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| 01 May 2008 09:33:43 |
| donal.casey@gmail.com |
| Regatta and Head entry |
In uk, regattas and heads tend to have closing date at which point everything is published. The silver skiff in turin has a long open internet list and you see people add to it day by day. One of the reasons that people have a problem with river regattas (or any) is the lack of competition that you now have. Very frustrating to enter and either have no-one to race or a straight final. Suggestion - keep a long term online list open for each event so people can see that they may or may not be racing. A river regatta would be limited to 16 entries per event. The draw for who you race could be done when the entry is full/closing date reached. Thoughts? Donal |
| 01 May 2008 10:26:59 |
| Andrew |
| Re: Regatta and Head entry |
On 1 May, 17:33, "donal.ca...@gmail.com" <donal.ca...@gmail.com > wrote: > In uk, regattas and heads tend to have closing date at which point > everything is published. > > The silver skiff in turin has a long open internet list and you see > people add to it day by day. > > One of the reasons that people have a problem with river regattas (or > any) is the lack of competition that you now have. Very frustrating to > enter and either have no-one to race or a straight final. > > Suggestion - keep a long term online list open for each event so > people can see that they may or may not be racing. A river regatta > would be limited to 16 entries per event. The draw for who you race > could be done when the entry is full/closing date reached. > > Thoughts? > > Donal The Shrewsbury regatta matchmaker did try and avoid this, with some success i gather. http://www.pengwernbc.co.uk/pages.php/index.html Although I notice it has closed, but you can still enter until Saturday! Andrew |
| 01 May 2008 20:01:13 |
| Richard Packer |
| Re: Regatta and Head entry |
On Thu, 1 May 2008 09:33:43 -0700 (PDT), "donal.casey@gmail.com" <donal.casey@gmail.com > wrote: >In uk, regattas and heads tend to have closing date at which point >everything is published. > >The silver skiff in turin has a long open internet list and you see >people add to it day by day. > >One of the reasons that people have a problem with river regattas (or >any) is the lack of competition that you now have. Very frustrating to >enter and either have no-one to race or a straight final. > >Suggestion - keep a long term online list open for each event so >people can see that they may or may not be racing. A river regatta >would be limited to 16 entries per event. The draw for who you race >could be done when the entry is full/closing date reached. > >Thoughts? > >Donal Not keen on the idea. Suppose you see a crew already entered that you don't like the look of. You then have the opportunity of either not entering (not good for the event), or picking an event you perceive to have easier opposition (not fair on the crews that have already entered - we've all seen events where, for example, the S3 winning time was faster than S2!). You could also have the "eBay" effect - no-one enters an sparesly populated event until the last minute to try and get an easy win with as few opponents as possible. I would have fewer objections to a system where you could see just the *number* of entries for an event, without seeing *who* those entries were from, and permit entries secretaries to canvass clubs to drum up support for the less well-attended events (neither of which are currently permitted under the rules, although there's nothing stopping an event having a local rule to this effect - the Shrewsbury "match-maker" has already been mentioned). Or turn the first round of every regatta into a time trial and race the first 6 as the A final (ML course) or take the fastest 4 boats and have semis and a final on a 2 lane course, etc. Then there's no point in tactically picking and choosing your event, so revealing the state of the entry is less of a problem. Of course, part of the problem of sparsely populated events is the sheer number of variations of events that can be offered - The Weybridge Silver Sculls (covering *only* 1x, 2x and one or two selected 4x+ classes) provided over 100 different permutations (I know; I had to enter every single one into OARA v1, and am now suing for RSI!). |
| 02 May 2008 07:47:41 |
| donal.casey@gmail.com |
| Re: Regatta and Head entry |
I realise these are the conventional criticisms...and of course Henley has not been without similar problems of people trying to enter the more junior events with the hope of victory. With the Silver Skiff the opposite occurs..people see that there are one two three..thirty three ...fifty three good entries and it helps build the event. I suppose it may depend on the marketing. Donal On 1 May, 20:01, Richard Packer <use...@rjSURNAME.org.yookay > wrote: > On Thu, 1 May 2008 09:33:43 -0700 (PDT), "donal.ca...@gmail.com" > > > > > > <donal.ca...@gmail.com> wrote: > >In uk, regattas and heads tend to have closing date at which point > >everything is published. > > >The silver skiff in turin has a long open internet list and you see > >people add to it day by day. > > >One of the reasons that people have a problem with river regattas (or > >any) is the lack of competition that you now have. Very frustrating to > >enter and either have no-one to race or a straight final. > > >Suggestion - keep a long term online list open for each event so > >people can see that they may or may not be racing. A river regatta > >would be limited to 16 entries per event. The draw for who you race > >could be done when the entry is full/closing date reached. > > >Thoughts? > > >Donal > > Not keen on the idea. =A0Suppose you see a crew already entered that you > don't like the look of. =A0You then have the opportunity of either not > entering (not good for the event), or picking an event you perceive to > have easier opposition (not fair on the crews that have already > entered - we've all seen events where, for example, the S3 winning > time was faster than S2!). =A0You could also have the "eBay" effect - > no-one enters an sparesly populated event until the last minute to try > and get an easy win with as few opponents as possible. > > I would have fewer objections to a system where you could see just the > *number* of entries for an event, without seeing *who* those entries > were from, and permit entries secretaries to canvass clubs to drum up > support for the less well-attended events (neither of which are > currently permitted under the rules, although there's nothing stopping > an event having a local rule to this effect - the Shrewsbury > "match-maker" has already been mentioned). > > Or turn the first round of every regatta into a time trial and race > the first 6 as the A final (ML course) or take the fastest 4 boats and > have semis and a final on a 2 lane course, etc. =A0Then there's no point > in tactically picking and choosing your event, so revealing the state > of the entry is less of a problem. > > Of course, part of the problem of sparsely populated events is the > sheer number of variations of events that can be offered - The > Weybridge Silver Sculls (covering *only* 1x, 2x and one or two > selected 4x+ classes) provided over 100 different permutations (I > know; I had to enter every single one into OARA v1, and am now suing > for RSI!).- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - |