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| 01 May 2008 15:23:01 |
| Robert Henderson |
| Cricket quiz May 2008 |
1. How many non-Englishmen did Surrey use during their 7 year Championship winning run? 2. What is the next best run of Championship wins after Surrey's 7? 3.Two England Test centurions started their county career with Surrey then moved to another county before they first played for England. Name them. 4. Which was the last county to win the Championship three years in succession? 5.. Which counties have still to win the Championship? 6. Only two of the foreigners who have played for England have scored 1,000 Test runs at an average of 40 or better. Name them. 7. When did Yorkshire first allow non-Yorkshiremen, ie, those not born in Yorkshire, to play for Yorkshire? 8. Which SA batsman played for Australia before he played for SA? 9. Who was the last white man to play for the West Indies? 10. Name the only British PM to play FC cricket. RH -- Robert Henderson Blair Scandal website: http://www.geocities.com/blairscandal/ Personal website: http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk |
| 01 May 2008 15:53:36 |
| Toby |
| Re: Cricket quiz May 2008 |
Robert Henderson wrote: > 1. How many non-Englishmen did Surrey use during their 7 year > Championship winning run? > > 2. What is the next best run of Championship wins after Surrey's 7? > > 3.Two England Test centurions started their county career with Surrey > then moved to another county before they first played for England. Name > them. > > 4. Which was the last county to win the Championship three years in > succession? > > 5.. Which counties have still to win the Championship? > > 6. Only two of the foreigners who have played for England have scored > 1,000 Test runs at an average of 40 or better. Name them. Basil D'Oliveira Tony Greig > > 7. When did Yorkshire first allow non-Yorkshiremen, ie, those not > born in Yorkshire, to play for Yorkshire? > Not sure about English cricketers, but Sachin Tendulkar was the first overseas cricketer in 1992. > 8. Which SA batsman played for Australia before he played for SA? Kepler Wessels > > 9. Who was the last white man to play for the West Indies? > > 10. Name the only British PM to play FC cricket. > > RH |
| 01 May 2008 16:28:16 |
| Brian Lawrence |
| Re: Cricket quiz May 2008 |
"Robert Henderson" <philip@anywhere.demon.co.uk > wrote: > 10. Name the only British PM to play FC cricket. Alec Douglas-Home aka Lord Dunglass. Played for Oxford U., MCC, & Middlesex. |
| 01 May 2008 18:48:41 |
| John Hall |
| Re: Cricket quiz May 2008 |
In article <8h3f9ufFJdGIFwe4@anywhere.demon.co.uk >, Robert Henderson <philip@anywhere.demon.co.uk > writes: >1. How many non-Englishmen did Surrey use during their 7 year >Championship winning run? I can't think of any, and I'm also fairly sure that had the answer not been zero you would not have asked the question. > >2. What is the next best run of Championship wins after Surrey's 7? I think that this might be Yorkshire in the 1930s under Sellars, but without checking I'm not sure of the exact number. 4? > >3.Two England Test centurions started their county career with Surrey >then moved to another county before they first played for England. >Name them. Raman Subba Row was one. He moved to Northants. I can't think of the other. > >4. Which was the last county to win the Championship three years in >succession? Middlesex circa 1980? > >5.. Which counties have still to win the Championship? Durham. Northants and Somerset. > >6. Only two of the foreigners who have played for England have scored >1,000 Test runs at an average of 40 or better. Name them. That depends on your definition of a "foreigner". I'm tempted to say Cowdrey and Dexter (both born overseas), just to annoy you. Pieterson is clearly one. Ranji certainly averaged over 40, but I'm not sure if he meets the 1000 runs criterion, so Robin Smith may be the other. > >7. When did Yorkshire first allow non-Yorkshiremen, ie, those not >born in Yorkshire, to play for Yorkshire? Lord Hawke was born in Lincolnshire, I believe, but was somehow allowed not only to play but to become the dominant force in the club. That would be sometime around the 1880s. However the repeal of the "rule" prohibiting non-Yorkshiremen from playing did not occur for another hundred years or so. > >8. Which SA batsman played for Australia before he played for SA? > >9. Who was the last white man to play for the West Indies? > >10. Name the only British PM to play FC cricket. Lord Home, aka Lord Dunglass, aka Sir Alec Douglas-Home. -- John Hall "If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end in doubts; but if he will be content to begin with doubts, he shall end in certainties." Francis Bacon (1561-1626) |
| 01 May 2008 20:07:54 |
