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| 21 Oct 2004 17:13:02 |
| Tristán White |
| If you thought rowing in 8x was difficult.... |
I was watching some sports programme last night on Sky and they showed rowing in Thailand. Never seen anything like it! Some boats had 45 rowers!!! And all in a line (not side-by-side). Done a web-search this morning, all I found was http://www.bigsnakeguesthouse.com/surround/surroundings.html The coordination for something like that must be unbelievably hard! |
| 21 Oct 2004 20:10:32 |
| mike t |
| Re: If you thought rowing in 8x was difficult.... |
Tristán White wrote: > I was watching some sports programme last night on Sky and they showed > rowing in Thailand. > > Never seen anything like it! Some boats had 45 rowers!!! And all in a > line (not side-by-side). > > Done a web-search this morning, all I found was > http://www.bigsnakeguesthouse.com/surround/surroundings.html > > The coordination for something like that must be unbelievably hard! if you want to laugh at a sweaty bloke in a huuuuge boat in Kerala: http://www.photobox.co.uk/album/album_fullsize.html?c_photo=7638823 according to the sign outside the boathouse, it's called Champakulam Chundau (snake boat) 131 feet long 69 inches wide 22 inches deep 105 rowers. Yes, I know its an odd number 11 tuners [?] 4 steersmen |
| 21 Oct 2004 21:23:38 |
| Ewoud Dronkert |
| Re: If you thought rowing in 8x was difficult.... |
On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:13:02 +0100, Tristán White wrote: > rowing in Thailand. [...] > Done a web-search this morning, all I found was > http://www.bigsnakeguesthouse.com/surround/surroundings.html That's not rowing, that's paddling! It's called dragon boat racing, that should give you more hits. -- Firefox Web Browser - Rediscover the web - http://www.getffox.com/ Thunderbird E-mail and Newsgroups - http://www.gettbird.com/ |
| 21 Oct 2004 22:55:12 |
| Richard Packer |
| Re: If you thought rowing in 8x was difficult.... |
On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 21:23:38 +0200, Ewoud Dronkert <me@privacy.net > wrote: >That's not rowing, that's paddling! >It's called dragon boat racing, that should give you more hits. Don't go there. I recently had the "honour" of organising a company dragon boat team for a local charity event, all because the organiser knew I rowed. Thanks Pete. Apart from a boat and water, there's precisely nothing in common between the two sports. And *some* people even have the cheek to suggest that you "row" a dragon boat... And then there's all that equally inappropriate Hawaii 5-0 stuff. Hecking flip. Still, we raised £1500 for a local charity (quick plug - www.stch.org.uk - all donations gratefully received...) Look *very* carefully at http://www.stch.co.uk/summer2004events/lg-CNV00066.JPG and you may just find two ARA multi-lane umpires... At least one of us (clue: not me) managed to win the ergo competition, and came away with a natty little trophy (and a bottle of champagne). And *that's* why we weren't at the FISA Masters this year! Richard |
| 21 Oct 2004 15:00:24 |
| Mike Sullivan |
| Re: If you thought rowing in 8x was difficult.... |
<Richard Packer > wrote in message news:e5bgn0lse30uqg4m1bqsm8dl8i774g1241@4ax.com... > On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 21:23:38 +0200, Ewoud Dronkert <me@privacy.net> > wrote: > > >That's not rowing, that's paddling! > >It's called dragon boat racing, that should give you more hits. > > Don't go there. I recently had the "honour" of organising a company > dragon boat team for a local charity event, all because the organiser > knew I rowed. Thanks Pete. Apart from a boat and water, there's > precisely nothing in common between the two sports. And *some* people If you want to get a whole bunch of people on the water quickly and safely, dragon boats are the way to go. Some clubs try to do community outreach to have one day sessions to introduce people to the water. A dragon boat would be the easy way to go. Too much overhead in rowing. Mike |
| 22 Oct 2004 00:13:39 |
| Ewoud Dronkert |
| Re: If you thought rowing in 8x was difficult.... |
