels (and others) have > discussed. > > In any case, I do not know of any actual study that shows any kind > of observed statistical correlation between the type of spin and the > frequency of occurrence or the magnitude of skid. This might be a > useful study, but until it is done, I'm skeptical of the claim. > >> Fels goes so far as to say in a 14.1 game, you should be wiping the cue >> ball down at least after every scratch. Even better to wipe it down >> every rack if your opponent is ok with marking the cueball spot so it >> can be replaced before the break. He says why not, they do it all the >> time in golf... > > I often wipe the cue ball between racks in short-rack games (9-ball, > one-pocket, and 8-ball) for this reason. Perhaps it is mostly > habit, but skids are probably the reason I started in the first > place. I've noticed that many other players do this too. When it > comes to picking lint off the table or wiping chalk spots off the > ball, pool players seem to be borderline OCD. Even if they don't > start off that way, they become that way the longer they play. > > In refereed matches, it is not uncommon to see players ask the > referee to clean the cue ball or an object ball during a game. > Referees are instructed how to do this consistently in a tournament > (usually by marking the position of the ball with a chalk cube or > with a pencil). > > $.02 -Ron Shepard |
| 03 May 2008 03:08:16 |
| Dan White |
| Re: Skid -- why some good players advocate using outside on most shots |
"John Black" <jblack@texas.net > wrote in message news:MPG.228515354378d5e7989a3d@free.teranews.com... > > If you think of the two balls as gears while they are in contact, outside causes the two > gears to rotate in opposite directions in which case the contact induced > throw is cancelled by the english induced throw in the opposite > direction. With inside english, the contact induced throw adds to the > english induced throw. O...MY...GOD! John just invoked the "two gears" analogy with Ron Shepard. I'm getting the popcorn. > Interesting. I have probably a dozen pool instructional books and tapes > and I don't recall one mentioning a thing called skid -- however it > seems everyone but me knows about it. Skid happens all the time, and it sucks. I must have happened to you, but you just didn't recognize it. dwhite |
| 03 May 2008 03:10:13 |
| Dan White |
| Re: Skid -- why some good players advocate using outside on most shots |
It happened to me most often on soft follow shots, full on or nearly so...but then I got a ball cleaner and it "dan't" happen nearly as much. :) dwhite "lfigueroa" <lfigueroa@att.net > wrote in message news:ADMSj.152121$D_3.137430@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > I always thought it was that the OB literally skidded and slides for a > few inches. Not excessive spin. > > Also, my experience is that it happens most often with follow shots shot > off the rail, with like 15, 20 degrees of cut. > > Lou Figueroa > sooo confuzed > > > Ron Shepard wrote: > > In article <MPG.22844f09662fd147989a39@free.teranews.com>, > > John Black <jblack@texas.net> wrote: > > > >> [...] The > >> problem is "skid" which he defines as a very exaggerated throw that > >> occurs due to an excessively chalky or dirty spot on the cue ball (or > >> object ball). He says when skid happens, the balls cling together for a > >> much longer time -- so much that you can see it and you can hear it and > >> the final path of the object ball is surprisingly thick. I realize I > >> have seen examples after he defined it. > > > > I agree that skid changes the path and speed of the object ball (and > > cue ball). You can also recognize when it occurs by noting the > > large amount of spin on the object ball and/or the cue ball, or by > > noting the cue ball or object ball jumping up after the collision. > > > > However, I doubt that there is any way to see a change in the > > collision time. A normal ball-ball collision time is about 0.0001 > > second, too fast to see, and even if it were to increase by a factor > > of 10 or 100, I still doubt that you could actually see any > > collision time increase. I also don't see any reason why the > > collision time should increase, the balls don't suddenly turn into > > soft rubber or anything, but that is a separate matter. In any > > case, there is no practical need to hypothesize about collision time > > changes, all of the effects of skid can be understood simply from > > the change in friction between the balls. > > > >> Skid doesn't happen too often but when it does, its a run killer. It > >> happens on lower speed shots with center ball or inside english. More > >> with inside english than