31 Aug 2005 20:17:14
Malo
Bob Long Defiant 2 in review

Bob Long Defiant 2 in review
Andrew C. Syren
Bob Long has made a huge name for himself in paintball and being
nicknamed the Godfather of Paintball, he deserves every bit of respect
given to him these days. With his initial creation of the Intimidator
Bob Long launched paintball into a world of speed and power. Having a
small understanding of how Bob Long changed the face of paintball with
the introduction of the Timmy, I can say with confidence that he has
once again, changed the face of paintball for the second time. Only
this time he has done so with a whisper.

For the rest:
http://www.paintballtimes.com



01 Sep 2005 16:26:41
John Comma Smith
Re: Bob Long Defiant 2 in review

Malo wrote:
> Bob Long Defiant 2 in review
> Andrew C. Syren
> Bob Long has made a huge name for himself in paintball and being
> nicknamed the Godfather of Paintball, he deserves every bit of respect
> given to him these days. With his initial creation of the Intimidator
> Bob Long launched paintball into a world of speed and power. Having a
> small understanding of how Bob Long changed the face of paintball with
> the introduction of the Timmy, I can say with confidence that he has
> once again, changed the face of paintball for the second time. Only
> this time he has done so with a whisper.
>
> For the rest:
> http://www.paintballtimes.com
>

I believe the godfather is Tom Kaye.


01 Sep 2005 17:33:52
Tony Sr.
Re: Bob Long Defiant 2 in review

Dave Youngblood...eron carter...bob long... tom kaye, a whole bunch of them
not to forget (brain fart) autococker man Bud Orr and other guy whose name i
also forget here in calif ...come on Doug help me...other guy uses brass
barrels famous regs and such...but no one man is the godfather ...not even
in the real sense of Godfather ;-)
"John Comma Smith" <[email protected] > wrote in message
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> Malo wrote:
> > Bob Long Defiant 2 in review
> > Andrew C. Syren
> > Bob Long has made a huge name for himself in paintball and being
> > nicknamed the Godfather of Paintball, he deserves every bit of respect
> > given to him these days. With his initial creation of the Intimidator
> > Bob Long launched paintball into a world of speed and power. Having a
> > small understanding of how Bob Long changed the face of paintball with
> > the introduction of the Timmy, I can say with confidence that he has
> > once again, changed the face of paintball for the second time. Only
> > this time he has done so with a whisper.
> >
> > For the rest:
> > http://www.paintballtimes.com
> >
>
> I believe the godfather is Tom Kaye.




01 Sep 2005 21:10:51
John Comma Smith
Re: Bob Long Defiant 2 in review

Tony Sr. wrote:
> Dave Youngblood...eron carter...bob long... tom kaye, a whole bunch of them
> not to forget (brain fart) autococker man Bud Orr and other guy whose name i
> also forget here in calif ...come on Doug help me...other guy uses brass
> barrels famous regs and such...but no one man is the godfather ...not even
> in the real sense of Godfather ;-)

I know, it was meant as a joke. Every one of the original gun people
contributed greatly to the cause, whether that contribution was good or
bad, that is another argument.


01 Sep 2005 23:41:44
Tony Sr.
Re: Bob Long Defiant 2 in review

John you were 100% right with tom kaye....he still is huge in my
eyes....some guys get a lil more lucky than others or a lil more popular but
all have done there share in paintball. Bob Long and I have had some good
times. I have played on his property many times, one hell of a nice
man...best back player i know of...
"John Comma Smith" <[email protected] > wrote in message
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> Tony Sr. wrote:
> > Dave Youngblood...eron carter...bob long... tom kaye, a whole bunch of
them
> > not to forget (brain fart) autococker man Bud Orr and other guy whose
name i
> > also forget here in calif ...come on Doug help me...other guy uses brass
> > barrels famous regs and such...but no one man is the godfather ...not
even
> > in the real sense of Godfather ;-)
>
> I know, it was meant as a joke. Every one of the original gun people
> contributed greatly to the cause, whether that contribution was good or
> bad, that is another argument.




12 Sep 2005 10:33:43
Jeb Hoge
Re: Bob Long Defiant 2 in review

This is a load of crap. Bob Long has been a big name in paintball for
a long time, sure, and I liked the guy when I met him back not long
after the Intimidators came out, but he didn't launch paintball into
anything. I don't think he even invented anything significantly
outstanding. The basic design of the Intimidator may be a success, but
its success is as much due to the power of marketing and surrounding
the same internals in a dozen different milling & anno designs.



12 Sep 2005 18:35:55
Tom Greening
Re: Bob Long Defiant 2 in review

Glen Palmer. Top of the list.

You can drop Dave "my name isn't really Youngblood" Youngblood out of there.
His biggest claim to fame was a pin striped suit that he played in that got
him noticed, and having the good fortune to get to know Jessica Sparks, and
the rest was history. Right place, right time, persistence, and a whole lot
of schmoozing got him where he is. That and having the sense to marry the
daughter of a certain industry big wig. His usefulness is being a "Name"
that people can attach to products they design.