On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 22:55:12 +0100, Richard Packer < > wrote: > Apart from a boat and water, there's precisely > nothing in common between [rowing and dragon boat racing]. Several of my rowing friends put a dragon boat team together this year, and immediately won an important national regatta. Quite easily too. Mostly corporate teams as "competition" though. The Asian boats go a lot faster, presumably. http://www.dutchdragons.nl/mambo/images/stories/dutch/Groepfotozmeer%2004.jpg -- Firefox Web Browser - Rediscover the web - http://www.getffox.com/ Thunderbird E-mail and Newsgroups - http://www.gettbird.com/ |
| 22 Oct 2004 06:28:51 |
| Nick Suess |
| Re: If you thought rowing in 8x was difficult.... |
<Richard Packer > wrote in message news:e5bgn0lse30uqg4m1bqsm8dl8i774g1241@4ax.com... > On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 21:23:38 +0200, Ewoud Dronkert <me@privacy.net> > wrote: > > >That's not rowing, that's paddling! > >It's called dragon boat racing, that should give you more hits. > > Don't go there. I recently had the "honour" of organising a company > dragon boat team for a local charity event, all because the organiser > knew I rowed. Thanks Pete. Apart from a boat and water, there's > precisely nothing in common between the two sports. And *some* people > even have the cheek to suggest that you "row" a dragon boat... And > then there's all that equally inappropriate Hawaii 5-0 stuff. Hecking > flip. Yes, some years ago I met a woman who was into dragon boating and talked about it incessantly, and upon being told I was a rower, she said "but you must try out dragon boating - it's SUCH fun". Well, I tried the opposite tack. Took her out in a double scull and she saw my point. We get dragon boats practising on our bit of the Swan at certain times of the year when they have their events coming up. And there is some small sense of smug superiority to be had from gliding silently up behind them in a single and effortlessly rowing past at a rating of about 15 while they are puffing their guts and twisting their backs and splashing away at about 4 times that rating. But Thailand is beautiful, the food is magnificent, and those Royal Barges in the pictures are truly a sight to behold. Just avoid Pattaya and the Patpong Road .......unless that sort of thing happens to be your taste. |
| 21 Oct 2004 17:10:15 |
| Tim Wise |
| Re: If you thought rowing in 8x was difficult.... |
Tristán White <Tristan_White@rocketmail.com > wrote in message news:<rsnfn0501vs4ufcoe0jvj21mjj768rkn1b@4ax.com>... > I was watching some sports programme last night on Sky and they showed > rowing in Thailand. > > Never seen anything like it! Some boats had 45 rowers!!! And all in a > line (not side-by-side). > > Done a web-search this morning, all I found was > http://www.bigsnakeguesthouse.com/surround/surroundings.html > > The coordination for something like that must be unbelievably hard! At the risk of being pedantic, snake/dragon boats which exist in many forms through Asia (an probably the rest of the world), although very impressive, are paddled not rowed. However there are Samoan Longboats which often have in excess of 40 rowers (2 rows) some complete with Croker carbon oars. The Finn and Swedish churchboats are quite a bit smaller but I like the way they think. Tim |
| 22 Oct 2004 03:41:13 |
| Dave Henderson |
| Re: If you thought rowing in 8x was difficult.... |
Not all paddling is heathen and unnatural... http://www.werbecky.com/August2002/racingwargrave007.jpg Dave H |
| 22 Oct 2004 05:46:02 |
| PJ |
| Re: If you thought rowing in 8x was difficult.... |
Tristán White <Tristan_White@rocketmail.com > wrote in message news:<rsnfn0501vs4ufcoe0jvj21mjj768rkn1b@4ax.com>... > > The coordination for something like that must be unbelievably hard! The 8x may be tricky, but what about the 24x? http://usmtaviron.free.fr/photoperreux2003.htm PJ |
| 22 Oct 2004 14:51:19 |
| Ewoud Dronkert |
| Re: If you thought rowing in 8x was difficult.... |
On 22 Oct 2004 05:46:02 -0700, PJ wrote: > The 8x may be tricky, but what about the 24x? > http://usmtaviron.free.fr/Images/perreux2003/DSC00074.jpg Cox: "You're late! Number... erm.., wait a minute... 11,12,.. yes, 18!" -- Firefox Web Browser - Rediscover the web - http://www.getffox.com/ Thunderbird E-mail and Newsgroups - http://www.gettbird.com/ |
| 22 Oct 2004 13:56:13 |
| Carl Douglas |
| Re: If you thought rowing in 8x was difficult.... |