center ball. It shouldn't happen with outside > >> which is why players try to use outside when possible especially with > >> low speed shots. > > > > These things could be true, but I don't see any reason why they > > should be. If you think that skid is caused by pieces of chalk that > > get picked up from the tip or from the table over some period of > > time and, due to random statistics, eventually find themselves > > between the ball surfaces during a collision, than there would be > > little or no relation to inside spin or any other spin with the > > frequency of occurrence of skid. If you think that skid is caused > > by chalk from the tip being transferred 1/2 ball rotation to the > > ball-ball collision point on a single individual shot, then maybe > > there would be a correlation of skid with very particular kinds of > > spin, but in this case it would be say low-outside sidespin that > > would increase the changes of it occurring relative to low-inside > > sidespin, which is the opposite of what Fels (and others) have > > discussed. > > > > In any case, I do not know of any actual study that shows any kind > > of observed statistical correlation between the type of spin and the > > frequency of occurrence or the magnitude of skid. This might be a > > useful study, but until it is done, I'm skeptical of the claim. > > > >> Fels goes so far as to say in a 14.1 game, you should be wiping the cue > >> ball down at least after every scratch. Even better to wipe it down > >> every rack if your opponent is ok with marking the cueball spot so it > >> can be replaced before the break. He says why not, they do it all the > >> time in golf... > > > > I often wipe the cue ball between racks in short-rack games (9-ball, > > one-pocket, and 8-ball) for this reason. Perhaps it is mostly > > habit, but skids are probably the reason I started in the first > > place. I've noticed that many other players do this too. When it > > comes to picking lint off the table or wiping chalk spots off the > > ball, pool players seem to be borderline OCD. Even if they don't > > start off that way, they become that way the longer they play. > > > > In refereed matches, it is not uncommon to see players ask the > > referee to clean the cue ball or an object ball during a game. > > Referees are instructed how to do this consistently in a tournament > > (usually by marking the position of the ball with a chalk cube or > > with a pencil). > > > > $.02 -Ron Shepard |
| 02 May 2008 23:52:50 |
| John Black |
| Re: Skid -- why some good players advocate using outside on most shots |
In article <AGQSj.44$Jb2.17@trndny03 >, dwhite300@verizon.net says... > "John Black" <jblack@texas.net> wrote in message > news:MPG.228515354378d5e7989a3d@free.teranews.com... > > > > If you think of the two balls as gears while they are in contact, outside > causes the two > > gears to rotate in opposite directions in which case the contact induced > > throw is cancelled by the english induced throw in the opposite > > direction. With inside english, the contact induced throw adds to the > > english induced throw. > > O...MY...GOD! John just invoked the "two gears" analogy with Ron Shepard. > I'm getting the popcorn. Well, forget gears because I'm not wedded to the analogy. I believe I remember a discussion where Ron said its not like gears, just sliding surfaces and friction. Fine, but the point is there are two effects during the contact time (I know Ron hates this too). In the case of inside english, these effects add to produce a larger throw (vs. no english). In the case of outside english these effects are in the opposite direction and partially or completely cancel each other out. The forward motion of the cue ball is pushing the object ball off line, while the rotation of the cue ball is pulling the object ball back in the opposite direction. (kind of like gears...) > > Interesting. I have probably a dozen pool instructional books and tapes > > and I don't recall one mentioning a thing called skid -- however it > > seems everyone but me knows about it. > > Skid happens all the time, and it sucks. I must have happened to you, but > you just didn't recognize it. I'll recognize it now as the reason I miss a shot. :-) John Black ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com** |
| 02 May 2008 23:55:00 |
| Ron Shepard |
| Re: Skid -- why some good players advocate using outside on most shots |