Bob Long's biggest mistake was taking him under his wing with the Ironmen
and then having the ungrateful wretch try to steal his team right out from
under him. I'll pass on Mr. Dehaan thank you very much.


"Tony Sr." <[email protected] > wrote in message
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> Dave Youngblood...eron carter...bob long... tom kaye, a whole bunch of
them
> not to forget (brain fart) autococker man Bud Orr and other guy whose name
i
> also forget here in calif ...come on Doug help me...other guy uses brass
> barrels famous regs and such...but no one man is the godfather ...not even
> in the real sense of Godfather ;-)




12 Sep 2005 18:40:50
Tom Greening
Re: Bob Long Defiant 2 in review

I'd have to give him credit for being at the head of the custom autococker
craze. Back in the day, if you didn't have a Bob Long autococker (or Danny
Love), you didn't have crap.

I'd also have to credit him for creating what could be called the first real
Powerhouse paintball team. The original Ironmen team he cultivated made
people shake in their boots. If you weren't at the very top of your game,
and a GREAT team to boot, playing them was the fast track to getting your
ass, hat, and anything else you happened to be carrying handed to you.


"Jeb Hoge" <[email protected] > wrote in message
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> This is a load of crap. Bob Long has been a big name in paintball for
> a long time, sure, and I liked the guy when I met him back not long
> after the Intimidators came out, but he didn't launch paintball into
> anything. I don't think he even invented anything significantly
> outstanding. The basic design of the Intimidator may be a success, but
> its success is as much due to the power of marketing and surrounding
> the same internals in a dozen different milling & anno designs.
>




12 Sep 2005 13:36:29
Jeb Hoge
Re: Bob Long Defiant 2 in review

Yeah, I remember those custom Cocker days, although I think that was as
much the same power of marketing as anything. I'm trying to remember
if there was anything other than centerfeed and anno that Bob guns had
over any other built guns that were appearing at the time; I preferred
BBT and (believe it or not) the Paintball Mania Cockers that were
showing up in Memphis.

But what just annoys the crap out of me is this absurd notion that one
gun "changed the face of paintball"...if it's the case, it sure wasn't
the Intimidator.



13 Sep 2005 00:31:19
Tom Greening
Re: Bob Long Defiant 2 in review

Better keep backing up. Bob's original customer cockers didn't come with
anodized anything, unless it was black. "Custom" cockers in the beginning
days were all about adjustable regs and adjustable triggers and that's just
about as far as it went. Center feeds and those spiffy colors started to
appear a few years later. The AA's were running modified PMI III's

Fast Eddie was in the process of digesting a Knuckle Sandwich from Keith
Idema (is he still rotting in an Afghani prison somewhere? Whatever
happened with that?)

I seem to remember Mr. Love getting one of his guns pulled from a tournament
because a ref spotted a toggle switch mounted on the side. It was labeled
"Near" and "Far". Totally bogus but such was his rep with cocker tweaking
that people didn't doubt that he could have pulled something like that off,
and that was LONG before electros showed up.

There were some real tweakers back in those days. I remember a guy, I
believe his name was Dave Slane, that rigged up a fully automatic automag
that was totally pneumatic. The rate of fire could be adjusted with a
screwdriver through the side of the gripframe and all the pertinent bits and
pieces fit inside the grip. I'm fairly certain he used to hang here. Maybe
I'm getting that part messed up.

This was back when Shockers were made by PneuVenture and the AA's had to
have a literal truck load of the damn things just so they could get through
a tournament. Biggest pieces of unreliable electropneumatic crap going. I
watched Bill Gardner back his 6-door ford dually into Indian Springs' van
and then just drive away. The owner of Indian Springs saw it as well but
took it in stride as "Well, there's one more hit Billy won't call".
Priceless.

Angels were just getting ready to hit the market and were head and shoulders
above shockers in the engineering department. The prototype had a titanium
barrel with an anodized aluminum tip and was a work of art. Never made to
production for some reason. They were the most expensive paintgun going and
as soon as they came out the price of every other high end "tournament" gun
shot up to match. Hey, if an autococker COSTS as much as an Angel it has to
be just as good right?

Aw, memories. There aren't too many guys in here that have been in this
game as long as I have. A few, but not many. Don't take anything above as
a timeline as events are jumbled, like my memory, but at one time or another
in paintball history it all took place.



"Jeb Hoge" <[email protected] > wrote in message
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> Yeah, I remember those custom Cocker days, although I think that was as
> much the same power of marketing as anything. I'm trying to remember
> if there was anything other than centerfeed and anno that Bob guns had
> over any other built guns that were appearing at the time; I preferred
> BBT and (believe it or not) the Paintball Mania Cockers that were
> showing up in Memphis.
>
> But what just annoys the crap out of me is this absurd notion that one
> gun "changed the face of paintball"...if it's the case, it sure wasn't
> the Intimidator.
>