Tim Wise <tjw@chw.net.au > writes >Tristán White <Tristan_White@rocketmail.com> wrote >> I was watching some sports programme last night on Sky and they showed >> rowing in Thailand. >> >> Never seen anything like it! Some boats had 45 rowers!!! And all in a >> line (not side-by-side). >> >> Done a web-search this morning, all I found was >> http://www.bigsnakeguesthouse.com/surround/surroundings.html >> >> The coordination for something like that must be unbelievably hard! > >At the risk of being pedantic, snake/dragon boats which exist in many >forms through Asia (an probably the rest of the world), although very >impressive, are paddled not rowed. > >However there are Samoan Longboats which often have in excess of 40 >rowers (2 rows) some complete with Croker carbon oars. The Finn and >Swedish churchboats >are quite a bit smaller but I like the way they think. > >Tim And then there's Leg Rowing: http://www.terragalleria.com/theravada/myanmar/inle/picture.myan4782.html In this case in that benighted land, once the flower of E Asia & once known as Burma, but now under brutal dictatorship with its real, elected Prime Minister under perpetual arrest & its unelected "Prime Minister" just sacked by it unelected Generals. Just thought I'd mention all that off-topic stuff, because FISA saw fit a few years ago to soil its reputation by involving itself there. Not many cheers - Carl -- Carl Douglas Racing Shells - Fine Small-Boats/AeRoWing low-drag Riggers/Advanced Accessories Write: The Boathouse, Timsway, Chertsey Lane, Staines TW18 3JY, UK Email: carl@carldouglas.co.uk Tel: +44(0)1784-456344 Fax: -466550 URLs: www.carldouglas.co.uk (boats) & www.aerowing.co.uk (riggers) |
| 22 Oct 2004 14:51:13 |
| Tristán White |
| Re: If you thought rowing in 8x was difficult.... |
On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 20:10:32 +0100, mike t <mike.taylor.removethis@rowing.org.uk > wrote: >if you want to laugh at a sweaty bloke in a huuuuge boat in Kerala: >http://www.photobox.co.uk/album/album_fullsize.html?c_photo=7638823 <SNIP > I just got this. I think it's for members only. You are not logged in... This page has been displayed because you do not appear to be logged in to our service. This may have happened for one of the following reasons: You have not yet logged in. If not, you can log in using the boxes on the right of this page. You need to clear your existing PhotoBox cookies... Click here to clear cookies now Your browser is not returning our cookies. If you are using Internet Explorer, go to the Tools menu, then Internet Options. Now select the Security tab and make sure you have security set to "medium". You should also check that the Privacy tab settings are on "medium". You have some security software or a popup ad blocker that is interfering with cookies from our website. |
| 22 Oct 2004 23:24:46 |
| Henry Law |
| Re: If you thought rowing in 8x was difficult.... |
On 22 Oct 2004 05:46:02 -0700, lilac46@hotmail.com (PJ) wrote: >Tristán White <Tristan_White@rocketmail.com> wrote in message news:<rsnfn0501vs4ufcoe0jvj21mjj768rkn1b@4ax.com>... >> >> The coordination for something like that must be unbelievably hard! > >The 8x may be tricky, but what about the 24x? >http://usmtaviron.free.fr/photoperreux2003.htm http://usmtaviron.free.fr/Images/perreux2003/DSC00074.jpg Slight difference of opinion over the appropriate time to square ... http://usmtaviron.free.fr/Images/perreux2003/DSC00077.jpg They're all out of time except stroke ... [Don't misunderstand me: I think this was a wonderful idea of Stämpfli's and it must be extremely hard to row] Henry Law < >< Manchester, England |
| 23 Oct 2004 12:06:16 |
| Henning Lippke |
| Re: If you thought rowing in 8x was difficult.... |
Henry Law schrieb: > [Don't misunderstand me: I think this was a wonderful idea of > Stämpfli's and it must be extremely hard to row] From what I've heard, it's actually not THAT hard, because the moving mass keeps you in phase... so the spectators were very impressed that the Stämpfli Express was racing down the 400m Speedrows course in Hamburg in a very beautiful manner... just with a random crew. Others reported that due to the bending of the boat (it is desingned to bend, to those who haven't seen it from the near yet), there's always more pressure on one side at the bow and stern seats. But indeed a great idea by Stämpfli and certainly raising their reputation. What about another builder assembling another one and then race them? Something like the battle of boatbuilders :-). -HL |
| 23 Oct 2004 05:06:26 |
| felipe |
| Re: If you thought rowing in 8x was difficult.... |
