06 May 2008 11:57:45

Geico Caveman

What is the matter with IPL ?

I mean the names. Too much royalty, some of it of dubious lineage, floating around. We have some good names : Delhi Daredevils Deccan Chargers No cause for complaint there. Then we have the strangely named : Mumbai Indians. Couldn't they come with a slightly less drab name ? Its like renaming the New York Yankees as New York Americans. Kolkata Knight Riders. Why name a franchise after a relatively minor action series from mid 80s ? The thing is almost forgotten, and even if the idea behind some of these names is to ultimately market Twenty20 cricket to an American audience, surely they can use some better known series whose main actor is not an occasional tabloid train wreck. Next we have the different shades of royalty. Rajasthan Royals is a good name, reflective of the local culture and it rhymes well. Completely at odds with the team composition and apparent ethos though. Then the three very strange names : Kings XI Punjab. Talk of missing apostrophes. Are these King's ... XI Punjab (which makes it sound vaguely like a army battalion) or Kings XI ... Punjab (which makes it sound like a bunch of prima donnas who happen to have a home ground in Punjab) or ... ? Very weird name. Chennai Super Kings. What exactly is a Super King ? Is it the largest size crab you can eat at your local seafood joint ? Or is it team that oozes me-too wherever it goes ? The strangest name of all is the Bangalore Royal Challengers. Who is a "Royal Challenger" ? If you are a royal, you are part of the establishment, and hence not a challenger. If you are a rival contender to the throne, you would be the Disinherited Prince or simply, a Contender. Naming a team after a wine bottle has its dangers, none more apparent than this one. I cannot decide which team to support (if at all). Its just too confusing. I enjoy sixes and uprooted middle stumps as much as the next man, but don't ask me to manufacture loyalty out of thin air, especially to teams with such strange names. Might I suggest some better names for some of these teams ? How about Chennai Super Kings being Chennai Quicks ? The MRF pace academy is located in the city. And the team is quick to gain or lose form. Or the Bangalore Royal Challengers being Bangalore Chips ? Don't bash the name - it will play well in the US, where its regularly compared to Silicon Valley. The danger of some adding an extra M in there is always there, but at least the name isn't embarrassing any more. The Mumbai Indians can stop playing more patriotic than thou and get a decent name like the Mumbai Saints. Its guaranteed to cause RSC unending heartburn. The Kings XI Punjab can stop being useless prima donnas and simply go with the more applicable Mohali Spoilers. Whether they spoil their own Hopes or others', that sums up the team pretty well. Rajasthan Royals can simply be Jaipur Royals. Its far more appropriate. Kolkata Knight Riders would be better off as Salt Lake Reds. Way too many commies in that benighted town. Kolkata would simply not rhyme with anything decent anyways. Deccan Chargers and Delhi Daredevils are fine.

06 May 2008 12:31:07

arahim

Re: What is the matter with IPL ?