| Andy Walker |
| Re: Cricket quiz May 2008 |
In article <l0Nv7kE5JgGIFwNl@jhall.demon.co.uk.invalid >, John Hall <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk > wrote: >In article <8h3f9ufFJdGIFwe4@anywhere.demon.co.uk>, > Robert Henderson <philip@anywhere.demon.co.uk> writes: >>1. How many non-Englishmen did Surrey use during their 7 year >>Championship winning run? >I can't think of any, and I'm also fairly sure that had the answer not >been zero you would not have asked the question. It's certainly non-zero [McMahon], but as RH refuses to reveal his allegedly clear rules on the matter, the "correct" answer may be 1 or 2 [Subba Row]. >>7. When did Yorkshire first allow non-Yorkshiremen, ie, those not >>born in Yorkshire, to play for Yorkshire? >Lord Hawke was born in Lincolnshire, I believe, but was somehow allowed >not only to play but to become the dominant force in the club. That >would be sometime around the 1880s. However the repeal of the "rule" >prohibiting non-Yorkshiremen from playing did not occur for another >hundred years or so. There was no such rule in the early days, so the more interesting question might be when they *stopped* allowing it. Lord Hawke [played for Yorks 1881 (before he was "Lord"!) to 1911] is claimed by Roy Webber [writing in the 1950s] to be the only non-Yorkshireman to play regularly, but he seems to be ignoring county matches before 1873, when the formal qualification rules were drawn up. Among the rules, incidentally are: 2. Every player [...], born in one county and residing in another, shall be free to choose, at the commencement of each season, which county he will play for [...]. 3. That a *bona fide* residence of two years be considered for the future a qualification for [...] cricketers accepting the existing qualification. The first [essentially by picking an early score-card at random -- Yorks vs Cambs, 1865] out-county player I found was T. Darnton, b [and d] Stockton-on-Tees, Co. Durham, who played for Yorks from 1864-68. I don't propose to put in the effort to see how many others there were -- I know that some of the Notts professionals "emigrated" -- or whether any were earlier. -- Andy Walker Nottingham |
| 01 May 2008 13:35:34 |
| Andrew B. |
| Re: Cricket quiz May 2008 |
On 1 May, 18:48, John Hall <nospam_no...@jhall.co.uk > wrote: > In article <8h3f9ufFJdGIF...@anywhere.demon.co.uk>, > =A0Robert Henderson <phi...@anywhere.demon.co.uk> writes: > > >2. What is the next best run of Championship wins after Surrey's 7? > > I think that this might be Yorkshire in the 1930s under Sellars, but > without checking I'm not sure of the exact number. 4? In fact, it's Yorkshire in the 20s or Yorkshire in the 30s/40s, but 4 is correct. > > > >3.Two England Test centurions started their =A0county career with Surrey > >then moved to =A0another county before they first played for England. > >Name them. > > Raman Subba Row was one. He moved to Northants. I can't think of the > other. > > > > >4. =A0Which was the last =A0county =A0to win the Championship three years= in > >succession? > > Middlesex circa 1980? Not even two in a row. In fact it's Yorkshire (1966-8). > >6. Only two of the foreigners who have played for =A0England have scored > >1,000 Test runs at an average of 40 or better. Name them. > > That depends on your definition of a "foreigner". I'm tempted to say > Cowdrey and Dexter (both born overseas), just to annoy you. Pieterson is > clearly one. Ranji certainly averaged over 40, but I'm not sure if he > meets the 1000 runs criterion, so Robin Smith may be the other. Ranji, Duleep and Subba Row all (curiously) scored between 980 and 1000. Hussain and Lamb both (briefly) had an average over 40 after scoring 1000 runs, so are both certainly valid answers (if regarded as "foreigners") to the question as stated. So, arguably, are Hick and Butcher (who both had sequences of 1000 runs averaging well over 40). Even ignoring the above (and assuming that Jardine, Strauss, Cowdrey and Dexter don't count), I'm curious to hear which two of Pietersen, R Smith, Greig and D'Oliveira are the "foreigners". |
| 01 May 2008 21:35:54 |
| John Hall |
| Re: Cricket quiz May 2008 |