david.henderson@aea.be (Dave Henderson) wrote in message news:<eda7551c.0410220241.551edb70@posting.google.com >... > Not all paddling is heathen and unnatural... > > http://www.werbecky.com/August2002/racingwargrave007.jpg > > Dave H I've never seen those before; they're beautiful boats. Dongola? Know anything else about them? |
| 23 Oct 2004 17:49:39 |
| Matti Sankinen |
| Re: If you thought rowing in 8x was difficult.... |
Hiya all. Finally a post somehow rowing-related from myself. It's nice to keep surprising oneself, innit? :) Tim Wise wrote: > > The Finn and Swedish churchboats > are quite a bit smaller but I like the way they think. A couple of pictures of those ones, even for Finnish/Swedish challenged. Wouldn't bother using babelfish etc, they do a terrible job (at least with Finnish...) The Swedes. The design is a little different - more elegant? 20 rowers http://www.roddsverige.nu/srny/valy.asp?adressID=417 http://www.roddsverige.nu/srny/valy.asp?adressID=464 and some history of these churchboats (alas, in Swedish): http://www.roddsverige.nu/omrodd/kyrkbat.shtm The Finns. The biggest race of them all (with a record high of 10224 persons participating in 2003), 65km's round an island in 1 to 14 rower boats. http://www.suursoudut.net Some pics from the 2002 regatta: http://www.suursoudut.net/kuvagalleria/torstai/(thursday) http://www.suursoudut.net/kuvagalleria/perjantai/(friday) http://www.suursoudut.net/kuvagalleria/lauantai/(saturday) n.b. the 2005 regatta will take place from 7th to 10th of July. Different racing categories each day. Translating help available, if needed - there's a bunch of us Finns (who even know some Swedish) lurking around. Just for curiosity's sake, or even better: if someone bold enough would like to come up here and give it a go =) > > Tim Matti S. Ultima Thule |
| 24 Oct 2004 14:26:04 |
| Adriaan |
| Re: If you thought rowing in 8x was difficult.... |
Henning Lippke wrote: > Henry Law schrieb: > >>[Don't misunderstand me: I think this was a wonderful idea of >>Stämpfli's and it must be extremely hard to row] > > > From what I've heard, it's actually not THAT hard, because the moving > mass keeps you in phase... so the spectators were very impressed that > the Stämpfli Express was racing down the 400m Speedrows course in > Hamburg in a very beautiful manner... just with a random crew. > That must have been a much better random crew than the ones I've rowed that boat in... :-) There are pictures that clearly show that there actually was no phase in our rowing at all... > Others reported that due to the bending of the boat (it is desingned to > bend, to those who haven't seen it from the near yet), there's always > more pressure on one side at the bow and stern seats. > The bending of the boat is interesting to see when the boat makes a turn. When you are near the bow position you can see the stroke. :-) The water I rowed the Stämpfli Express on is everything but straight, and even though the boat bends it wasn't easy to manouvre the boat arount the bends. Turning the boat around is like hell, it takes five minutes. -- Adriaan |
| 24 Oct 2004 19:08:53 |
| Re: If you thought rowing in 8x was difficult.... |
For what it's worth, a former US lightweight rower (early 1990s) Aly Overy went on to race successfully in dragon boats in Hong Kong... I tried dragon-boating once myself a little over a year ago. When my former rowing club in Zurich had an anniversary bash, the afternoon festivities consisted of competitions in various forms of watercraft with semi-random crews. Dragon-boating was one of the events. Quite fun, actually. CEE -- _____ =======||==================< | `---- |
| 25 Oct 2004 10:12:51 |
| Andy McKenzie |
| Re: If you thought rowing in 8x was difficult.... |
"felipe" <felipe@eudoramail.com > wrote in message news:301f6623.0410230406.13bc4617@posting.google.com... > david.henderson@aea.be (Dave Henderson) wrote in message news:<eda7551c.0410220241.551edb70@posting.google.com >... > > Not all paddling is heathen and unnatural... > > > > http://www.werbecky.com/August2002/racingwargrave007.jpg > > > > Dave H > > I've never seen those before; they're beautiful boats. Dongola? Know > anything else about them? I can't be authoritative - but we race dongolas at our summer regatta and have been doing so for a while (with a bit of a break between 1914 and 1992). http://www.goringgapbc.org.uk/history.html.A dongola, for us is just a punt - a square flat bottomed wooden (or fibreglass, sorry traditionalists!) boat that is normally propelled by a pole in a lazy manner along shallow rivers by students at Oxford or Cambridge. For dongola races the pole is replaced by paddles - we race with six paddlers, crews must be mixed, children are encouraged to take part. Because the boats are fairly square they have the directional stability of a supermarket shopping trolley, so the latest fashion is to let 5 people paddle, while the sixth steers. The 17% reduction in power is more than compensated for by a 100% reduction in likelihood of hitting the bank. At our level this is quite a physical sport - crews have been known to attempt to put their opposition off by ramming, and large amounts of splashing are part and parcel of a good race. Andy McKenzie |