On May 6, 11:57=A0am, Geico Caveman <spammers-beg...@spam.invalid > wrote: > I mean the names. > > Too much royalty, some of it of dubious lineage, floating around. > > We have some good names : > > Delhi Daredevils > Deccan Chargers > > No cause for complaint there. > > Then we have the strangely named : > > Mumbai Indians. Couldn't they come with a slightly less drab name ? Its li= ke > renaming the New York Yankees as New York Americans. > > Kolkata Knight Riders. Why name a franchise after a relatively minor actio= n > series from mid 80s ? The thing is almost forgotten, and even if the idea > behind some of these names is to ultimately market Twenty20 cricket to an > American audience, surely they can use some better known series whose main= > actor is not an occasional tabloid train wreck. > > Next we have the different shades of royalty. > > Rajasthan Royals is a good name, reflective of the local culture and it > rhymes well. Completely at odds with the team composition and apparent > ethos though. > > Then the three very strange names : > > Kings XI Punjab. Talk of missing apostrophes. Are these King's ... XI Punj= ab > (which makes it sound vaguely like a army battalion) or Kings XI ... Punja= b > (which makes it sound like a bunch of prima donnas who happen to have a > home ground in Punjab) or ... ? Very weird name. > I don't know who anounced the name first but sounds suspiciously close to Lahore Badshahs. > Chennai Super Kings. What exactly is a Super King ? Is it the largest size= > crab you can eat at your local seafood joint ? Or is it team that oozes > me-too wherever it goes ? > They wanted to gain psychological advantage on the Punjab team: "Hey you're only a king." > The strangest name of all is the Bangalore Royal Challengers. Who is > a "Royal Challenger" ? If you are a royal, you are part of the > establishment, and hence not a challenger. If you are a rival contender to= > the throne, you would be the Disinherited Prince or simply, a Contender. > Naming a team after a wine bottle has its dangers, none more apparent than= > this one. > Maybe Royal Challengers are those who challenge the idea of royalty:) Considering how many Royals there are in IPL. May be this is an effort to build a rivalry against Rajasthan. > I cannot decide which team to support (if at all). Its just too confusing.= I > enjoy sixes and uprooted middle stumps as much as the next man, but don't > ask me to manufacture loyalty out of thin air, especially to teams with > such strange names. > > Might I suggest some better names for some of these teams ? > > How about Chennai Super Kings being Chennai Quicks ? The MRF pace academy = is > located in the city. And the team is quick to gain or lose form. > > Or the Bangalore Royal Challengers being Bangalore Chips ? Don't bash the > name - it will play well in the US, where its regularly compared to Silico= n > Valley. The danger of some adding an extra M in there is always there, but= > at least the name isn't embarrassing any more. > > The Mumbai Indians can stop playing more patriotic than thou and get a > decent name like the Mumbai Saints. Its guaranteed to cause RSC unending > heartburn. > Differentiate the product rather than reusing american names even if you want it for the US market. Mumbai Mahatamas? > The Kings XI Punjab can stop being useless prima donnas and simply go with= > the more applicable Mohali Spoilers. Whether they spoil their own Hopes or= > others', that sums up the team pretty well. > > Rajasthan Royals can simply be Jaipur Royals. Its far more appropriate. > > Kolkata Knight Riders would be better off as Salt Lake Reds. Way too many > commies in that benighted town. Kolkata would simply not rhyme with > anything decent anyways. > > Deccan Chargers and Delhi Daredevils are fine.

06 May 2008 12:39:21

Macjoubert

Re: What is the matter with IPL ?