In article <fvd7uq$shk$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk >, Andy Walker <anw@cuboid.uk > writes: >In article <l0Nv7kE5JgGIFwNl@jhall.demon.co.uk.invalid>, >John Hall <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> wrote: >>In article <8h3f9ufFJdGIFwe4@anywhere.demon.co.uk>, >> Robert Henderson <philip@anywhere.demon.co.uk> writes: >>>1. How many non-Englishmen did Surrey use during their 7 year >>>Championship winning run? >>I can't think of any, and I'm also fairly sure that had the answer not >>been zero you would not have asked the question. > > It's certainly non-zero [McMahon], Didn't he move to Somerset earlier than 1952? > but as RH refuses to reveal >his allegedly clear rules on the matter, the "correct" answer may be >1 or 2 [Subba Row]. Doh! Since I recognised him in my answer to a later question, I should have not overlooked him in answering this one. > >>>7. When did Yorkshire first allow non-Yorkshiremen, ie, those not >>>born in Yorkshire, to play for Yorkshire? >>Lord Hawke was born in Lincolnshire, I believe, but was somehow allowed >>not only to play but to become the dominant force in the club. That >>would be sometime around the 1880s. However the repeal of the "rule" >>prohibiting non-Yorkshiremen from playing did not occur for another >>hundred years or so. > > There was no such rule in the early days, so the more interesting >question might be when they *stopped* allowing it. Yes, I did know that if you went far enough back, some non-Yorkshiremen had appeared. <snip interesting stuff > -- John Hall "If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end in doubts; but if he will be content to begin with doubts, he shall end in certainties." Francis Bacon (1561-1626) |
| 01 May 2008 13:48:49 |
| Andrew B. |
| Re: Cricket quiz May 2008 |
On 1 May, 18:48, John Hall <nospam_no...@jhall.co.uk > wrote: > In article <8h3f9ufFJdGIF...@anywhere.demon.co.uk>, > =A0Robert Henderson <phi...@anywhere.demon.co.uk> writes: > > >1. How many non-Englishmen did Surrey use during their 7 year > >Championship winning run? > > I can't think of any, and I'm also fairly sure that had the answer not > been zero you would not have asked the question. > > > > >2. What is the next best run of Championship wins after Surrey's 7? > > I think that this might be Yorkshire in the 1930s under Sellars, but > without checking I'm not sure of the exact number. 4? Yes, but 1922-5 or 1937-46. > >4. =A0Which was the last =A0county =A0to win the Championship three years= in > >succession? > > Middlesex circa 1980? No - Yorkshire 66-8. > > > >5.. Which counties have still to win the Championship? > > Durham. Northants and Somerset. Gloucestershire only in the debated pre-1890 championships. > >6. Only two of the foreigners who have played for =A0England have scored > >1,000 Test runs at an average of 40 or better. Name them. > > That depends on your definition of a "foreigner". I'm tempted to say > Cowdrey and Dexter (both born overseas), just to annoy you. Pieterson is > clearly one. Ranji certainly averaged over 40, but I'm not sure if he > meets the 1000 runs criterion, so Robin Smith may be the other. Don't forget Greig and D'Oliveira (mentioned above). Also, Hussain and Lamb both scored 1000 test runs at an average of 40 (though their averages later declined, but that isn't ruled out by the question). |
| 01 May 2008 14:52:49 |
| Andrew B. |
| Re: Cricket quiz May 2008 |
On 1 May, 21:48, "Andrew B." <bull...@gmail.com > wrote: Sorry for posting that twice - thought Google Groups had lost it... |
| 01 May 2008 19:26:58 |
| Robert Henderson |
| Re: Cricket quiz May 2008 |
In message <8h3f9ufFJdGIFwe4@anywhere.demon.co.uk >, Robert Henderson <philip@anywhere.demon.co.uk > writes > >6. Only two of the foreigners who have played for England have scored >1,000 Test runs at an average of 40 or better. Name them. Sorry, make that four foreigners. RH -- Robert Henderson Blair Scandal website: http://www.geocities.com/blairscandal/ Personal website: http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk |
| 02 May 2008 07:32:25 |
| Toby |
| Re: Cricket quiz May 2008 |
Robert Henderson wrote: > In message <8h3f9ufFJdGIFwe4@anywhere.demon.co.uk>, Robert Henderson > <philip@anywhere.demon.co.uk> writes >> >> 6. Only two of the foreigners who have played for England have scored >> 1,000 Test runs at an average of 40 or better. Name them. > > Sorry, make that four foreigners. RH > Haha - yet again RH's questions are flawed! |
| 01 May 2008 23:43:50 |
| Tintin |
| Re: Cricket quiz May 2008 |
> 9. Who was the last white man to play for the West Indies? > Geoff Greenidge is considered as the last. Not sure why Larry Gomes isn't counted. Was he of mixed blood ? At least one of his parents was of Portuguese ancestry. |
| 02 May 2008 23:05:10 |
| Richard Dixon |
| Re: Cricket quiz May 2008 |
Toby <toby.briggs@gmail.com > wrote in news:1pCdnbjeipLkKIfVnZ2dnUVZ8vydnZ2d@giganews.com: > Robert Henderson wrote: >> In message <8h3f9ufFJdGIFwe4@anywhere.demon.co.uk>, Robert Henderson >> <philip@anywhere.demon.co.uk> writes >>> >>> 6. Only two of the foreigners who have played for England have scored >>> 1,000 Test runs at an average of 40 or better. Name them. >> >> Sorry, make that four foreigners. RH >> > > Haha - yet again RH's questions are flawed! I'm actually quite refreshed to see Robert a) correct himself and b) apologise! Hope springs eternal. Richard |