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| 04 May 2008 21:37:30 |
| max.it |
| A stinky little umpire question |
The batsman is running, the bowler receives a throw from the deep in his left hand. He dives at the stumps and breaks the wicket with his left shoulder, the batsman has not made good his ground before the wicket is broken. Howzat? max.it |
| 05 May 2008 14:24:39 |
| Andrew Dunford |
| Re: A stinky little umpire question |
<max.it > wrote in message news:481e2c21.41741578@news.btinternet.com... > > The batsman is running, the bowler receives a throw from the deep in > his left hand. He dives at the stumps and breaks the wicket with his > left shoulder, the batsman has not made good his ground before the > wicket is broken. > > Howzat? I would ask if there was a doctor in the house, then ask his opinion of whether the shoulder is part of the arm. My instinct is to say it is not, in which case not out. At the very least, breaking the stumps with the shoulder would give me enough doubt about whether the wicket had been put down fairly that I would rule not out anyway. Andrew |
| 05 May 2008 05:44:37 |
| Robert Henderson |
| Re: A stinky little umpire question |
In message <481e2c21.41741578@news.btinternet.com >, ?@?.?.invalid writes > >The batsman is running, the bowler receives a throw from the deep in >his left hand. He dives at the stumps and breaks the wicket with his >left shoulder, the batsman has not made good his ground before the >wicket is broken. > >Howzat? > >max.it It all depends on whether the ball has to break the wicket or whether what counts is whether the wicket is broken by the hand or arm holding the ball. If it can be any part of the hand or arm, the question then is does the shoulder count as part of the arm, a difficult thing to decide because the should comprises both the top of the arm and the socket plus collar bone which is not part of the arm. RH -- Robert Henderson Blair Scandal website: http://www.geocities.com/blairscandal/ Personal website: http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk |
| 05 May 2008 03:40:54 |
| Gavin Cawley |
| Re: A stinky little umpire question |
On 5 May, 03:24, "Andrew Dunford" <adunf...@artifax.net > wrote: > <max.it> wrote in messagenews:481e2c21.41741578@news.btinternet.com... > > > The batsman is running, the bowler receives a throw from the deep in > > his left hand. He dives at the stumps and breaks the wicket with his > > left shoulder, the batsman has not made good his ground before the > > wicket is broken. > > > Howzat? > > I would ask if there was a doctor in the house, then ask his opinion of > whether the shoulder is part of the arm. My instinct is to say it is not, > in which case not out. I'm tempted to ask if it would still be out if the arm were broken, but in the interests of harmony I will refrain from doing so ;o) |
| 05 May 2008 11:52:41 |
| Dave Cornwell |
| Re: A stinky little umpire question |
<max.it > wrote in message news:481e2c21.41741578@news.btinternet.com... > > The batsman is running, the bowler receives a throw from the deep in > his left hand. He dives at the stumps and breaks the wicket with his > left shoulder, the batsman has not made good his ground before the > wicket is broken. > > Howzat? > > max.it ---------------- Not out. In the spirit of the game. Otherwise in the words of the politically incorrect song "D'em bones" all joints are inter-connected - the debate could go on for ever. Dave |
| 05 May 2008 13:17:41 |
| Rio |
| Re: A stinky little umpire question |
<max.it > wrote in message news:481e2c21.41741578@news.btinternet.com... > > The batsman is running, the bowler receives a throw from the deep in > his left hand. He dives at the stumps and breaks the wicket with his > left shoulder, the batsman has not made good his ground before the > wicket is broken. > > Howzat? > > max.it Why didn't he break the stumps with his hand? If he was diving that would have got there before the shoulder. |
| 05 May 2008 19:04:11 |
| max.it |
| Re: A stinky little umpire question |