On May 6, 1:57=A0pm, Geico Caveman <spammers-beg...@spam.invalid > wrote: > I mean the names. > > Too much royalty, some of it of dubious lineage, floating around. > > We have some good names : > > Delhi Daredevils > Deccan Chargers > > No cause for complaint there. > > Then we have the strangely named : > > Mumbai Indians. Couldn't they come with a slightly less drab name ? Its li= ke > renaming the New York Yankees as New York Americans. > > Kolkata Knight Riders. Why name a franchise after a relatively minor actio= n > series from mid 80s ? The thing is almost forgotten, and even if the idea > behind some of these names is to ultimately market Twenty20 cricket to an > American audience, surely they can use some better known series whose main= > actor is not an occasional tabloid train wreck. > > Next we have the different shades of royalty. > > Rajasthan Royals is a good name, reflective of the local culture and it > rhymes well. Completely at odds with the team composition and apparent > ethos though. > > Then the three very strange names : > > Kings XI Punjab. Talk of missing apostrophes. Are these King's ... XI Punj= ab > (which makes it sound vaguely like a army battalion) or Kings XI ... Punja= b > (which makes it sound like a bunch of prima donnas who happen to have a > home ground in Punjab) or ... ? Very weird name. > > Chennai Super Kings. What exactly is a Super King ? Is it the largest size= > crab you can eat at your local seafood joint ? Or is it team that oozes > me-too wherever it goes ? > > The strangest name of all is the Bangalore Royal Challengers. Who is > a "Royal Challenger" ? If you are a royal, you are part of the > establishment, and hence not a challenger. If you are a rival contender to= > the throne, you would be the Disinherited Prince or simply, a Contender. > Naming a team after a wine bottle has its dangers, none more apparent than= > this one. > > I cannot decide which team to support (if at all). Its just too confusing.= I > enjoy sixes and uprooted middle stumps as much as the next man, but don't > ask me to manufacture loyalty out of thin air, especially to teams with > such strange names. > > Might I suggest some better names for some of these teams ? > > How about Chennai Super Kings being Chennai Quicks ? The MRF pace academy = is > located in the city. And the team is quick to gain or lose form. > > Or the Bangalore Royal Challengers being Bangalore Chips ? Don't bash the > name - it will play well in the US, where its regularly compared to Silico= n > Valley. The danger of some adding an extra M in there is always there, but= > at least the name isn't embarrassing any more. > > The Mumbai Indians can stop playing more patriotic than thou and get a > decent name like the Mumbai Saints. Its guaranteed to cause RSC unending > heartburn. > > The Kings XI Punjab can stop being useless prima donnas and simply go with= > the more applicable Mohali Spoilers. Whether they spoil their own Hopes or= > others', that sums up the team pretty well. > > Rajasthan Royals can simply be Jaipur Royals. Its far more appropriate. > > Kolkata Knight Riders would be better off as Salt Lake Reds. Way too many > commies in that benighted town. Kolkata would simply not rhyme with > anything decent anyways. > > Deccan Chargers and Delhi Daredevils are fine. I bet the Chennai Super Kings would have loved Super Stars but alas that was taken, as that Rajini's nickname and in the land of Kanth that goes a long way. They obviously wanted to hang on to some vestige of 'Super Star', hence the Super King strategy which is idiotic. The IPL website has a piece claiming the name is to represent the rich history of Tamil kings.What bull, the last Tamil king ruled what is now Tamil Nadu over 700 years ago! Better names (some tongue in cheek) Chennai Periya Dorais Tamil Tigers Chennai Porrikkis Quick Guns Chennai Bangalore Bondas Bangalore Bendekkais Mumbai Marathas Mumbai Maharajas Bombay Bombats Punjab Lions Bengal Tigers

06 May 2008 12:45:59

Macjoubert

Re: What is the matter with IPL ?

On May 6, 2:31=A0pm, arahim <arahim_ara...@hotmail.com > wrote: > On May 6, 11:57=A0am, Geico Caveman <spammers-beg...@spam.invalid> > wrote: > > > > > > > I mean the names. > > > Too much royalty, some of it of dubious lineage, floating around. > > > We have some good names : > > > Delhi Daredevils > > Deccan Chargers > > > No cause for complaint there. > > > Then we have the strangely named : > > > Mumbai Indians. Couldn't they come with a slightly less drab name ? Its = like > > renaming the New York Yankees as New York Americans. > > > Kolkata Knight Riders. Why name a franchise after a relatively minor act= ion > > series from mid 80s ? The thing is almost forgotten, and even if the ide= a > > behind some of these names is to ultimately market Twenty20 cricket to a= n > > American audience, surely they can use some better known series whose ma= in > > actor is not an occasional tabloid train wreck. > > > Next we have the different shades of royalty. > > > Rajasthan Royals is a good name, reflective of the local culture and it > > rhymes well. Completely at odds with the team composition and apparent > > ethos though. > > > Then the three very strange names : > > > Kings XI Punjab. Talk of missing apostrophes. Are these King's ... XI Pu= njab > > (which makes it sound vaguely like a army battalion) or Kings XI ... Pun= jab > > (which makes it sound like a bunch of prima donnas who happen to have a > > home ground in Punjab) or ... ? Very weird name. > > I don't know who anounced the name first but sounds suspiciously close > to Lahore Badshahs. Maybe Lahore Loudas will sound better. > > > Chennai Super Kings. What exactly is a Super King ? Is it the largest si= ze > > crab you can eat at your local seafood joint ? Or is it team that oozes > > me-too wherever it goes ? > > They wanted to gain psychological advantage on the Punjab team: "Hey > you're only a king." > > > The strangest name of all is the Bangalore Royal Challengers. Who is > > a "Royal Challenger" ? If you are a royal, you are part of the > > establishment, and hence not a challenger. If you are a rival contender = to > > the throne, you would be the Disinherited Prince or simply, a Contender.= > > Naming a team after a wine bottle has its dangers, none more apparent th= an > > this one. > > Maybe Royal Challengers are those who challenge the idea of royalty:) > Considering how many Royals there are in IPL. May be this is an effort > to build a rivalry against Rajasthan. > > > > > > > I cannot decide which team to support (if at all). Its just too confusin= g. I > > enjoy sixes and uprooted middle stumps as much as the next man, but don'= t > > ask me to manufacture loyalty out of thin air, especially to teams with > > such strange names. > > > Might I suggest some better names for some of these teams ? > > > How about Chennai Super Kings being Chennai Quicks ? The MRF pace academ= y is > > located in the city. And the team is quick to gain or lose form. > > > Or the Bangalore Royal Challengers being Bangalore Chips ? Don't bash th= e > > name - it will play well in the US, where its regularly compared to Sili= con > > Valley. The danger of some adding an extra M in there is always there, b= ut > > at least the name isn't embarrassing any more. They're named after Mallya's UB group beer, Royal Challenge..