| 25 Oct 2004 08:01:24 |
| Dave Henderson |
| Re: If you thought rowing in 8x was difficult.... |
I'm sure somebody more qualified than me will answer this (and there are few more qualified in this area than David Biddulph) We have a branch of the sport in England called skiff racing. Skiffs (singles and coxed doubles) are extremely wide and heavy clinker-built boats with fixed pins and fixed seats. There are about six clubs along the Thames, plus one in Cambridge I think. There's also a number of regattas. Some pix here: http://www.dittons.org.uk/pictures/champspix.shtml When I rowed on the Thames in the early-mid 1970s it was commonplace for rowers to train hard up to Henley (beginning of July) then go skiffing. One of the attractions was that in those days nearly all the Thames rowing clubs were single-sex and the skiff clubs were great places to meet girls – regattas even had events for mixed crews, and the coxes were almost always ladies. Although the sport itself is quite tough (particularly on the backside) it was much less formal than the stuffy regattas, and the Skiffing regattas always had a range of more esoteric events. There were punting races (you can see two racing punts in the background of the picture), and always dongola races, also in punts (so after quite a long story, that's what the boats in the picture are). The crews used to be made up of people knocked out in the early rounds of the regatta and had spent a little time in the beer-tent. Nowadays they are probably dongola specialists who actually train for it. The Brits now have a regatta season that goes all the way through to September (plus all the clubs are mixed now), so there is much less cross-over between the two branches of the sport. You still get the occasional big rowing name turning up in the skiffing regattas though – Elise Laverick who got a silver in Athens is a great skiff-shover. |
| 25 Oct 2004 22:37:05 |
| David Biddulph |
| Re: If you thought rowing in 8x was difficult.... |
"Dave Henderson" <david.henderson@aea.be > wrote in message news:eda7551c.0410250701.2e4372ab@posting.google.com... > I'm sure somebody more qualified than me will answer this (and there > are few more qualified in this area than David Biddulph) > > We have a branch of the sport in England called skiff racing. Skiffs > (singles and coxed doubles) are extremely wide and heavy clinker-built > boats with fixed pins and fixed seats. There are about six clubs > along the Thames, plus one in Cambridge I think. There's also a > number of regattas. Some pix here: > http://www.dittons.org.uk/pictures/champspix.shtml > > When I rowed on the Thames in the early-mid 1970s it was commonplace > for rowers to train hard up to Henley (beginning of July) then go > skiffing. One of the attractions was that in those days nearly all > the Thames rowing clubs were single-sex and the skiff clubs were great > places to meet girls - regattas even had events for mixed crews, and > the coxes were almost always ladies. > > Although the sport itself is quite tough (particularly on the > backside) it was much less formal than the stuffy regattas, and the > Skiffing regattas always had a range of more esoteric events. There > were punting races (you can see two racing punts in the background of > the picture), and always dongola races, also in punts (so after quite > a long story, that's what the boats in the picture are). The crews > used to be made up of people knocked out in the early rounds of the > regatta and had spent a little time in the beer-tent. Nowadays they > are probably dongola specialists who actually train for it. > > The Brits now have a regatta season that goes all the way through to > September (plus all the clubs are mixed now), so there is much less > cross-over between the two branches of the sport. You still get the > occasional big rowing name turning up in the skiffing regattas though > - Elise Laverick who got a silver in Athens is a great skiff-shover. You got most of it right, Dave. Various bits about skiffing at http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/david_biddulph/skiffing.htmor http://www.rowing.biddulph.btinternet.co.uk/skiffing.htm,with links onwards, including to the SRA's website at http://www.skiffing.org.uk/. A small correction to your last paragraph - it was a bronze that Elise got in Athens, rather than silver. Elise and her mother won the women's doubles in the doubles marathon at the end of the skiffing season (http://www.skiffing.org.uk/doubles_2004.htm); a few other well-known names in those results, including some who were doing well in best boats when Dave was racing, and are still going well in skiffs now. -- David Biddulph Rowing web pages at http://www.biddulph.org.uk/ and http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/david_biddulph/ |
| 26 Oct 2004 04:29:19 |
| Caroline Turnbull |
| Re: If you thought rowing in 8x was difficult.... |
"David Biddulph" <david@biddulph.org.uk > wrote in message news:<cljv6g$424$1@sparta.btinternet.com>... > "Dave Henderson" <david.henderson@aea.be> wrote in message > news:eda7551c.0410250701.2e4372ab@posting.google.com... > > I'm sure somebody more qualified than me will answer this (and there > > are few more qualified in this area than David Biddulph) > > > > We have a branch of the sport in England called skiff racing. Skiffs > > (singles and coxed doubles) are extremely wide and heavy clinker-built > > boats with fixed pins and fixed seats. There are about six clubs > > along the Thames, plus one in Cambridge I think. There's also a > > number of regattas. Some pix here: > > http://www.dittons.org.uk/pictures/champspix.shtml > > > > When I rowed on the Thames in the early-mid 1970s it was commonplace > > for rowers to train hard up to Henley (beginning of July) then go > > skiffing. One of the attractions was that in those days nearly all > > the Thames rowing clubs were single-sex and the skiff clubs were great > > places to meet girls - regattas even had events for mixed crews, and > > the coxes were almost always ladies. > > > > Although the sport itself is quite tough (particularly on the > > backside) it was much less formal than the stuffy regattas, and the > > Skiffing regattas always had a range of more esoteric events. There > > were punting races (you can see two racing punts in the background of > > the picture), and always dongola races, also in punts (so after quite > > a long story, that's what the boats in the picture are). The crews > > used to be made up of people knocked out in the early rounds of the > > regatta and had spent a little time in the beer-tent. Nowadays they > > are probably dongola specialists who actually train for it. > > > > The Brits now have a regatta season that goes all the way through to > > September (plus all the clubs are mixed now), so there is much less > > cross-over between the two branches of the sport. You still get the > > occasional big rowing name turning up in the skiffing regattas though > > - Elise Laverick who got a silver in Athens is a great skiff-shover. > > You got most of it right, Dave. > > Various bits about skiffing at > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/david_biddulph/skiffing.htmor > http://www.rowing.biddulph.btinternet.co.uk/skiffing.htm,with links > onwards, including to the SRA's website at http://www.skiffing.org.uk/. > > A small correction to your last paragraph - it was a bronze that Elise got > in Athens, rather than silver. Elise and her mother won the women's doubles > in the doubles marathon at the end of the skiffing season > (http://www.skiffing.org.uk/doubles_2004.htm); a few other well-known names > in those results, including some who were doing well in best boats when Dave > was racing, and are still going well in skiffs now. A number of seriously good oarsmen from both Weybridge and Walton meet in the middle at Thames Valley Skiff Club. I had a go a few years ago, in fact it's where I discovered touring rowing as we did a skiffing tour on the Marne and the Seine in France. I never got into the competitive side as I knew from the start that I'd never be able to beat Mrs Laverick (who's about my age but 10 times as fit!). The social side of the sport is great though. Caroline |