On Mon, 5 May 2008 14:24:39 +1200, "Andrew Dunford" <adunford@artifax.net > wrote: > ><max.it> wrote in message news:481e2c21.41741578@news.btinternet.com... >> >> The batsman is running, the bowler receives a throw from the deep in >> his left hand. He dives at the stumps and breaks the wicket with his >> left shoulder, the batsman has not made good his ground before the >> wicket is broken. >> >> Howzat? > >I would ask if there was a doctor in the house, then ask his opinion of >whether the shoulder is part of the arm. My instinct is to say it is not, >in which case not out. > >At the very least, breaking the stumps with the shoulder would give me >enough doubt about whether the wicket had been put down fairly that I would >rule not out anyway. > >Andrew > The arm is from wrist to shoulder. The question was a picture and the arm was highlighted. It would be out, but if you were standing at the strikers end on a Saturday afternoon it would probably be not out due to human limitations. In a big match it would go upstairs. Everything that would go upstairs should be not out on the field. max.it |
| 06 May 2008 09:56:09 |
| Andrew Dunford |
| Re: A stinky little umpire question |
<max.it > wrote in message news:481f5901.31754828@news.btinternet.com... > On Mon, 5 May 2008 14:24:39 +1200, "Andrew Dunford" > <adunford@artifax.net> wrote: > >> >><max.it> wrote in message news:481e2c21.41741578@news.btinternet.com... >>> >>> The batsman is running, the bowler receives a throw from the deep in >>> his left hand. He dives at the stumps and breaks the wicket with his >>> left shoulder, the batsman has not made good his ground before the >>> wicket is broken. >>> >>> Howzat? >> >>I would ask if there was a doctor in the house, then ask his opinion of >>whether the shoulder is part of the arm. My instinct is to say it is not, >>in which case not out. >> >>At the very least, breaking the stumps with the shoulder would give me >>enough doubt about whether the wicket had been put down fairly that I >>would >>rule not out anyway. >> >>Andrew >> > > The arm is from wrist to shoulder. The question was a picture and the > arm was highlighted. It would be out, but if you were standing at the > strikers end on a Saturday afternoon it would probably be not out due > to human limitations. Agree. > In a big match it would go upstairs. Everything that would go upstairs > should be not out on the field. I understand what you mean, except that in reality when a TV umpire is available the on-field umpires frequently send stuff upstairs that they could easily give out themselves, for fear of being made to look silly. Andrew |
| 05 May 2008 22:41:07 |
| max.it |
| Re: A stinky little umpire question |
On Tue, 6 May 2008 09:56:09 +1200, "Andrew Dunford" <adunford@artifax.net > wrote: > ><max.it> wrote in message news:481f5901.31754828@news.btinternet.com... >> On Mon, 5 May 2008 14:24:39 +1200, "Andrew Dunford" >> <adunford@artifax.net> wrote: >> >>> >>><max.it> wrote in message news:481e2c21.41741578@news.btinternet.com... >>>> >>>> The batsman is running, the bowler receives a throw from the deep in >>>> his left hand. He dives at the stumps and breaks the wicket with his >>>> left shoulder, the batsman has not made good his ground before the >>>> wicket is broken. >>>> >>>> Howzat? >>> >>>I would ask if there was a doctor in the house, then ask his opinion of >>>whether the shoulder is part of the arm. My instinct is to say it is not, >>>in which case not out. >>> >>>At the very least, breaking the stumps with the shoulder would give me >>>enough doubt about whether the wicket had been put down fairly that I >>>would >>>rule not out anyway. >>> >>>Andrew >>> >> >> The arm is from wrist to shoulder. The question was a picture and the >> arm was highlighted. It would be out, but if you were standing at the >> strikers end on a Saturday afternoon it would probably be not out due >> to human limitations. > >Agree. > >> In a big match it would go upstairs. Everything that would go upstairs >> should be not out on the field. > >I understand what you mean, except that in reality when a TV umpire is >available the on-field umpires frequently send stuff upstairs that they >could easily give out themselves, for fear of being made to look silly. > >Andrew Stumpings can be very difficult to decide in real time, but sometimes apparent clear decisions are sent to the tv umpire Notice how umpires don't line up with the popping crease when getting into position these days. This is because they would obscure the camera. max.it |