06 May 2008 13:18:39

tendulkar.com

Re: What is the matter with IPL ?

Yes, Branding has been the worst. Whatever happened to keeping it to single syllable? Its much easier to come up with catchy tunes, logos when you have simple names BTW, your suggestion of Quicks, Chips, Spoilers, Reds are as idiotic as the originals. These names neither resonate with common Indian man nor has the motivating/aggressive tone to it. I'd still go with animal/war titles. Good ol Tigers, Lions, Bulls, Bears, Warriors, Devils, Panthers, Cheetahs, Jaguars etc

06 May 2008 13:58:24

Jayen

Re: What is the matter with IPL ?

On May 7, 1:18=A0am, "tendulkar.com" <tendulkar....@gmail.com > wrote: > Yes, Branding has been the worst. Whatever happened to keeping it to > single syllable? > Its much easier to come up with catchy tunes, logos when you have > simple names > > BTW, your suggestion of Quicks, Chips, Spoilers, Reds are as idiotic > as the originals. > > These names neither resonate with common Indian man nor has the > motivating/aggressive tone to it. I'd still go with animal/war titles. > Good ol Tigers, Lions, Bulls, Bears, Warriors, Devils, Panthers, > Cheetahs, Jaguars etc Not animals. Too many organisations which go all the way from extremist to terrorist use them. Examples are Tamil tigers, Black panthers (the Dalit panthers in India have been relatively benign so far, but their rhetoric at times is rather violent), etc. As far as Chennai is concerned, the Superstars name was taken by the ICL team and Wikipedia says that the team was named after 'Coromandel Super King cement', one of the brands of their owner, India Cements. Google Finance says that the brand is actually called Coromandel Super Power, but it's possible that this term has gained negative connotations after GWB's antics. Super Kings sounds like a cigarette brand to me, but either name sounds better than Chennai Cementheads. To me, the entire set of names sounds like a wanking session. I'd have preferred just the city name. As it is, "creative" names like Mumbai Mookkozhogis and Calcutta Cammanattis have emerged. Regards, Jayen

06 May 2008 14:32:43

tendulkar.com

Re: What is the matter with IPL ?