In article <AGQSj.44$Jb2.17@trndny03 >, "Dan White" <dwhite300@verizon.net > wrote: > O...MY...GOD! John just invoked the "two gears" analogy with Ron Shepard. > I'm getting the popcorn. In this case, I think it is a good analogy, unlike the normal throw situation. If the gear analogy really held for normal shots, then all shots would look like skid shots. The fact that skid makes the balls behave so unusual means that the gear analogy isn't a good way to describe normal throw. As far as skid adding and subtracting to normal throw, the magnitudes are so different that you can ignore the normal throw part. On a skid shot, the ball might throw off 30 or 40 degrees. Normal throw would be about 10x smaller than that, 2-4 inches. Skid might make you miss the pocket by 20 to 30 inches, normal throw adds or subtracts 2 inches from that, which is in the noise. I think when people say that "outside spin reduces the skid", they aren't talking about the magnitude of the skid, they are really talking about the frequency that it occurs. That is why I think a statistical study is required to correlate the type of spin with the frequency that skid occurs. $.02 -Ron Shepard |
| 02 May 2008 23:30:19 |
| Ed McCune |
| Re: Skid -- why some good players advocate using outside on most |
Dan White wrote: > Skid happens all the time, and it sucks. I must have happened to you, but > you just didn't recognize it. > > dwhite > > Just change your underwear and act like nothing happened. No-one but you need know about your skid problems. Ed -- mccune@standardab.ca |
| 03 May 2008 16:08:40 |
| John Black |
| Re: Skid -- why some good players advocate using outside on most shots |
In article <ron-shepard-A7FFD0.23550002052008@comcast.dca.giganews.com >, ron-shepard@NOSPAM.comcast.net says... > In article <AGQSj.44$Jb2.17@trndny03>, > "Dan White" <dwhite300@verizon.net> wrote: > > > O...MY...GOD! John just invoked the "two gears" analogy with Ron Shepard. > > I'm getting the popcorn. > > In this case, I think it is a good analogy, unlike the normal throw > situation. If the gear analogy really held for normal shots, then > all shots would look like skid shots. The fact that skid makes the > balls behave so unusual means that the gear analogy isn't a good way > to describe normal throw. > > As far as skid adding and subtracting to normal throw, the > magnitudes are so different that you can ignore the normal throw > part. On a skid shot, the ball might throw off 30 or 40 degrees. > Normal throw would be about 10x smaller than that, 2-4 inches. > Skid might make you miss the pocket by 20 to 30 inches, normal throw > adds or subtracts 2 inches from that, which is in the noise. I knew skid was a different magnitude than throw but I didn't realize it could be 10X. I guess the way to understand it is on a skid shot, because there happens to be so much gunk between the balls, you can't really consider it a ball to ball collision. I.e. the surfaces in contact are not really the hard ball material. A completely different surface will have different collision properties... John Black ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com** |
| 03 May 2008 21:19:45 |
| Dan White |
| Re: Skid -- why some good players advocate using outside on most shots |
"Ed McCune" <mccune@telusplanet.net > wrote in message news:fvgt8c$rfp$1@registered.motzarella.org... > > > Dan White wrote: > > > Skid happens all the time, and it sucks. I must have happened to you, but > > you just didn't recognize it. > > > > dwhite > > > > > > Just change your underwear and act like nothing happened. No-one but you > need know about your skid problems. > > Ed > Ha! Maybe instead of "sucks" I should have said that skid stinks. dwhite |
| 03 May 2008 21:21:14 |
| Dan White |
| Re: Skid -- why some good players advocate using outside on most shots |
"Ron Shepard" <ron-shepard@NOSPAM.comcast.net > wrote in message news:ron-shepard-A7FFD0.23550002052008@comcast.dca.giganews.com... > In article <AGQSj.44$Jb2.17@trndny03>, > "Dan White" <dwhite300@verizon.net> wrote: > > > O...MY...GOD! John just invoked the "two gears" analogy with Ron Shepard. > > I'm getting the popcorn. > > In this case, I think it is a good analogy, unlike the normal throw > situation. Well then "shut my mouth"! as the saying goes. dwhite |
| 04 May 2008 22:26:47 |
| John Black |
| Re: Skid -- why some good players advocate using outside on most shots |
In article <MPG.22844f09662fd147989a39@free.teranews.com >, jblack@texas.net says... > I finally have an explanation that makes sense for why several good > players advocate using a touch outside english whenever possible. > George Fels explains it near the end of his book on straight pool. Just a quick correction -- The book I was talking about is Play Your Best Straight Pool by Phil Capelle, not George Fels. I somehow confused it for another book I have by Fels that deals with straight pool. John Black ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com** |