On May 6, 4:58=A0pm, Jayen <rsc_pos...@yahoo.com > wrote: > On May 7, 1:18=A0am, "tendulkar.com" <tendulkar....@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Yes, Branding has been the worst. Whatever happened to keeping it to > > single syllable? > > Its much easier to come up with catchy tunes, logos when you have > > simple names > > > BTW, your suggestion of Quicks, Chips, Spoilers, Reds are as idiotic > > as the originals. > > > These names neither resonate with common Indian man nor has the > > motivating/aggressive tone to it. I'd still go with animal/war titles. > > Good ol Tigers, Lions, Bulls, Bears, Warriors, Devils, Panthers, > > Cheetahs, Jaguars etc > > Not animals. Too many organisations which go all the way from > extremist to terrorist use them. Examples are Tamil tigers, =A0Black > panthers (the Dalit panthers in India have been relatively benign so > far, but their rhetoric at times is rather violent), etc. > > As far as Chennai is concerned, the Superstars name was taken by the > ICL team and Wikipedia says that the team was named after 'Coromandel > Super King cement', one of the brands of their owner, India Cements. > Google Finance says that the brand is actually called Coromandel Super > Power, but it's possible that this term has gained negative > connotations after GWB's antics. Super Kings sounds like a cigarette > brand to me, but either name sounds better than Chennai Cementheads. > > To me, the entire set of names sounds like a wanking session. I'd have > preferred just the city name. As it is, "creative" names like Mumbai > Mookkozhogis and Calcutta Cammanattis have emerged. > > Regards, > Jayen Why should franchise owners brands be attached to team names? If Mallya sells the team to someone else, obviously it will have to be renamed, which removes some of the loyalty. The idea of attaching something to a city does have a logo/ alliteration/emotion value to it. But, IPL has fucked it up Royal Challengerly

06 May 2008 17:19:52

Totaltully

Re: What is the matter with IPL ?

On May 6, 1:58=A0pm, Jayen <rsc_pos...@yahoo.com > wrote: > On May 7, 1:18=A0am, "tendulkar.com" <tendulkar....@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Yes, Branding has been the worst. Whatever happened to keeping it to > > single syllable? > > Its much easier to come up with catchy tunes, logos when you have > > simple names > > > BTW, your suggestion of Quicks, Chips, Spoilers, Reds are as idiotic > > as the originals. > > > These names neither resonate with common Indian man nor has the > > motivating/aggressive tone to it. I'd still go with animal/war titles. > > Good ol Tigers, Lions, Bulls, Bears, Warriors, Devils, Panthers, > > Cheetahs, Jaguars etc > > Not animals. Too many organisations which go all the way from > extremist to terrorist use them. Examples are Tamil tigers, =A0Black > panthers (the Dalit panthers in India have been relatively benign so > far, but their rhetoric at times is rather violent), etc. > > As far as Chennai is concerned, the Superstars name was taken by the > ICL team and Wikipedia says that the team was named after 'Coromandel > Super King cement', one of the brands of their owner, India Cements. > Google Finance says that the brand is actually called Coromandel Super > Power, but it's possible that this term has gained negative > connotations after GWB's antics. Super Kings sounds like a cigarette > brand to me, but either name sounds better than Chennai Cementheads. > > To me, the entire set of names sounds like a wanking session. I'd have > preferred just the city name. As it is, "creative" names like Mumbai > Mookkozhogis and Calcutta Cammanattis have emerged. > > Regards, > Jayen Here is my take on the names: Mumbai Indians - This is a cosmopolitan city racked by linguistic tensions. Going with a name like Maratha Warriors would not have gone down well in the current context for the significant number of South Indians and UP/Bihar migrants. And the owners are Gujrati speaking. Chennnai Super Kings - This is a name that the masses in Chennai would relate to. Bangalore RC - RC is well know brand of whiskey owned by Vijay Mallya (owns the BRC team as well). Rajasthan - The legacy of Rajasthan are its palaces, royals etc. So very much in tune with the local context. These names make more sense that 'Cincinatti Bengals' or less racist than Washington Redskins.

06 May 2008 17:44:23

Shikari Shambhu

Re: What is the matter with IPL ?

On May 6, 4:58=A0pm, Jayen <rsc_pos...@yahoo.com > wrote: > As far as Chennai is concerned, Chennai Chuckers.

06 May 2008 20:03:39

linus

Re: What is the matter with IPL ?

On May 6, 2:57=A0pm, Geico Caveman <spammers-beg...@spam.invalid > wrote: > I mean the names. > > Too much royalty, some of it of dubious lineage, floating around. > > We have some good names : > > Delhi Daredevils > Deccan Chargers > > No cause for complaint there. > > Then we have the strangely named : > > Mumbai Indians. Couldn't they come with a slightly less drab name ? Its li= ke > renaming the New York Yankees as New York Americans. > > Kolkata Knight Riders. Why name a franchise after a relatively minor actio= n > series from mid 80s ? The thing is almost forgotten, and even if the idea > behind some of these names is to ultimately market Twenty20 cricket to an > American audience, surely they can use some better known series whose main= > actor is not an occasional tabloid train wreck. > > Next we have the different shades of royalty. > > Rajasthan Royals is a good name, reflective of the local culture and it > rhymes well. Completely at odds with the team composition and apparent > ethos though. > > Then the three very strange names : > > Kings XI Punjab. Talk of missing apostrophes. Are these King's ... XI Punj= ab > (which makes it sound vaguely like a army battalion) or Kings XI ... Punja= b > (which makes it sound like a bunch of prima donnas who happen to have a > home ground in Punjab) or ... ? Very weird name. > > Chennai Super Kings. What exactly is a Super King ? Is it the largest size= > crab you can eat at your local seafood joint ? Or is it team that oozes > me-too wherever it goes ? > > The strangest name of all is the Bangalore Royal Challengers. Who is > a "Royal Challenger" ? If you are a royal, you are part of the > establishment, and hence not a challenger. If you are a rival contender to= > the throne, you would be the Disinherited Prince or simply, a Contender. > Naming a team after a wine bottle has its dangers, none more apparent than= > this one. > > I cannot decide which team to support (if at all). Its just too confusing.= I > enjoy sixes and uprooted middle stumps as much as the next man, but don't > ask me to manufacture loyalty out of thin air, especially to teams with > such strange names. > > Might I suggest some better names for some of these teams ? > > How about Chennai Super Kings being Chennai Quicks ? The MRF pace academy = is > located in the city. And the team is quick to gain or lose form. > > Or the Bangalore Royal Challengers being Bangalore Chips ? Don't bash the > name - it will play well in the US, where its regularly compared to Silico= n > Valley. The danger of some adding an extra M in there is always there, but= > at least the name isn't embarrassing any more. > > The Mumbai Indians can stop playing more patriotic than thou and get a > decent name like the Mumbai Saints. Its guaranteed to cause RSC unending > heartburn. > > The Kings XI Punjab can stop being useless prima donnas and simply go with= > the more applicable Mohali Spoilers. Whether they spoil their own Hopes or= > others', that sums up the team pretty well. > > Rajasthan Royals can simply be Jaipur Royals. Its far more appropriate. > > Kolkata Knight Riders would be better off as Salt Lake Reds. Way too many > commies in that benighted town. Kolkata would simply not rhyme with > anything decent anyways. > > Deccan Chargers and Delhi Daredevils are fine. I personally like the title Bangalore Microserfs, give the connection the city has to Bill Gates and the IT industry. I am sure IPL could have interested MicroSoft with the title and convince them to come up with some sponsership money. That in turn would have made Apple sit up and notice. Steve Jobs would then could have been convinced to buy the Mumbai team and name them I- tunes which given their current performance, could have convereted into Loony Tunes easily. The possibilities are endless, only if you care enough to be creative.

06 May 2008 21:07:25

Re: What is the matter with IPL ?

The problem with IPL is a lack of passion of the fans. Unless we see a murder or atleast manslaughter committed, there won't be any passion or worldwide interest in IPL. See this real rivalry: http://www.boston.com/news/local/new_hampshire/articles/2008/05/05/sox_yankees_spat_cited_in_nh_killing/ http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/World/2008/05/05/5476781-ap.html Untill there is passion, this kind of loyalty, IPL is worthless. -Amit